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Old 12-03-2012, 08:51 AM
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Default When did Dalton start wussing out?

Last season vs. Jacksonville, Dalton threw an INT, but then prevented a TD with a fantastic upending tackle at about the 5 yard line. Jax ends up settling for a FG, and it could have been the difference in the game.
(There's a thread about it, here.... http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=87861)

Yesterday, after throwing the first pick, he basically sprints to the sideline and makes NO ATTEMPT to tackle! WTF!?

One of the things that I admired about Dalton from the very beginning was the grit and fire in his demeanor and his play... I hope he's not starting to lose that.

I don't want him to become another Carson Palmer or Mark Sanchez!
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I don't call it wimping out. I called it the Bruce Gradkowski effect. Yes he avoided the play but in that situation I do not want my franchise QB messing anything up. We go nowhere without Dalton.

I am sure he is being told by the coaches too.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:55 AM
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I'll take giving up 4 points over a broken QB any day. Andy's basically the smallest guy on the field, and guys will take a cheap shot on him whenever they can. He doesn't need to get taken out, he's worth more than 4 points and a win for the rest of the season.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:58 AM
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I expected those types of replies...

What about just diving at the guys ankles, or giving him a shove toward the sideline?

ANYTHING?
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I expected those types of replies...

What about just diving at the guys ankles, or giving him a shove toward the sideline?

ANYTHING?
Again, why risk the injury?
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I expected those types of replies...

What about just diving at the guys ankles, or giving him a shove toward the sideline?

ANYTHING?
Trust me I know what your saying. People used to bash Palmer on here all the time for his efforts. Bottom Line is this league is primarily driven by the QB. This Bengals team is no excpetion. We go only as far as Dalton will go. Even if he tries to go at his ankles the worst can still happen. IMO I have no issue with taking yourself out of the play.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:01 AM
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Again, why risk the injury?
If you're going to use that response, then I will argue that he risked injury just by sprinting toward the guy with the ball... WHY? BLIND HEADHUNTER BLOCKS!

He could have gotten himself creamed, anyway, so why run all that way and at least not make an attempt? By that point, even a "half-hearted" attempt would have been better than nothing.
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Last season vs. Jacksonville, Dalton threw an INT, but then prevented a TD with a fantastic upending tackle at about the 5 yard line. Jax ends up settling for a FG, and it could have been the difference in the game.
(There's a thread about it, here.... http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=87861)

Yesterday, after throwing the first pick, he basically sprints to the sideline and makes NO ATTEMPT to tackle! WTF!?

One of the things that I admired about Dalton from the very beginning was the grit and fire in his demeanor and his play... I hope he's not starting to lose that.

I don't want him to become another Carson Palmer or Mark Sanchez!

don't worry, he'll never be as bad as sanchez

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Old 12-03-2012, 09:13 AM
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Lol seriously ? Im more than ok with him not risking an injury on that play. We still won Didn't we? Not too many wussies qbs dive head first into the endzone.
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If you're going to use that response, then I will argue that he risked injury just by sprinting toward the guy with the ball... WHY? BLIND HEADHUNTER BLOCKS!

He could have gotten himself creamed, anyway, so why run all that way and at least not make an attempt? By that point, even a "half-hearted" attempt would have been better than nothing.
Your story is changing a little bit here. Did he "sprint toward the guy with the ball" or did he "basically just run to the sideline"? "Sprinting toward the guy with the ball" sounds a helluva lot like a "half-hearted" attempt to me. Even so, just answer these questions:

Is Dalton's presence at QB through the rest of the game worth more than 4 points?
Is Dalton's presence at QB through the rest of the season worth more than 1 win?

The answer to both is yes, so he needs to get out of harm's way whenever he can.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:28 AM
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Lol seriously ? Im more than ok with him not risking an injury on that play. We still won Didn't we? Not too many wussies qbs dive head first into the endzone.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:29 AM
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Your story is changing a little bit here. Did he "sprint toward the guy with the ball" or did he "basically just run to the sideline"? "Sprinting toward the guy with the ball" sounds a helluva lot like a "half-hearted" attempt to me. Even so, just answer these questions:

Is Dalton's presence at QB through the rest of the game worth more than 4 points?
Is Dalton's presence at QB through the rest of the season worth more than 1 win?

The answer to both is yes, so he needs to get out of harm's way whenever he can.
He basically just sprinted in the general direction of the guy with the ball.
If he wanted to truly play it safe, he should have just stood there.

Instead, he basically did the worst things possible... put himself in harms way, and not even attempting a tackle while doing so.
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Coaches tell QB's not to try and tackle the guys. He may have ran at the guy to try and direct him out of bounds, but was never going to hit him. Defensive guys have tried to take QBs out before during INT returns basically they are the ball carrier so they can deliver as much damage to whomever they want penalty free. It was the right call by Dalton, but I would have preferred him stay further away because he could have gotten cracked back on.
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I think more effort would have been given if he wasn't more than 25 yards away from the skirmish...
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Last season vs. Jacksonville, Dalton threw an INT, but then prevented a TD with a fantastic upending tackle at about the 5 yard line. Jax ends up settling for a FG, and it could have been the difference in the game.
(There's a thread about it, here.... http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=87861)

Yesterday, after throwing the first pick, he basically sprints to the sideline and makes NO ATTEMPT to tackle! WTF!?

One of the things that I admired about Dalton from the very beginning was the grit and fire in his demeanor and his play... I hope he's not starting to lose that.

I don't want him to become another Carson Palmer or Mark Sanchez!
Actually he would not of been able to make the tackle. I watched the replay because I originally thought he should of made the tackle, but there was actually a defender between him and the the guy with the ball. So basically he went out of bounds instead of taking on the blocker.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:41 AM
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Let's ask Tarvaris Jackson...

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Old 12-03-2012, 09:51 AM
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i noticed it too, it was early in the game. i'm thinking in the 4th q with the game on the line dalton at least attempts the tackle. he got hurt trying to recover that fumble that ended with the ref in the bottom of the pile last year. i'm sure someone said something to him. that tackle in the jax game was a beauty.
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Yeah he had a good angle on the guy and looked like he was free of any blockers. I see that too, and was pretty ****** off. Always try to prevent them from getting 7 no matter what!'n
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i noticed it too, it was early in the game. i'm thinking in the 4th q with the game on the line dalton at least attempts the tackle. he got hurt trying to recover that fumble that ended with the ref in the bottom of the pile last year. i'm sure someone said something to him. that tackle in the jax game was a beauty.
I can live with this explanation.
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Yeah he had a good angle on the guy and looked like he was free of any blockers. I see that too, and was pretty ****** off. Always try to prevent them from getting 7 no matter what!'n
Hmmm....no.
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It's called protecting your investment.
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Maybe ask Jay Cutler and the Chicago Bears, too. Cutler didn't exactly try to knock the guy out, he really just brushed by him and it cost the Bears the season.

The other 10 guys on the field need to do more to prevent the pick six (I know he was behind the play, but you can't tell AJ Green tried at all to prevent the TD).

I'm not about to label Dalton a wuss when he goes head first for the go-ahead TD.
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I expected those types of replies...

What about just diving at the guys ankles, or giving him a shove toward the sideline?

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Lol seriously ? Im more than ok with him not risking an injury on that play. We still won Didn't we? Not too many wussies qbs dive head first into the endzone.
QB diving at the guys ankles making an important tackle from a turnover!!!




QB diving into endzone for a touchdown.



What say you???


Note: Yeah, yeah we know he really never made it in.
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I still kinda want the "fearless" Dalton back!
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If you're going to use that response, then I will argue that he risked injury just by sprinting toward the guy with the ball... WHY? BLIND HEADHUNTER BLOCKS!

He could have gotten himself creamed, anyway, so why run all that way and at least not make an attempt? By that point, even a "half-hearted" attempt would have been better than nothing.
HAHA he did.

I have no problem with what he did.
He ran toward the play and tried to make the guy change course.
Manning/Brady/Brees are not making that tackle bro.
Hell I doubt those 3 even truly pursue

I agree with what Andy did.
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