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Old 12-11-2012, 02:15 PM
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honestly, since 2003 what is our record against rookie QB's? I haven't really kept track but do remember that we don't do so well against a rookie for some oddball reason. We got knocked out of the playoffs by a rookie. Now we get to a play against a rookie during a playoff race. I'm trying to be optimistic but deep down inside of me knows we stink against rookie QB's.

So what is our overall record against the Rooks? And who were the teams/QB's?
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:33 PM
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honestly, since 2003 what is our record against rookie QB's? I haven't really kept track but do remember that we don't do so well against a rookie for some oddball reason. We got knocked out of the playoffs by a rookie. Now we get to a play against a rookie during a playoff race. I'm trying to be optimistic but deep down inside of me knows we stink against rookie QB's.

So what is our overall record against the Rooks? And who were the teams/QB's?
Well how about just this year? 2-2.
Split against Weeden in Cleveland
Won over RGIII
and beat ourselves against Tannehill and the Dolphins


3-2 after Thursday and a stomping of Foles......yes?
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:39 PM
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We tend to make them look like Elway
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We tend to make them look like Elway
It's such a shame too:
Weeden:
Week2- 114.9, 70.3%completions
Week6- 92.7, 58.6%completions

Tannehill:
Week5- 92.6, 65.4%completions

RGIII:
Week3- 90.4, 61.8%completions

Part of that could be the lack of tape on these guys, but that's not really an excuse. Most of the reason why these QBs have higher ratings is because they have high completion % against our secondary.

Whatever the reason though, it needs to be fixed.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:44 PM
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It's such a shame too:
Weeden:
Week2- 114.9, 70.3%completions
Week6- 92.7, 58.6%completions

Tannehill:
Week5- 92.6, 65.4%completions

RGIII:
Week3- 90.4, 61.8%completions

Part of that could be the lack of tape on these guys, but that's not really an excuse. Most of the reason why these QBs have higher ratings is because they have high completion % against our secondary.

Whatever the reason though, it needs to be fixed.
To be fair our defense is substantially better and more healthy than it was in those first few weeks.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:58 PM
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Don't forget last year. Our top 7 D made a star out of Yates.... Twice.
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Its ridiculous how we got owned by TJ Yates... a 3rd string rookie.
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He put up nearly 400 yards against the Bucs. Do they have a crappy secondary, pass rush, or both? Please don't tell me they're good
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He put up nearly 400 yards against the Bucs. Do they have a crappy secondary, pass rush, or both? Please don't tell me they're good
I also want to know, because I can't accept a L here. We usually make average teams looks like the 90's Cowboys
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Buccs have a terrible secondary..and not much of a pass rush. They do play the run well though.
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honestly, since 2003 what is our record against rookie QB's? I haven't really kept track but do remember that we don't do so well against a rookie for some oddball reason. We got knocked out of the playoffs by a rookie. Now we get to a play against a rookie during a playoff race. I'm trying to be optimistic but deep down inside of me knows we stink against rookie QB's.

So what is our overall record against the Rooks? And who were the teams/QB's?


2003

Week 10 - Kyle Boller (Ravens) 34-26 Win

2004

Week 3 - Ben Rothlisberger (Steelers) 23-17 Loss
Week 11 - Ben rothlisberger (Steelers) 19-14 Loss
Week 15 - Eli Manning (Giants) 23-22 Win

2005

Week 14 - Charlie Frye (Browns) 24-20 Win

2006

Week 16 - Jay Cutler (Broncos) 24-23 Loss

2007

Week 17 - John Beck (Dolphins) 38-25 Win

2008

Week 1 - Joe Flacco (Ravens) 17-10 Loss
Week 13 - Joe Flacco (Ravens) 34-3 Loss

2009

Week 13 - Matt Stafford (Lions) 23-13 Win
Week 17 - Mark Sanchez (Jets) 37-0 Loss
Wild Card - Mark Sanchez (Jets) 24-14 Loss

2010

Week 3 - Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) 20-10 Win
Week 15 - Colt McCoy (Browns) 19-17 Win

2011

Week 5 - Blaine Gabbert (Jaguars) 30-20 Win
Week 14 - TJ Yates (Texans) 20-19 Loss
Wild Card - TJ Yates (Texans) 31-10 Loss

2012

Week 2 - Brandon Weeden (Browns) 34-27 Win
Week 3 - Robert Griffin (Redskins) 38-31 Win
Week 5 - Ryan Tanynhill (Dolphins) 17-13 Loss
Week 6 - Brandon Weeden (Browns) 34-24 Loss

Total, 10-11

I don't claim this to be 100% Accurate either

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He put up nearly 400 yards against the Bucs. Do they have a crappy secondary, pass rush, or both? Please don't tell me they're good
The Bucs pass defense is equivalent to the Raiders run D if that helps any.
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It's such a shame too:
Weeden:
Week2- 114.9, 70.3%completions
Week6- 92.7, 58.6%completions

Tannehill:
Week5- 92.6, 65.4%completions

RGIII:
Week3- 90.4, 61.8%completions

Part of that could be the lack of tape on these guys, but that's not really an excuse. Most of the reason why these QBs have higher ratings is because they have high completion % against our secondary.

Whatever the reason though, it needs to be fixed.
I would think the way you treat rookie QBs is to pressure the heck out of them but that has not been our style. Send the entire kitchen sink at em and let's see how they perform.
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I would think the way you treat rookie QBs is to pressure the heck out of them but that has not been our style. Send the entire kitchen sink at em and let's see how they perform.
Exactly. Letting rookies complete an average of 64% of their passes is unacceptable. The soft coverage isn't helping either. There should be way more press man so the young QBs are forced to throw into tight windows.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:41 PM
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Exactly. Letting rookies complete an average of 64% of their passes is unacceptable. The soft coverage isn't helping either. There should be way more press man so the young QBs are forced to throw into tight windows.
I agree, rookies should be forced to think and react quickly which should result in very good things for the defense. Give any NFL QB too much time to throw and he will kill you.
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2003

Week 10 - Kyle Boller (Ravens) 34-26 Win 56% 104 Rating

2004

Week 3 - Ben Rothlisberger (Steelers) 23-17 Loss 68% 101Rat
Week 11 - Ben rothlisberger (Steelers) 19-14 Loss 71% 105rat
Week 15 - Eli Manning (Giants) 23-22 Win 51% 56rat

2005

Week 14 - Charlie Frye (Browns) 24-20 Win 67% 78rat

2006

Week 16 - Jay Cutler (Broncos) 24-23 Loss 52% 89rat

2007

Week 17 - John Beck (Dolphins) 38-25 Win 62% 96rat

2008

Week 1 - Joe Flacco (Ravens) 17-10 Loss 52% 64rat
Week 13 - Joe Flacco (Ravens) 34-3 Loss 66% 120rat

2009

Week 13 - Matt Stafford (Lions) 23-13 Win 42% 41rat
Week 17 - Mark Sanchez (Jets) 37-0 Loss 50% 60rat
Wild Card - Mark Sanchez (Jets) 24-14 Loss 80% 139rat

2010

Week 3 - Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) 20-10 Win 49% 54rat
Week 15 - Colt McCoy (Browns) 19-17 Win 76% 133rat

2011

Week 5 - Blaine Gabbert (Jaguars) 30-20 Win 54% 91rat
Week 14 - TJ Yates (Texans) 20-19 Loss 59% 85rat
Wild Card - TJ Yates (Texans) 31-10 Loss 55% 98rat

2012

Week 2 - Brandon Weeden (Browns) 34-27 Win
Week 3 - Robert Griffin (Redskins) 38-31 Win
Week 5 - Ryan Tanynhill (Dolphins) 17-13 Loss
Week 6 - Brandon Weeden (Browns) 34-24 Loss

Total, 10-11

I don't claim this to be 100% Accurate either

Awesome research....REP for you. I added the completion percentage and QB rating to your list. WOW, the overall record against rookies during the Marvin Lewis Era is quite scary. hopefully they can get a win and be at .500 against rookies.

Also, just seeing McCoys stats against us....would he be a good pickup for a backup if he's available and Grad is gone?
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Awesome research....REP for you. I added the completion percentage and QB rating to your list. WOW, the overall record against rookies during the Marvin Lewis Era is quite scary. hopefully they can get a win and be at .500 against rookies.

Also, just seeing McCoys stats against us....would he be a good pickup for a backup if he's available and Grad is gone?
Jesus, no way!! Let he walk far away from here!! Draft a new one!!
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2003

Week 10 - Kyle Boller (Ravens) 34-26 Win

2004

Week 3 - Ben Rothlisberger (Steelers) 23-17 Loss
Week 11 - Ben rothlisberger (Steelers) 19-14 Loss
Week 15 - Eli Manning (Giants) 23-22 Win

2005

Week 14 - Charlie Frye (Browns) 24-20 Win

2006

Week 16 - Jay Cutler (Broncos) 24-23 Loss

2007

Week 17 - John Beck (Dolphins) 38-25 Win

2008

Week 1 - Joe Flacco (Ravens) 17-10 Loss
Week 13 - Joe Flacco (Ravens) 34-3 Loss

2009

Week 13 - Matt Stafford (Lions) 23-13 Win
Week 17 - Mark Sanchez (Jets) 37-0 Loss
Wild Card - Mark Sanchez (Jets) 24-14 Loss

2010

Week 3 - Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) 20-10 Win
Week 15 - Colt McCoy (Browns) 19-17 Win

2011

Week 5 - Blaine Gabbert (Jaguars) 30-20 Win
Week 14 - TJ Yates (Texans) 20-19 Loss
Wild Card - TJ Yates (Texans) 31-10 Loss

2012

Week 2 - Brandon Weeden (Browns) 34-27 Win
Week 3 - Robert Griffin (Redskins) 38-31 Win
Week 5 - Ryan Tanynhill (Dolphins) 17-13 Loss
Week 6 - Brandon Weeden (Browns) 34-24 Loss

Total, 10-11

I don't claim this to be 100% Accurate either
Good job with the research, but you missed a couple (Rams '07... Brock Berlin I think it was)
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Not our record against them, but an interesting article about this topic from the AFC North blog: http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/pos...engals-trouble
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Good job with the research, but you missed a couple (Rams '07... Brock Berlin I think it was)
Brock Berlin came into the league in 2005 as a Dolphin. He just didn't get to play until 2007
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Brock Berlin came into the league in 2005 as a Dolphin. He just didn't get to play until 2007
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