Rankings

[berserkerone88]

For the last time, they weren't ranked numerically, that was just how the list was set. They are divided by how I view their skill set.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by AyyDee

Yes, strong runner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HseRjKKJz64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-nKmcpPfbM

Catch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlu9e0u7U0

Blocking- Look at the first 5 plays- 3 are blocking, no cut blocks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65s2n9aAc8w

Watch the entire game vs Texas. Turner is terrible. Absolutely awful.
He is narrow. He doesn't drive. He sprints. He is a fine option when he is a 3rd down back, change of pace type. But I would not use him between the tackles on downs 1 and 2.

[TGISunday]

Kawaan Short, NT, Purdue (rSr)

I've tried to find anything about him; what's the red flag about?

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by TGISunday

Kawaan Short, NT, Purdue (rSr)

I've tried to find anything about him; what's the red flag about?

Effort, consistency
Kawann Short

It is the phrasing of it that worries me with Short.
I understand most big guys get tired and it looks like a lack of effort, but most scout types know this and when you watch you can see the difference between tired and not giving effort.

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Effort, consistency
Kawann Short

It is the phrasing of it that worries me with Short.
I understand most big guys get tired and it looks like a lack of effort, but most scout types know this and when you watch you can see the difference between tired and not giving effort.

Short is an up and down player. I watched him a little against Eastern Michigan and I remember a couple of plays where it looked like he just stood up. Resembling a DT on a kneel play when the game is over. The issue was that it was still the first half.

However, I've also seen him just flat out own the line. Like a dominant Shaun Rogers.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Bengal Dude

Short is an up and down player. I watched him a little against Eastern Michigan and I remember a couple of plays where it looked like he just stood up. Resembling a DT on a kneel play when the game is over. The issue was that it was still the first half.

However, I've also seen him just flat out own the line. Like a dominant Shaun Rogers.

That's actually a great comp for him with their effort issues.

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

That's actually a great comp for him with their effort issues.

They do compare favorably. Short does have a knack for blocking FGs like Rogers does/did.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Bengal Dude

They do compare favorably. Short does have a knack for blocking FGs like Rogers does/did.

Yeah. Comparisons are something I want to add the next time I do rankings and I will for sure have to bookmark that one.

[TGISunday]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Effort, consistency
Kawann Short

It is the phrasing of it that worries me with Short.
I understand most big guys get tired and it looks like a lack of effort, but most scout types know this and when you watch you can see the difference between tired and not giving effort.

That's too bad. I really like the kid. He doesn't seem like a bad seed or lazy due to attitude. I bet he needs to be in an NFL locker room with players and coaches pushing him to be his best. I think he was head-and-shoulders the best talent on those defenses, spare Ryan Kerrigan.

Not that we'd draft him, anyway. I wanted him last year before he decided to stay last minute.

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by TGISunday

That's too bad. I really like the kid. He doesn't seem like a bad seed or lazy due to attitude. I bet he needs to be in an NFL locker room with players and coaches pushing him to be his best. I think he was head-and-shoulders the best talent on those defenses, spare Ryan Kerrigan.

Not that we'd draft him, anyway. I wanted him last year before he decided to stay last minute.

I believe us drafting him depends on how the coaches feel about Thompson.

I believe his effort questions are more about physique because was voted a team captain by his teammates.

[Lolli]

Nice work. I think most of us underestimate the importance of a college player also being a team captain.

Additionally, the team should avoid real character concerns like the plague in the 1st two rounds. I do not consider some of the NCAA restricitons to be real character concerns. Trading a signed hat for a tatoo is a silly sanction in my book. Especially while the NCAA is making multi-millions of dollars off of these athletes.

[eliminate08]

Originally Posted by Bengal Dude

Short is an up and down player. I watched him a little against Eastern Michigan and I remember a couple of plays where it looked like he just stood up. Resembling a DT on a kneel play when the game is over. The issue was that it was still the first half.

However, I've also seen him just flat out own the line. Like a dominant Shaun Rogers.

If we did draft him, he would be in a rotation anyways. Keep him fresh. Peko has not impressed me too much this year.

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by eliminate08

If we did draft him, he would be in a rotation anyways. Keep him fresh. Peko has not impressed me too much this year.

Like I've said, I believe us drafting another NT comes down to how the coaches feel about Thompson. If they feel that he's our future after Peko is done, then I don't see us taking one unless its pure BPA.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Bengal Dude

Like I've said, I believe us drafting another NT comes down to how the coaches feel about Thompson. If they feel that he's our future after Peko is done, then I don't see us taking one unless its pure BPA.

Agreed. When we were staring a top 10 pick down, I was huge on Star Lotulelei if he were available with our pick. Now, I probably wouldn't take one unless someone like Jesse Williams falls to us in the 2nd.

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Agreed. When we were staring a top 10 pick down, I was huge on Star Lotulelei if he were available with our pick. Now, I probably wouldn't take one unless someone like Jesse Williams falls to us in the 2nd.

What's your opinion of John Jenkins, the big SOB from Georgia? His weight scares me, but I read that his roommate is Jarvis Jones. Seems like they would have to go workout together.

[Burma]

Originally Posted by Bengal Dude

What's your opinion of John Jenkins, the big SOB from Georgia? His weight scares me, but I read that his roommate is Jarvis Jones. Seems like they would have to go workout together.

He plays like a guy 60lbs lighter than he is. For being 350 lbs+ he lacks the ability to anchor against the run and eat double teams. He seems like a guy who got by in football by always being the biggest and never had to really muck it up. His match up this week against Barrett Jones should be very intereating.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Bengal Dude

What's your opinion of John Jenkins, the big SOB from Georgia? His weight scares me, but I read that his roommate is Jarvis Jones. Seems like they would have to go workout together.

One play he reminds me of Vince Wilfork the next I saw him get beat 1 on 1.

vs. Auburn

:26 gets beat 1 on 1
:57 blown up by double team
1:05 beat 1 on 1
2:14 beat 1 on 1
2:30 beat 1 on 1
3:31 beat 1 on 1
3:44 beat 1 on 1

doesnt seem like a lot when it is 5:30 of cut up but at the same time a man his size should almost never lose a battle 1 on 1. A lot of that came on passing plays. Which makes me lean toward him being a 3-4 NT only.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Burma

He plays like a guy 60lbs lighter than he is. For being 350 lbs+ he lacks the ability to anchor. against the run and eat double teams. He seems like a guy who got by in football by always being the biggest and never had to really muck it up. His match up this week against Barrett Jones should be very intereating.

I would agree with this entirely.
He can anchor, he does but not nearly as often as he should. He should require the double team every play and should never move backwards.

He is a strict 3-4 NT IMO and will succeed there with the right coaching.

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

I would agree with this entirely.
He can anchor, he does but not nearly as often as he should. He should require the double team every play and should never move backwards.

He is a strict 3-4 NT IMO and will succeed there with the right coaching.

Well that makes sense. I've seen mocked to Pittsburgh a lot lately. I've also seen him linked to New England to eventually replace Wilfork.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Bengal Dude

Well that makes sense. I've seen mocked to Pittsburgh a lot lately. I've also seen him linked to New England to eventually replace Wilfork.

It would certainly make sense but with NE running more base 4-3 looks, I wouldn't be shocked if they looked for more of a UT type

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by Orange and Black Attack

Georgia, Alabama have the best defense in the nation, imo.

You were saying?

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by bfine32

You were saying?

One game?

[Orange and Black Attack]

Originally Posted by bfine32

You were saying?

Still the best two defenses in the nation.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

One game?

Nope, not 1 game. I'm a UK fan and we suked all season; however, we ran all over UGA. South Carolina ran all over UGA, Tennessee was terrible and they put up almost 500 yards against UGA

Originally Posted by Orange and Black Attack

Still the best two defenses in the nation.

For real? Over 900 total yards in this game.

[Orange and Black Attack]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Nope, not 1 game. I'm a UK fan and we suked all season; however, we ran all over UGA. South Carolina ran all over UGA, Tennessee was terrible and they put up almost 500 yards against UGA


For real? Over 900 total yards in this game.

They exploited each others weakness, it's simple. Who do you think has the best defense?