To all my "GRESHAM HATERS"

[Juniversal]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

If you're going to compare the 2 as players, you have to compare offensive schemes, coaches, supporting casts, and every other variable. Gresham in New England versus Gronk here and this conversation would still happen, just with the names swapped out.

Exactly. You can't compare production because we have two completely different styled offenses. Do I still think we could utilize him a good deal more? yes. But he'll never have Gronk type production (and Gronk wouldn't have near the same production on the Bengals as he does on New England).

[Juniversal]

Originally Posted by Aquapod770

This second Ravens game is my make or break game for Gresham, if he comes out playing scared like he did the first game then I think we should start looking for a new TE. If he comes out and shows fire and plays like he has been recently (not the SD game) then he is our guy.

You're on crack. Despite the lack of eye popping numbers Gresham is by FAR the best TE we've had in a couple of decades. Not likely we'll improve on him in FA or the draft.

[SaintPatrickJR]

Originally Posted by Juniversal

You're on crack. Despite the lack of eye popping numbers Gresham is by FAR the best TE we've had in a couple of decades. Not likely we'll improve on him in FA or the draft.

Thank you. His numbers have also been increasing each season.

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by gardner30

I doubt it.

Gronk is a more explosive player, better in every category, watch him play and you would realize that he is just on a different level than any TE in the league.

They were looking for stud TEs before they found Gronk and Hernandez, they drafted both Watson and Graham in the 1st Rd and they both flopped.

Don't tell me that any TE can go there and put up numbers when both those 1st Rd TEs did not.

So you're telling me that offensive scheme and coaching has nothing to do with Gronk's production over Gresham's? You do know that Billichick wanted Gresham, not Gronk, right? Apparently he was less than pleased in his war room when the Bengals picked him.

Gronk is utilized in the way Gresham should be utilized. Gronk got dealt New England and Tom Brady - Gresham has Dalton and the Bengals. C'mon man.

[MississippiBengals]

Heyy he is my cousin!

Who DEY

[BengalzHacker]

Originally Posted by Aquapod770

This second Ravens game is my make or break game for Gresham, if he comes out playing scared like he did the first game then I think we should start looking for a new TE. If he comes out and shows fire and plays like he has been recently (not the SD game) then he is our guy.

I'm in no way insinuating we need to ditch him. I believe the ceiling is very high for Gresh.

Originally Posted by eliminate08

The Gresh needs to hold onto the ball, that is all.

And eliminate the penalties. If Gresh could put it all together, he'd be elite at TE. What I'm disappointed about is I see the potential, but not the consistent execution.

[Sher Khan]

He ain't heavy, he's my brother.

[BengaliJack]

Wheres that shovel again?...... <attempts to bury this thread>

[gardner30]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

So you're telling me that offensive scheme and coaching has nothing to do with Gronk's production over Gresham's? You do know that Billichick wanted Gresham, not Gronk, right? Apparently he was less than pleased in his war room when the Bengals picked him.

Gronk is utilized in the way Gresham should be utilized. Gronk got dealt New England and Tom Brady - Gresham has Dalton and the Bengals. C'mon man.

If Billichick wanted Gresham he would have got him.

Since when do the Patriots sit back and wait for the guys they want on draft day?

Its not like it was a big secret who the Bengals wanted, half the country mocked Gresham to the Bengals.

Whether you like it or not, Gronk is and probably always be the better TE in ANY scheme.

Every expert covering football will say the same.

Gronk is like Larry Fitz, could still produce with a crappy QB.

[basballguy]

I'm looking forward to the day where I don't have to bump this thread after a game. STOP HOLDING PEOPLE. BTW anyone catch Mayock (the be all, end all, know all of football knowledge obviously) when he called Gresham a "great blocker"?

[finso]

Its called bust.

[THEBURG]

He had a couple of good plays, but more bad ones.

[XenoMorph]

I have no crow to Eat i said he was inconsistant and he is.

I like when he shows up. and wish that was every game.

[voyager6]

The problem with Gresham is the coach. Hayes has not developed a TE since coming to the team. He has been given talented players and they are regressing under his tutilage. I am inclined to think that if anyone flashes, it will be temporary and in spite of the coaching, not because of it.

[ishouldbegm]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

After reading all the cheap shots and over the top insults directed toward Gresham, let the eating of CROW begin. You know who you are.
He's still one of the best TE's in the game PERIOD! Pro bowler last year, pro bowler this year. Why? Because like all great players his good games far outweighs his bad ones.

he is not worth the 1st round pick we used on him

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by voyager6

The problem with Gresham is the coach. Hayes has not developed a TE since coming to the team. He has been given talented players and they are regressing under his tutilage. I am inclined to think that if anyone flashes, it will be temporary and in spite of the coaching, not because of it.

So a coach should tell him to focus and catch the ball and not drop it?

[bengalsfanatic85]

Most overrated and inconsistent player on our team. Never in my life have I seen a player of that size and athleticism have the guts of a 6 year old girl. His hands are not good. Aside from the Chiefs game he is tackled too easily. He is not proving himself worthy of a first round pick.

And could someone please explain to me why it's taking until Week 15 to see TE screens?

[bengalsfanatic85]

Originally Posted by voyager6

The problem with Gresham is the coach. Hayes has not developed a TE since coming to the team. He has been given talented players and they are regressing under his tutilage. I am inclined to think that if anyone flashes, it will be temporary and in spite of the coaching, not because of it.

Could be. I'm starting to think that about our entire coaching staff except for Zim. He is the only one who seems to know how to get the most bang for his buck.

[sampson]

C'Mon people he led the team in yards and receptions against the Eagles. The point is Gresh has been a big time Tight End through three seasons including the fact that his first three years in the league are arguably better than any current NFL TE. As long as he continues to improve his production we should be glad he is a Bengal and damn sure hope he is resigned.

[Aquapod770]

Originally Posted by sampson

C'Mon people he led the team in yards and receptions against the Eagles. The point is Gresh has been a big time Tight End through three seasons including the fact that his first three years in the league are arguably better than any current NFL TE. As long as he continues to improve his production we should be glad he is a Bengal and damn sure hope he is resigned.

[basballguy]

Since we're just oozing with negativity around here today I might as well bump this now so I don't have to do it on Monday.

[Joelist]

Gresham is maddening.

There are times when he goes out there and plays like a younger Tony Gonzalez. Unfortunately then Mr. Hyde comes out and he drops critical and catchable balls, fumbles and/or draws his every game holding penalty. What he lacks is CONSISTENCY.

Want to know why (before he got hurt) Donald Lee was valuable? Because while he lacked Gresham's physical tools he was reliable - you could trust him to run the route correctly and haul the pass in. If Gresham can achieve consistency he will be a top tier TE; but not until then.

[SaintPatrickJR]

Gosh, I love the Bengals but the negativity here is >9,000! Can't we just be positive?

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by Joelist

Gresham is maddening.

There are times when he goes out there and plays like a younger Tony Gonzalez. Unfortunately then Mr. Hyde comes out and he drops critical and catchable balls, fumbles and/or draws his every game holding penalty. What he lacks is CONSISTENCY.

Want to know why (before he got hurt) Donald Lee was valuable? Because while he lacked Gresham's physical tools he was reliable - you could trust him to run the route correctly and haul the pass in. If Gresham can achieve consistency he will be a top tier TE; but not until then.

he plays better when hes mad.

someone slap his mama before the game.

[basballguy]

the guy that created this thread better not show up again until next season.