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I've split some groups up as requested in the past. Added class ranks.
the tiers for RB aren't about rankings overall but rather what I think they are capable of.

Tier 1 - Guys who could be 3 down NFL backs if they meet potential.
Tier 2 - Guys who are probably going to be splitting carries more often than not but could carry the load if they needed but wouldn't be the best for them.
Tier 3 - Short yardage guys who will get more carries than they probably should.


Going forward I will start looking into injury histories and character concerns and indicating them in my next one.
I toyed around with it this time to see how it looks/goes over. So I haven't done too much research yet.
So here is the obvious key:
= character concern
= Injury history
= Considered a leader or of good character

As always, remind me if I forgot someone. And state your case on where they should be.

Running Backs:
Tier 1
  • Giovanni Bernard, RB, UNC (rSo)
  • Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama (rJr)
  • Stepfon Taylor, RB, Stanford (Sr)
  • Dennis Johnson, RB, Arkansas (rSr)
  • Mike Gillislee, RB, Florida (Sr)
  • Christine Michael, RB, TAMU (Sr)
    Tier 2
  • Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma St (Jr)
  • Cierre Wood, RB, Notre Dame (rJr)
  • Kenjon Barner, RB, Oregon (rSr)
  • Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA (rSr)
  • Ray Graham, RB, Pitt (Sr)
  • Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson (rSr)
    Tier 3
  • Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin (Sr)
  • Laveon Bell, RB, Michigan State (Jr)

Inside Linebackers:
  1. Manti Teo, ILB, ND (Sr)
  2. Alex Ogletree, ILB, UGA (Jr)
  3. Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford (Sr)
  4. Nico Johnson, ILB, Alabama (Sr)
  5. Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU (rJr)
  6. Kevin Reddick, ILB, UNC (Sr)
  7. Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin (rJr)
  8. Max Bullough, ILB, MSU (Jr)

Outside Linebackers:
  1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, UGA (rJr)
  2. Khaseem Greene, OLB, Rutgers (rSr)
  3. CJ Mosley, OLB, Alabama (Jr)
  4. Chase Thomas, OLB, Stanford (rSr)
  5. Arthur Brown, OLB, KSU (rSr)
  6. Gerald Hodges, OLB, Penn State (Sr)
  7. Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA (Jr)
  8. Sean Porter, OLB, TAMU (Sr)

Defensive Ends
  1. Bjoern Werner, DE, FSU (Jr)
  2. Damontre Moore, DE, TAMU (Jr)
  3. Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU (rJr)
  4. Barkevious Mingo, DE, LSU (rJr)
  5. Alex Okafor, DE, Texas (Sr)
  6. Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon (rSr)
  7. John Simon, DE, OSU (Sr)
  8. Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU (Sr)
  9. Will Sutton, DE, ASU (rJr)
  10. Corey Lemonier, DE, Auburn (Jr)
  11. James Gayle, DE, VT (rJr)
  12. William Gholston, DE, MSU (Jr)
  13. Jackson Jeffcoat, DE, Texas (Jr)

Nose Tackles:
  1. Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah (Sr)
  2. Jonathan Hankins, NT, OSU (Jr)
  3. Jesse Williams, NT, Alabama (Sr)
  4. John Jenkins, NT, UGA (Sr)
  5. Kawaan Short, NT, Purdue (rSr)

Safeties:
  1. Eric Reid, S, LSU (Jr)
  2. Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas (Sr)
  3. TJ McDonald, S, USC (Sr)
  4. Matt Elam, S, Florida (Jr)
  5. Robert Lester, S, Alabama (Sr)
  6. Tony Jefferson, S, Oklahoma (Jr)
  7. Bacarri Rambo, S, UGA (rSr)
  8. Shawn Williams, S, UGA (Sr)

Offensive Tackles:
  1. Luke Joeckel, OT, TAMU (Jr)
  2. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan (rJr)
  3. Eric Fisher, OT, CMU (Sr)
  4. Jake Matthews, OT, TAMU (Jr)
  5. DJ Fluker, OT, Alabama (rJr)
  6. Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia (Sr)
  7. Dallas Thomas, OT, Tennessee (rSr)

Interior Linemen:
  1. Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama (Sr)
  2. Jonathon Cooper, OG, UNC (rSr)
  3. Barrett Jones, OL, Alabama (rSr)
  4. Larry Warford, OG, UK (Sr)
  5. Khaled Holmes, C, USC (rSr)
  6. Alvin Bailey, OL, Arkansas (rJr)
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I've split some groups up as requested in the past. Added class ranks.
the tiers for RB aren't about rankings overall but rather what I think they are capable of.

Tier 1 - Guys who could be 3 down NFL backs if they meet potential.
Tier 2 - Guys who are probably going to be splitting carries more often than not but could carry the load if they needed but wouldn't be the best for them.
Tier 3 - Short yardage guys who will get more carries than they probably should.


Going forward I will start looking into injury histories and character concerns and indicating them in my next one.
I toyed around with it this time to see how it looks/goes over. So I haven't done too much research yet.
So here is the obvious key:
= character concern
= Injury history
= Considered a leader or of good character

As always, remind me if I forgot someone. And state your case on where they should be.

Running Backs:
  1. Tier 1
  2. Giovanni Bernard, RB, UNC (rSo)
  3. Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama (rJr)
  4. Stepfon Taylor, RB, Stanford (Sr)
  5. Dennis Johnson, RB, Arkansas (rSr)
  6. Mike Gillislee, RB, Florida (Sr)
  7. Christine Michael, RB, TAMU (Sr)
    Tier 2
  8. Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma St (Jr)
  9. Cierre Wood, RB, Notre Dame (rJr)
  10. Kenjon Barner, RB, Oregon (rSr)
  11. Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA (rSr)
  12. Ray Graham, RB, Pitt (Sr)
  13. Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson (rSr)
    Tier 3
  14. Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin (Sr)
  15. Laveon Bell, RB, Michigan State (Jr)

Inside Linebackers:
  1. Manti Teo, ILB, ND (Sr)
  2. Alex Ogletree, ILB, UGA (Jr)
  3. Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford (Sr)
  4. Nico Johnson, ILB, Alabama (Sr)
  5. Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU (rJr)
  6. Kevin Reddick, ILB, UNC (Sr)
  7. Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin (rJr)
  8. Max Bullough, ILB, MSU (Jr)

Outside Linebackers:
  1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, UGA (rJr)
  2. Khaseem Greene, OLB, Rutgers (rSr)
  3. CJ Mosley, OLB, Alabama (Jr)
  4. Chase Thomas, OLB, Stanford (rSr)
  5. Arthur Brown, OLB, KSU (rSr)
  6. Gerald Hodges, OLB, Penn State (Sr)
  7. Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA (Jr)
  8. Sean Porter, OLB, TAMU (Sr)

Defensive Ends
  1. Bjoern Werner, DE, FSU (Jr)
  2. Damontre Moore, DE, TAMU (Jr)
  3. Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU (rJr)
  4. Barkevious Mingo, DE, LSU (rJr)
  5. Alex Okafor, DE, Texas (Sr)
  6. Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon (rSr)
  7. John Simon, DE, OSU (Sr)
  8. Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU (Sr)
  9. Corey Lemonier, DE, Auburn (Jr)
  10. James Gayle, DE, VT (rJr)
  11. William Gholston, DE, MSU (Jr)
  12. Jackson Jeffcoat, DE, Texas (Jr)

Nose Tackles:
  1. Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah (Sr)
  2. Jonathan Hankins, NT, OSU (Jr)
  3. Jesse Williams, NT, Alabama (Sr)
  4. John Jenkins, NT, UGA (Sr)
  5. Kawaan Short, NT, Purdue (rSr)

Safeties:
  1. Eric Reid, S, LSU (Jr)
  2. Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas (Sr)
  3. TJ McDonald, S, USC (Sr)
  4. Matt Elam, S, Florida (Jr)
  5. Robert Lester, S, Alabama (Sr)
  6. Tony Jefferson, S, Oklahoma (Jr)
  7. Bacarri Rambo, S, UGA (rSr)
  8. Shawn Williams, S, UGA (Sr)

Offensive Tackles:
  1. Luke Joeckel, OT, TAMU (Jr)
  2. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan (rJr)
  3. Eric Fisher, OT, CMU (Sr)
  4. Jake Matthews, OT, TAMU (Jr)
  5. DJ Fluker, OT, Alabama (rJr)
  6. Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia (Sr)
  7. Dallas Thomas, OT, Tennessee (rSr)

Interior Linemen:
  1. Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama (Sr)
  2. Jonathon Cooper, OG, UNC (rSr)
  3. Barrett Jones, OL, Alabama (rSr)
  4. Larry Warford, OG, UK (Sr)
  5. Khaled Holmes, C, USC (rSr)
  6. Alvin Bailey, OL, Arkansas (rJr)

If we don't resign Andre I could see us drafting someone like Fisher in the 1st Rd.
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If we don't resign Andre I could see us drafting someone like Fisher in the 1st Rd.
You could have just said that without quoting the whole post.
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Safeties:
  1. Eric Reid, S, LSU (Jr)
  2. Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas (Sr)
  3. TJ McDonald, S, USC (Sr)
  4. Matt Elam, S, Florida (Jr)
  5. Robert Lester, S, Alabama (Sr)
  6. Tony Jefferson, S, Oklahoma (Jr)
  7. Bacarri Rambo, S, UGA (rSr)
  8. Shawn Williams, S, UGA (Sr)
Elam is incredibly overrated, he is Taylor Mays 2.0 Slow in coverage and just goes for big hits.

I'd rather have Lester/Rambo over him any day of the week.
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Wow, great work Berserker.

First day this year i have really looked at the draft for next year. Lots of good RB's, SS's
and LB'ers in this draft which is exactly what we need for the future.

Early thoughts but i wouldn't mind this from what you say here in the first 3 rounds.........

1st - CJ Mosley OLB
2nd - Dion Jordan DE
I think we get another 2nd rounder for Palmer..........
2nd - Kenny Veccarro SS
3rd - Dennis Johnson RB

Like i said it is early and i could be way off though.
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Wow, great work Berserker.

First day this year i have really looked at the draft for next year. Lots of good RB's, SS's
and LB'ers in this draft which is exactly what we need for the future.

Early thoughts but i wouldn't mind this from what you say here in the first 3 rounds.........

1st - Kenny Vaccarro SS
2nd - Dennis Johnson RB
I think we get another 2nd rounder for Palmer..........
2nd - CJ Mosely OLB
3rd - Dion Jordan DE

Like i said it is early and i could be way off though.
Lil bit. DJ is a 3-4th rounder right now. Mosley and Jordan are both looked at as potential 1-2 rounders.
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Yeah Mosely and Jordan are 1st rounders and vacarro is a 2nd to 3rd right now and DJ is a 4th. one step ahead of me he is LOL
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Lil bit. DJ is a 3-4th rounder right now. Mosley and Jordan are both looked at as potential 1-2 rounders.
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Yeah Mosely and Jordan are 1st rounders and vacarro is a 2nd to 3rd right now and DJ is a 4th. one step ahead of me he is LOL


Thanks guys, with as little research as i have done i would have had to be lucky to get that close anyways.

I will edit now.
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Running Backs:
  1. Tier 1
  2. Giovanni Bernard, RB, UNC (rSo)
  3. Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama (rJr)
  4. Stepfon Taylor, RB, Stanford (Sr)
  5. Dennis Johnson, RB, Arkansas (rSr)
  6. Mike Gillislee, RB, Florida (Sr)
  7. Christine Michael, RB, TAMU (Sr)
    Tier 2
  8. Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma St (Jr)
  9. Cierre Wood, RB, Notre Dame (rJr)
  10. Kenjon Barner, RB, Oregon (rSr)
  11. Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA (rSr)
  12. Ray Graham, RB, Pitt (Sr)
  13. Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson (rSr)
    Tier 3
  14. Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin (Sr)
  15. Laveon Bell, RB, Michigan State (Jr)
I agree for the most part with everything but RB assessment. Randle, Bernard and Taylor are the only 3 that seem to be tier 1 guys. Montee Ball, I feel, is grossly underated. He and Lacey should be the top of the tier 2 backs. I know you don't like Ball's vision but you simply cant produce like he has with no supporting cast without at the least having above average vision to find what little running room is there.
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I agree for the most part with everything but RB assessment. Randle, Bernard and Taylor are the only 3 that seem to be tier 1 guys. Montee Ball, I feel, is grossly underated. He and Lacey should be the top of the tier 2 backs. I know you don't like Ball's vision but you simply cant produce like he has with no supporting cast without at the least having above average vision to find what little running room is there.
did you read the explanations?
Randle is criminally overrated right now. He is all speed.
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Elam is incredibly overrated, he is Taylor Mays 2.0 Slow in coverage and just goes for big hits.

I'd rather have Lester/Rambo over him any day of the week.
While his play does lend itself to being compared to Mays at times, he is producing at a top school and deserves some credit for that even though I have my own issues with him.
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While his play does lend itself to being compared to Mays at times, he is producing at a top school and deserves some credit for that even though I have my own issues with him.
Taylor Mays also produced at USC. 88 tackles in his senior season. 4 interceptions in 4 years. Elam has 58 tackles with 3 interceptions this year. Previous to this year he had 1 interception.

We either need a solid tackler or a playmaker. Elam has proved to be neither.
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Elam is incredibly overrated, he is Taylor Mays 2.0 Slow in coverage and just goes for big hits.

I'd rather have Lester/Rambo over him any day of the week.
Maybe take them over Elam 6 days a week, but on Sundays I'd want Elam. He is the man on the best D in the nation. Every Safety that hits hard is not Taylor Mays v2.


As to the OP, great work; although, ya gotta give my man Hodges the Good Character check mark
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Taylor Mays also produced at USC. 88 tackles in his senior season. 4 interceptions in 4 years. Elam has 58 tackles with 3 interceptions this year. Previous to this year he had 1 interception.

We either need a solid tackler or a playmaker. Elam has proved to be neither.
Elam has 4 INTs this year and 2 last year.
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did you read the explanations?
Randle is criminally overrated right now. He is all speed.
I did. We just see the RB class very differently.
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Maybe take them over Elam 6 days a week, but on Sundays I'd want Elam. He is the man on the best D in the nation. Every Safety that hits hard is not Taylor Mays v2.


As to the OP, great work; although, ya gotta give my man Hodges the Good Character check mark
Georgia, Alabama have the best defense in the nation, imo. I just don't see what you see in Elam.



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Elam has 4 INTs this year and 2 last year.
You are correct, my fault.
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did you read the explanations?
Randle is criminally overrated right now. He is all speed.
Randle probably has one of the best cut back moves of all the backs, he's a strong runner that also has the best blocking skills of the bunch. They have lined him on the wing and the slot because of his height at times. He had almost 50 catches last year. Believe me he is not overrated.
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Randle probably has one of the best cut back moves of all the backs, he's a strong runner that also has the best blocking skills of the bunch. They have lined him on the wing and the slot because of his height at times. He had almost 50 catches last year. Believe me he is not overrated.
He is not a powerful runner. He dives at players when he blocks. That wont cut it. He is a 3rd down back in the NFL. He is thin and lanky.
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Randle probably has one of the best cut back moves of all the backs, he's a strong runner that also has the best blocking skills of the bunch. They have lined him on the wing and the slot because of his height at times. He had almost 50 catches last year. Believe me he is not overrated.


Looked real good the one game i saw him in.

I need to start doing my own research instead of relying on some of my buddies opinions.

It is so damn early though i wasn't even thinking about the draft yet.
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Looked real good the one game i saw him in.

I need to start doing my own research instead of relying on some of my buddies opinions.

It is so damn early though i wasn't even thinking about the draft yet.
Randle vs Texas
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He is not a powerful runner. He dives at players when he blocks. That wont cut it. He is a 3rd down back in the NFL. He is thin and lanky.
Yes, strong runner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HseRjKKJz64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-nKmcpPfbM

Catch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlu9e0u7U0

Blocking- Look at the first 5 plays- 3 are blocking, no cut blocks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65s2n9aAc8w
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Im in the Randle should be Tier 1 RB group, I think Gio is 1, then for me Randle is 2 and Lacy is probably 3 in the rankings, not sure how a few of those guys can be considered Tier 1 then you leave out Randle.

On a side note I gotta look up your rank 1 RB, this Tier 1 guy sounds interesting.
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