When did Dalton start wussing out?

[Helldog]

Originally Posted by BengalYankee

QB making an important tackle from a turnover!!!




QB diving into endzone for a touchdown.



What say you???


Note: Yeah, yeah we know he really never made it in.

Marvin Lewis shucks

[BabaBoey31]

You are insane. Risk a QB for a possible 4 pts? Just stupid. I would rather see him run the other way and avoid anything to do with the play. You know a def is going to head hunt a QB.

2 mistakes don't make a right.

[Shady]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

If you're going to use that response, then I will argue that he risked injury just by sprinting toward the guy with the ball... WHY? BLIND HEADHUNTER BLOCKS!

He could have gotten himself creamed, anyway, so why run all that way and at least not make an attempt? By that point, even a "half-hearted" attempt would have been better than nothing.

He dove into the end zone for the winning score. I'm not worried about his heart.

[bradfritz21]

It's because, and I forget what game it was, after an interception yesterday, a quarterback was looking back, trying to get into a position to make the tackle, and the defender just blind-sided him and I think it put him out of the game (at least temporarily).

I'd rather give up a pick 6 (which is unlikely), than I would losing our quarterback for any time.

[McC]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

I still kinda want the "fearless" Dalton back!

Fearless is one thing. Foolish is another. Live to fight another day.

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Last season vs. Jacksonville, Dalton threw an INT, but then prevented a TD with a fantastic upending tackle at about the 5 yard line. Jax ends up settling for a FG, and it could have been the difference in the game.
(There's a thread about it, here.... http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=87861)
Yesterday, after throwing the first pick, he basically sprints to the sideline and makes NO ATTEMPT to tackle! WTF!?
One of the things that I admired about Dalton from the very beginning was the grit and fire in his demeanor and his play... I hope he's not starting to lose that.
I don't want him to become another Carson Palmer or Mark Sanchez!

Grit & fire from a QB in this Era? Lol. QBs are treated like "Prey OUT of season" on the field.
IMHO there's only a few "genuinely tough" QBs around and the rest are tough by image only.The rules protecting QB's encourages and somtimes rewards them for being soft. Example: when they slide before being tackled they get a pass.
I don't expect most QBs to tackle because it's hard to go from prey to predator, She-rah to He-rah in a split second.

[henrizzle]

Ask Bears fans about this. Cutler just barely touched a guy, then bam, he's out for the rest of the season and their season's over.

[BengalB]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Last season vs. Jacksonville, Dalton threw an INT, but then prevented a TD with a fantastic upending tackle at about the 5 yard line. Jax ends up settling for a FG, and it could have been the difference in the game.
(There's a thread about it, here.... http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=87861)

Yesterday, after throwing the first pick, he basically sprints to the sideline and makes NO ATTEMPT to tackle! WTF!?

One of the things that I admired about Dalton from the very beginning was the grit and fire in his demeanor and his play... I hope he's not starting to lose that.

I don't want him to become another Carson Palmer or Mark Sanchez!

If he takes on the blocker, or tries to tackle the dude with the ball, he very well could become another CP9. CP9 after the knee injury...

Better for him to "play it safe" rather than get hurt doing something "brave".

It was an ugly win, but a win all the same. Lots for them to learn from that game yesterday. I think it's good for them and they'll realize they gotta work and fight, not just rest on their laurels (so to speak).

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

Grit & fire from a QB in this Era? Lol.

So are you saying Dalton has none?

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

I expected those types of replies...

What about just diving at the guys ankles, or giving him a shove toward the sideline?

ANYTHING?

Heres the Thing he has 2 Options

1. Make sure hes healthy so he can come back make up for his mistake and lead us to victory.

or

2. Do everything possible to make the tackle. Possibly get hurt and watch the playoffs slip away..

right now with so much on the line like breaking a 30 year streak etc Id prefer him to stay healthy.

[Bengalzona]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Last season vs. Jacksonville, Dalton threw an INT, but then prevented a TD with a fantastic upending tackle at about the 5 yard line. Jax ends up settling for a FG, and it could have been the difference in the game.
(There's a thread about it, here.... http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=87861)

Yesterday, after throwing the first pick, he basically sprints to the sideline and makes NO ATTEMPT to tackle! WTF!?

One of the things that I admired about Dalton from the very beginning was the grit and fire in his demeanor and his play... I hope he's not starting to lose that.

I don't want him to become another Carson Palmer or Mark Sanchez!

I noticed that too. I don't think he is wussing out. I think he has been instructed not to by all the coaches and perhaps even the franchise. I can't say they are necessarily wrong. He and AJ are the great hopes of our offense. We can't afford to lose him to an injury.

[BengalDawg]

Originally Posted by bradfritz21

It's because, and I forget what game it was, after an interception yesterday, a quarterback was looking back, trying to get into a position to make the tackle, and the defender just blind-sided him and I think it put him out of the game (at least temporarily).

I'd rather give up a pick 6 (which is unlikely), than I would losing our quarterback for any time.

See aaron murray vs alabama. No attempt to stop the play and he got creamed

[Tommy Casanova 72-77]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

He basically just sprinted in the general direction of the guy with the ball.
If he wanted to truly play it safe, he should have just stood there.

Instead, he basically did the worst things possible... put himself in harms way, and not even attempting a tackle while doing so.

Well to be fair.... he did f...art in his general direction.

[Helldog]

Originally Posted by Tommy Casanova 72-77

Well to be fair.... he did f...art in his general direction.

Must of been an air biscuit as it didn't do much damage.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Last season vs. Jacksonville, Dalton threw an INT, but then prevented a TD with a fantastic upending tackle at about the 5 yard line. Jax ends up settling for a FG, and it could have been the difference in the game.
(There's a thread about it, here.... http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=87861)

Yesterday, after throwing the first pick, he basically sprints to the sideline and makes NO ATTEMPT to tackle! WTF!?

One of the things that I admired about Dalton from the very beginning was the grit and fire in his demeanor and his play... I hope he's not starting to lose that.

I don't want him to become another Carson Palmer or Mark Sanchez!

Seriously dude go away. That is seriously what you want to come in and start a thread about? I would prefer my franchise QB not to try and tackle a LB. Just shows that even when winning they will never be happy.

What would have been really cool would be for him to show how gritty he is and hit the guy as hard as he can and break his collarbone or seriously injure his throwing shoulder. See now that would be awesome wouldn't it? And while we are losing without him we could talk about how gritty he is as a player.

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Seriously dude go away. That is seriously what you want to come in and start a thread about? I would prefer my franchise QB not to try and tackle a LB. Just shows that even when winning they will never be happy.

What would have been really cool would be for him to show how gritty he is and hit the guy as hard as he can and break his collarbone or seriously injure his throwing shoulder. See now that would be awesome wouldn't it? And while we are losing without him we could talk about how gritty he is as a player.

If it was the 4th quarter in a close game? YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I'd want him to at least ATTEMPT to make a tackle.

Given that it was only the 2nd quarter, and the TD only put them up by 4... I'm more inclined to give him a pass, in retrospect.

Sorry, I want a football player at the QB position, not a wuss.

Besides, Dalton made up for it with the TD dive late in the 4th quarter... I still love the guy (wear HIS jersey on Sundays)... I just don't want him to change.

[Ron Mexico]

In the gameday thread, everyone was complaining about this exact same thing. Now in here, everyone is backing him up.

My opinion: Finish the play. Don't make excuses like "garble garble garble injury". The guy risks injury every single time that he drops back for a pass. Making a tackle when you have the ability and chance to do so is what you're supposed to do in football. A tackle there could have very well stopped them from getting the TD, and with how close it came in the end....I'll take those extra four points all day, every day.

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

So are you saying Dalton has none?

I was saying (Without mentioning names) in general "Most QBs today are tough in image only."

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by Ron Mexico

In the gameday thread, everyone was complaining about this exact same thing. Now in here, everyone is backing him up.

My opinion: Finish the play. Don't make excuses like "garble garble garble injury". The guy risks injury every single time that he drops back for a pass. Making a tackle when you have the ability and chance to do so is what you're supposed to do in football. A tackle there could have very well stopped them from getting the TD, and with how close it came in the end....I'll take those extra four points all day, every day.

TOTALLY AGREE! Thank you!

[caddie]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

I expected those types of replies...

What about just diving at the guys ankles, or giving him a shove toward the sideline?

ANYTHING?

I don't want Dalton having any part of Demorrio Williams with a full head of steam and his eye on the endzone.

[Berby6056]

Originally Posted by BengalYankee

QB diving at the guys ankles making an important tackle from a turnover!!!




QB diving into endzone for a touchdown.



What say you???


Note: Yeah, yeah we know he really never made it in.

6-5, 241 lbs vs 6-2 220 lbs. Roethlisberger is bigger than many defenders and even considering that, look how often he is injured and misses games.

[DelawareBengal]

I invite any of the Dalton doubters to stand in the pocket with him during an NFL game (or take his place) and find out how much of a wuss he is.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

If it was the 4th quarter in a close game? YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I'd want him to at least ATTEMPT to make a tackle.

Given that it was only the 2nd quarter, and the TD only put them up by 4... I'm more inclined to give him a pass, in retrospect.

Sorry, I want a football player at the QB position, not a wuss.

Besides, Dalton made up for it with the TD dive late in the 4th quarter... I still love the guy (wear HIS jersey on Sundays)... I just don't want him to change.

Love you see you stand infront of him and call him a wuss. Nothing like seeing someone beaten like a reheaded step child by a redhead.

[IllWill]

Originally Posted by Bengalzona

I noticed that too. I don't think he is wussing out. I think he has been instructed not to by all the coaches and perhaps even the franchise. I can't say they are necessarily wrong. He and AJ are the great hopes of our offense. We can't afford to lose him to an injury.

I agree with this. Coaches teach their QB to manage the game. On an interception ya gotta look at two things: The clock and the score. If there's enough time to make the points up, you better believe the QB won't risk getting his butt handed to him by a defender with a clear shot. (BTW, am I the only one who thinks Dalton put that ball a bit high for Jones?)

[bradfritz21]

Originally Posted by BengalDawg

See aaron murray vs alabama. No attempt to stop the play and he got creamed

Actually, that was the game I was thinking of........... good call