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Old 12-03-2012, 06:40 PM
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Post SEC championship mock

After watching the insane amount of talent in the SEC championship game I must admit I am a bit smitten with many of the players. I will attempt to temper my enthusiam, but this draft is heavily popualted by players fromt that game. I make no apologies for this.

Assumptions:
1. We resign MJ, Andre, Pacman, Hawkins,Gradkowsi, Scott
2. We sign Aaron Curry
3. We get a 5th and 6th round comp pick.
4. Ezekiel Ansah is gone at the end of rnd 1

Draft:

1. Alec Ogletre, LB, Georgia
(traded down acquired 3rd and 5th)
2. Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama
2b.Robert Woods, WR, USC
3. Bacarri Rambo, FS, Georgia
3b. Sean Porter, OLB, Texas A&M
4.Shawn Williams, SS, Georgia
5.Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU
5b.Lavar Edwards, DE, LSU
5c. Michael Williams, TE, Alabama
6.Cornelius Washington,DE/OLB,Georgia
6b.Branden Smith, CB, Georgia
6c.LaAdrian Waddle, OT,Texas Tech


Depth Chart:

Offense:
QB. Dalton, Grad
RB. Lacey, BJGE, Scott
FB. Pressley
WR. Green, Woods, Sanu, Jones, Hawkins, Whalen
TE. Gresham, Charles, Williams
LT. Whit, Collins,
LG. Boling, Wharton
C. Cook, Robinson
RG. Zeitler, Waddle
RT. Smith, Waddle

Defense:
RDE: MJ, Washington
LDE: Dunlap, Edwards
DT: Atkins, Peko, Still, Thompson
SAM: Sean Porter, Moch
MLB: Ogletree, Skuta
WLB: Burfict, Curry
CB. Hall, Kirkpatrick, Jones, Newman, Mathieu, Smith
FS.Nelson, Rambo
SS. Williams, Mays
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:01 PM
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This is a stunning draft. Obviously having 12 picks in 6 rounds is pretty cool.
I hope the 1st round goes exactly as you planned it.
Picking Lacy at 2A is where we'll need to pick him. He'd turn those 40 yard gains by BJGE into touchdowns. BJGE will remain as a great #2 RB.
I really hope Robert Woods goes to us at 2B. Picking a RB at 2A opens up this pick for a WR.
Picking a safety in round 3 is obviously right considering your previous picks.
I hope/would be enthused if Shawn Williams also falls to the 4th for us.
Cornellius Washington and Michael Williams are also good choices (I had Washington as a late pick in one of my first mocks).

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I think we will get a 5 or a 6 comp. I don't think we get 1 of each.

1. Rey has played well of late, and if that continues I think Rey is back. I think whether or not we take a LB in 1 depends on the status of Thomas Howard. If he's back, I don't think we take one that early unless someone like Jarvis slides.

2. Solid.

2b. Don't see us taking a WR that early. Not sure we take one at all unless it's as a kick returner, and not sure we take a KR that early.

3. A little early to draft a backup FS. Now, if he plays SS, I'm happy.

3b. See 1. Even if Howard is not back I doubt we take 2 LBs that early. Especially if we add Curry.

4. Starting or backup SS?

5. Pass. I think they are turning away from character issue guys.

5b. Ok

5c. Don't see us drafting a TE at all. Unless he is an exceptional blocker.

6. Ok

6b. I'd seriously consider taking a CB earlier.

6c. Don't think we get a 5C and a 6C, but ok if we do.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:45 PM
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I think if I were to make minor changes to your draft structure, it would end up like this.
Just some moving around really.

1. Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia
(traded down acquired 3rd and 5th)
2. Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama
2b.Cordarelle Patterson, WR, USC
3. Bacarri Rambo, FS, Georgia
3b. Shawn Williams, SS, Georgia
4. (Terry Hawthorne, CB, Illinois??)
5. ??????
5b. Cornelius Washington,DE/OLB,Georgia
5c. Michael Williams, TE, Alabama
6. ??????
6b. ??????
6c. ???????

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I think we will get a 5 or a 6 comp. I don't think we get 1 of each.

1. Rey has played well of late, and if that continues I think Rey is back. I think whether or not we take a LB in 1 depends on the status of Thomas Howard. If he's back, I don't think we take one that early unless someone like Jarvis slides.

2. Solid.

2b. Don't see us taking a WR that early. Not sure we take one at all unless it's as a kick returner, and not sure we take a KR that early.

3. A little early to draft a backup FS. Now, if he plays SS, I'm happy.

3b. See 1. Even if Howard is not back I doubt we take 2 LBs that early. Especially if we add Curry.

4. Starting or backup SS?

5. Pass. I think they are turning away from character issue guys.

5b. Ok

5c. Don't see us drafting a TE at all. Unless he is an exceptional blocker.

6. Ok

6b. I'd seriously consider taking a CB earlier.

6c. Don't think we get a 5C and a 6C, but ok if we do.
Ill agree with most of that, I don't think its to early for WR honestly, especially if Marvin Jones doesn't show anything else (Hope he does).

Agree with the S situation, grab one dont really need 2.

From everything I have seen Williams is a good blocker and I think he would be a better option at TE 3 than what we have now.

Overall the draft would be pretty good imo.
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A few things:

Why do we need 12 players? Why turn over 25% of the roster on a team that is playing very well.

Do you really want to have a 5th and a 6th rounder as our backup DEs?

Why not just resign Gilberry and Geathers to reasonable contracts?


The hit rate for the Bengals after the 2nd round isn't that great. I would rather see us move up then end up with 12 picks, 6 of which would more than likely be cut.
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A few things:

Why do we need 12 players? Why turn over 25% of the roster on a team that is playing very well.

Do you really want to have a 5th and a 6th rounder as our backup DEs?

Why not just resign Gilberry and Geathers to reasonable contracts?


The hit rate for the Bengals after the 2nd round isn't that great. I would rather see us move up then end up with 12 picks, 6 of which would more than likely be cut.
Sanu
Geno
Peko
Geathers
Boling
Shipley*
Huber
Michael Johnson
Collins
Sims
Ndukwe*
Fanene*
Henry*

Does every one of them hit? No.
But we have had plenty of hits from the 3rd on back. All of those are solid contributers or at least were when they were here.
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9 years, 45+ picks and you mention 13 guys.

That's roughly a 25% hit rate. Only 6 of them were starters. That's even worse.

Like I said, I'd rather move up into the 2nd round then have 12 picks.
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9 years, 45+ picks and you mention 13 guys.

That's roughly a 25% hit rate. Only 6 of them were starters. That's even worse.

Like I said, I'd rather move up into the 2nd round then have 12 picks.
That is really not that far off from most other teams.
It just isnt.
The mighty New England Patriots had 6 starters (and I am being generous with some) back to 2004.
The Pittsburgh Steelers are right around the same back to 2004, closer to 8.

Sanu
Geno
Peko
Geathers
Boling

Shipley*
Huber
Michael Johnson

Collins
Sims
Ndukwe*
Fanene*
Henry*

All of the bold were starters here. That is 8.
Henry and Ship didn't get starts because our base formations were 2 WR 1 TE 2 RB. But they were #1 on the depth chart in the slot.
Collins is one of the most dependable back up LT in the NFL.
Geathers has started 10+ games 7 out of 9 years.
Sanu was becoming a starter, Ndukwe started quite often for us.
Boling is a 2nd year LG with 15 starts already. I will take that 4th round all day.

Starts literally have nothing to do but who is on the field for the first formation.
On that list only Collins is a legitimate "back up" who doesn't see much if any time in a game. Everyone else saw plenty of time.
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Sanu
Geno
Peko
Geathers
Boling
Shipley*
Huber
Michael Johnson
Collins
Sims
Ndukwe*
Fanene*
Henry*

Does every one of them hit? No.
But we have had plenty of hits from the 3rd on back. All of those are solid contributers or at least were when they were here.
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Good list. Dont forget Housh. He looks good on it too
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9 years, 45+ picks and you mention 13 guys.

That's roughly a 25% hit rate. Only 6 of them were starters. That's even worse.

Like I said, I'd rather move up into the 2nd round then have 12 picks.
And 2nd round?
going back to 2004:
Madieu
Keiwan
Odell
Whit

Irons
Simpson
Rey
Dunlap
Dalton

Still

I mean, I doubt people would call Rey a success but I will give it since he has been a starter.

It is still 50/50 in the 2nd round for us.
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Good list. Dont forget Housh. He looks good on it too
And Jeremi Johnson
And Rudi Johnson
And Kelly Gregg (tho never here)
And Mike Goff
And Steve Foley

No team hits all that much past the 2nd round.
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And Jeremi Johnson
And Rudi Johnson
And Kelly Gregg (tho never here)
And Mike Goff
And Steve Foley

No team hits all that much past the 2nd round.
We've done pretty solid. Our recent drafts we've finally been hitting more in the first 2 rounds lol. In the 90's it seemed like we couldnt buy a decent 1st round pick
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We've done pretty solid. Our recent drafts we've finally been hitting more in the first 2 rounds lol. In the 90's it seemed like we couldnt buy a decent 1st round pick
The 90's were awful no doubt.
Under Marvin we have actually drafted fairly well.
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So...much...SEC. Not that it's a bad thing (I think SEC is best college football conference) but man, this is like system overload!
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I think we will get a 5 or a 6 comp. I don't think we get 1 of each.

1. Rey has played well of late, and if that continues I think Rey is back. I think whether or not we take a LB in 1 depends on the status of Thomas Howard. If he's back, I don't think we take one that early unless someone like Jarvis slides.

1. Too little too late for me. He’s just auditioning for other clubs as far as I am concerned.


2b. Don't see us taking a WR that early. Not sure we take one at all unless it's as a kick returner, and not sure we take a KR that early.

I think with the failure of Binns and Tate, and the uncertainty of Jones I can’t see this team passing on a talent like Robert Woods. The only reason he is not going in the 1st is injury. If he is there in the late 2nd you have to take him.

3. A little early to draft a backup FS. Now, if he plays SS, I'm happy.

Nelson has been erratic and Rambo has the ability to be dominant. Too much talent to not take a risk in the 3rd

3b. See 1. Even if Howard is not back I doubt we take 2 LBs that early. Especially if we add Curry.

We have taken multiple LB before early and it has paid dividends. This draft class is rich in LB talent. It also coincides with a big area that needs to be upgraded for us. Curry would be on a “prove it” deal to me. IF he works out he moves on for big starter money. I am not quite ready to fully trust him as the starter.

4. Starting or backup SS?

Starter most likely, but preseason competition between Mays and he determines starter.

5. Pass. I think they are turning away from character issue guys.

too much talent and upside to pass at this point. Also we signed an UDFA who is serving a jail term right now, so we aren’t too worried about transgressions.


5c. Don't see us drafting a TE at all. Unless he is an exceptional blocker.

He is. He is like a bigger Reggie Kelly with slightly softer hands. Powerful run blocker.
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A few things:

Why do we need 12 players? Why turn over 25% of the roster on a team that is playing very well.



Do you really want to have a 5th and a 6th rounder as our backup DEs?

Why not just resign Gilberry and Geathers to reasonable contracts?


The hit rate for the Bengals after the 2nd round isn't that great. I would rather see us move up then end up with 12 picks, 6 of which would more than likely be cut.
There is massive room for improvement on the back end. Lets look at the guys that could be replaced easily and provide an upgrade in the process.
Offense: (5)
Tate, Binns, Quinn, Whalen, and Roland
Defense: (11)
Gillberry, Geathers, Vincent Rey, Lamur, Allen, Ghee, Prater, Clements, Crockerm, Mays, and Miles.

That’s 16 players right there that we could replace easily. So right there we have more than 25% of the roster who is not playing well or is not irreplaceable.

As to the 5th and 6th round DE. That 5th round DE, Edwards, has outperformed his much hyped team mate Barkevious Mingo for most of the season from a back up role. He would be a starter on any other team in the nation. The 6th round pick is a gamble, but what isn’t, He would back up MJ. MJ takes 80%+ of the snaps so if this kid who has great athletic ability can offer 5 or 6 quality snaps a game then we have won that pick. Why re-sign Gillberry and Geathers when both of them can be more cheaply replaced by players with as much if not more potential. We are going to need all the cash we can get to extend Andre and MJ.



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So...much...SEC. Not that it's a bad thing (I think SEC is best college football conference) but man, this is like system overload!
You have to go where the talent is. Trust me, I would love to load up on Michigan guys and roll to the Superbowl, but the Big Ten and every other conference right now can’t hold a candle to the sheer amount of talent pouring from the SEC right now.
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1. I think the club will disagree.
2. They may draft another WR, but I'll be surprised if it's that early. And unless his injury is career threatening I doubt it would drop him too far.
3. Like I said, I like Rambo as a SS, but they just signed Nelson to an extension, and he has shown he can play well.
3b. We have drafted multiple LBs before because we needed to. I don't think we need to now unless Howard isn't ready to go.
5. He got arrested for drugs after getting kicked off the team for drugs. And a LOT of experts had him going lower than most fans before his issues surfaced.
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1. I think the club will disagree.
2. They may draft another WR, but I'll be surprised if it's that early. And unless his injury is career threatening I doubt it would drop him too far.
3. Like I said, I like Rambo as a SS, but they just signed Nelson to an extension, and he has shown he can play well.
3b. We have drafted multiple LBs before because we needed to. I don't think we need to now unless Howard isn't ready to go.
5. He got arrested for drugs after getting kicked off the team for drugs. And a LOT of experts had him going lower than most fans before his issues surfaced.
I can't really see how you wouldnt draft a LB and rely totally on Howards health. Its not like the guy was awesome only solid. Time for playmakers even if they draft one late.
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I can't really see how you wouldnt draft a LB and rely totally on Howards health. Its not like the guy was awesome only solid. Time for playmakers even if they draft one late.
I'm not saying I wouldn't draft A LB, I'm saying I don't think they need to draft multiple if Howard is healthy. Especially if they signed Curry.
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I'm not saying I wouldn't draft A LB, I'm saying I don't think they need to draft multiple if Howard is healthy. Especially if they signed Curry.
I have doubts about Howard. The fact that an undrafted rookie came in and clearly outperformed him makes me less than interested in seeing him return. His age (30) and coming off a significant injury also raise red flags for me.
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I have doubts about Howard. The fact that an undrafted rookie came in and clearly outperformed him makes me less than interested in seeing him return. His age (30) and coming off a significant injury also raise red flags for me.
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Burfict replacing Howard this season. I have been more impressed with Burfict than I was with Howard. It may just be more splash plays, but its noticable.
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Burfict replacing Howard this season. I have been more impressed with Burfict than I was with Howard. It may just be more splash plays, but its noticable.
While Burfict has largely been solid, he hasn't made what I would call "splash" plays. I think it is more noticeable because we watch Burfict where as Howard was just a part of the defense. Especially if you go back to last year, Howard > Burfict.
And let's not act like Burfict "won" the job from Howard either.
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Burfict replacing Howard this season. I have been more impressed with Burfict than I was with Howard. It may just be more splash plays, but its noticable.
You're partly right.

Howard is the epitome of mediocre.

But Burfict has NOT played better than him.

Not even close.

And enough about this "replace Whalen," nonsense.

Guy is here to stay.
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You're partly right.

Howard is the epitome of mediocre.

But Burfict has NOT played better than him.

Not even close.

And enough about this "replace Whalen," nonsense.

Guy is here to stay.
To say Burfict hasnt played better than Howard must be some kind of bad rainy evening joke.lol. The guy has been nothing short of solid learning a new system and playing another positon to boot. That comment just holds no water at all. One poster mentioned splash plays I'd rather a solid player with splash play potential because you rarely get both out of the box. The risk going in was that he was a coach killer a walking 15 yard penalty just waiting to happen. Everyone wrote this guy off and its been one of Marvins quiet success stories this year. Now we need to find his running mates to make our core sick.
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