Fine's end of Regular Season Mock

[bfine32]

Did one early in the College season, just to see how good I was and it turned out I was great:

http://boards.bengals.com/showthread...67#post2702067

However, there is always room for improvement. So I wanted to throw one out before the Bowl Season and All Star games sway some opinions

1- Alec Ogletree ILB UGA


Athletic LB that is still learning the position. Was all over the field in the SEC title game. Where he will play is the question. Kid has cover skills to play WILL, Pass rushing skills to play SAM, and run support, smarts to play ILB. Re-sign Howard, put him at WILL and see which combination of Burfict and Ogletree works out best at SAM, MIKE.

2A- Matt Elam SS UF


Playmaking SS that carries a wallop. Elam is a Safety capable at excelling at all 3 levels (Pass rush, run support, coverage) as displayed in his last game against arch rival FSU (7 solo tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT). Folks rightly criticize Elam for somethimes going for the hit instead of wrapping up,but the dude is always in the right place.

2B- Brandon Jenkins DE FSU


Injury early put him on the shelf this year, but the 2 previous years he has shown the ability to get after the QB (21.5 sacks, 33.5 TFL). If he woulda played this year he'd probably be in 1st round discussions.

3- Kenjon Barner RB OU


A 1-2 punch of KJB and BJE in the backfield could be the 1st step toward making the Bengal's O truely elite. KJB can flat out fly possible 4.3 speed. I've watched KJB a lot and he is more than just a scat back, did a lot of his damage between the tackles.

4th- Chris Harper WR KSU


Numbers don't pop off the chart because K-State has a FB playing QB. When called upon though Harper can but up big time numbers (11 catches for 123 yards when forced into a shoot out with Baylor). Dude is BIG 6'1" 230 lbs; however, he has 4.4 speed. Excels at taking the top off the D. Has a catch of at least 20 yards in every game this year except 1 (30+ in half his games). Kid is an athlete, played QB at Oregon as a true Freshman.

5- Tyrann Mathieu DB LSU


We'd be lucky if he's there; however, there are huge question marks about him and some may not be willing to take the risk.

6A- Manase Foketi OT, W.TX,


Dude has been all over the map. 1st 2 years were spent at Mt. San Antonio Junior College. Transfered to K-State for Junior year and was a standout LT. Got injued early Senior year and was granted a red shirt. Played Senior Year at DIV II West Texas, where he was dominate.

6B- Dustin Hopkins PK FSU


Enough of Nuge's inconcitancy and health problems. Let's bring in the best Place Kicking prospect in the nation.

[stknux]

Looks like a fine, potential draft. Thanks for posting.

[eliminate08]

This draft would make us contenders for years to come.

Great job Bfine.

[BengalDawg]

Other than not wanting to get within a 100 yard of the Honey Badger I like this draft a lot. That kid is a problem and a dynamic return man, thats it. He doesn't look great in coverage and would only really contribute on special teams

[TGISunday]

Prediction:"herp derp, Elam is Taylor Mays, herp derp"

That said, aside from Ogletree and Elam, rest is o.k.
Not sure I like all the risks involved, or value of some guys.

[D.Boon]

Originally Posted by stknux

Looks like a fine, potential draft. Thanks for posting.

pun intended?

Awesome draft btw...

[pulses]

I guess he forgot we have 2 6th round picks.

[Hammerstripes]

Really like this draft.

The only pick I don't like is Elam. I would much rather have Vacarro.

[hacker]

Great draft. My only worry is waiting until Rd 3 for a RB. We saw last year that guys that were projected to be 2nd and 3rd rders go much earlier. We MUST get a quality speed back adn I would rather take one bit early and have him than wait and be without

[coachmcneil71]

Great draft! There will be some good rb's still left in the 3rd. The kid out of LSU in the 5th is a potential steal and could be well worth the risk in the 5th if he gets his act together.
See...J.Jenkins and A.Jones.
Yes I know J.Jenkins may still screw up but 3 defensive td's in two weeks and one of them the game winner against SF speaks fairly loudly.
Many trashed Jones but he has steadily proven his value to this team.
Ogletree's play speaks for itself and I like the three Florida/FSU kids.
Reallly good mock!

[ishouldbegm]

no wr's please

[TGISunday]

Originally Posted by ishouldbegm

no wr's please

lol. love your one-liners

[wolfkaosaun]

I very much like this draft. I would be pretty happy if the Bengals came out with this

[OchoCincos]

I like this as well Bfine. Ogletree still could return to Georgia, but he may not have a reason to, as his stock is already high. I think Ogletree has a better shot at playing SAM than Mosley IMO, and is a very good playmaker.

The only things I would change would be a different CB in the fifth as I don't think Honey Badger will be there at the pick. The other choice, which is just personal preference, would be change the backup OT pick to a blocking TE pick. But then again, the only blocking TE I think that is worth drafting is Michael Williams. If he isn't available in 6, then might as well go backup OT.

[1stbaseman44]

love the harper pick and with the offense he plays in the wr's have to run block. he was a transfer from oregon. plus a leader and good kid. can only hope the bengals pick him.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by BengalDawg

Other than not wanting to get within a 100 yard of the Honey Badger I like this draft a lot. That kid is a problem and a dynamic return man, thats it. He doesn't look great in coverage and would only really contribute on special teams

Mathieu is just fine in coverage

Originally Posted by TGISunday

Prediction:"herp derp, Elam is Taylor Mays, herp derp"

Originally Posted by Hammerstripes

The only pick I don't like is Elam.

This board is really the only place I see negative attitude toward Elam's play, but there is a lot of it. Think less Taylor Mays think more Ed Reed. A hard hitter that can cover.

Originally Posted by 1stbaseman44

love the harper pick and with the offense he plays in the wr's have to run block. he was a transfer from oregon. plus a leader and good kid. can only hope the bengals pick him.

Kid has a chance to have a Stephen Hill type of explosion at the combine. 6'1" 230, 4.4 speed, and sure hands

[OchoCincos]

Originally Posted by 1stbaseman44

love the harper pick and with the offense he plays in the wr's have to run block. he was a transfer from oregon. plus a leader and good kid. can only hope the bengals pick him.

Agree about Harper. He will be underrated due to less than stellar numbers. But as some people on here think we don't need a WR2 anyway, we could get Harper for depth and see if he can compete for that WR2 position on the outside. Harper is better than either Tate or Binns anyway, IMO.

[1stbaseman44]

binns and tate should be goners

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by TGISunday

Prediction:"herp derp, Elam is Taylor Mays, herp derp"

That said, aside from Ogletree and Elam, rest is o.k.
Not sure I like all the risks involved, or value of some guys.

If you found a way to rearrange to get a RB earlier and Rambo in the 3rd i like it.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

If you found a way to rearrange to get a RB earlier and Rambo in the 3rd i like it.

Rambo is a FS, we don't need one of those. We need a SS. I like Rambo, but I think Elam brings more of what we need and is a much higher rated prospect.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Did one early in the College season, just to see how good I was and it turned out I was great:

http://boards.bengals.com/showthread...67#post2702067

However, there is always room for improvement. So I wanted to throw one out before the Bowl Season and All Star games sway some opinions

1- Alec Ogletree ILB UGA


Athletic LB that is still learning the position. Was all over the field in the SEC title game. Where he will play is the question. Kid has cover skills to play WILL, Pass rushing skills to play SAM, and run support, smarts to play ILB. Re-sign Howard, put him at WILL and see which combination of Burfict and Ogletree works out best at SAM, MIKE.

2A- Matt Elam SS UF


Playmaking SS that carries a wallop. Elam is a Safety capable at excelling at all 3 levels (Pass rush, run support, coverage) as displayed in his last game against arch rival FSU (7 solo tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT). Folks rightly criticize Elam for somethimes going for the hit instead of wrapping up,but the dude is always in the right place.

2B- Brandon Jenkins DE FSU


Injury early put him on the shelf this year, but the 2 previous years he has shown the ability to get after the QB (21.5 sacks, 33.5 TFL). If he woulda played this year he'd probably be in 1st round discussions.

3- Kenjon Barner RB OU


A 1-2 punch of KJB and BJE in the backfield could be the 1st step toward making the Bengal's O truely elite. KJB can flat out fly possible 4.3 speed. I've watched KJB a lot and he is more than just a scat back, did a lot of his damage between the tackles.

4th- Chris Harper WR KSU


Numbers don't pop off the chart because K-State has a FB playing QB. When called upon though Harper can but up big time numbers (11 catches for 123 yards when forced into a shoot out with Baylor). Dude is BIG 6'1" 230 lbs; however, he has 4.4 speed. Excels at taking the top off the D. Has a catch of at least 20 yards in every game this year except 1 (30+ in half his games). Kid is an athlete, played QB at Oregon as a true Freshman.

5- Tyrann Mathieu DB LSU


We'd be lucky if he's there; however, there are huge question marks about him and some may not be willing to take the risk.

6A- Manase Foketi OT, W.TX,


Dude has been all over the map. 1st 2 years were spent at Mt. San Antonio Junior College. Transfered to K-State for Junior year and was a standout LT. Got injued early Senior year and was granted a red shirt. Played Senior Year at DIV II West Texas, where he was dominate.

6B- Dustin Hopkins PK FSU


Enough of Nuge's inconcitancy and health problems. Let's bring in the best Place Kicking prospect in the nation.

I absolutely love this mock. You address LB, S, DE, RB and WR with quality picks. I love Ogletree and Elam. Love Jenkins' potential. Barner might be my favorite RB in this class. I also would love to take a shot on the Honey Badger. I can see him being a solid slot corner and return man. This mock would be hard to top in my book. Good work.

[Jasonew6]

see which combination of Burfict and Ogletree works out best at SAM, MIKE

I think Rey has done well enough the past few weeks that as long as he keeps it up he will be the starting MLB next year.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by Jasonew6

I think Rey has done well enough the past few weeks that as long as he keeps it up he will be the starting MLB next year.

Do you think Rey is a better Mike than Howard is a Will?

[TGISunday]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Do you think Rey is a better Mike than Howard is a Will?

That's not even a fair question!

Also--in reference to drafting Rambo--I wanted to mention the whole FS/SS thing has wiggle room IMO. Slight assignment change, not nearly as drastic as safety to cb or safety to LB.

Or as we've found out in recent years, DL to LB and visa versa.

[TGISunday]

Originally Posted by Jasonew6

I think Rey has done well enough the past few weeks that as long as he keeps it up he will be the starting MLB next year.

I'm not so certain. He's done much better since dropping weight and being called out, and I'm happy that he has. But, You look at his body of work, and I see him being let go then picked up as an inside backer on a 3-4 team and fitting in better. Or not. All the same, he just hasn't shown me enough to warrant a multi-year commitment to him in the middle.

We really could use at least one, hopefully two defensive leaders who can call signals and get guys lined up correctly in our back seven. As evidenced by Crocker's re-signing mid season, that's certainly true of the secondary. I think we could use that at MLB, too.