trade both first round picks and dalton for luck

[Natikid873]

Originally Posted by ajgreenisabeast

so because i think luck is twice the qb right now than dalton will ever be, i'm classified by "you" as an imbecile.....hummm, okay buddy
watch and see, the colts will probably have more wins than dalton next year, if i'm right, you will be the only imbecile, luck is the best qb since joe montana

ok, when did Dalton bang your Girl...

[redwhodey]

ya right, im not high on luck, and dalton will be a more elite qb imo.

[redwhodey]

Originally Posted by Natikid873

ok, when did Dalton bang your Girl...

i know right?! lol Luck is Joe montana now, like really? I could do well at qb in the pac 12, just saying

[BengalB]

I think they said the same things about Ryan Leaf.

[leonardfan40]

Originally Posted by ajgreenisabeast

actually is it not asanine if you think about it with an open mind. luck is by far the best draft prospect since peyton manning. i know this much... andy has a weak arm, his best play all year was a run up the gut against buffalo for a td, other than that it was aj green and spectacular catches that let us win as much as we did. andy is a b at best qb, luck is already an a, look at the tape, he does not need to be in the nfl to see it if you know footbal

i read the first page of this thread then gave up, but this guy is right. If and thats a big IF indy would give us the #1 pick for #17, #21, and andy then we would be stupid not to. im a huge bengals fan and love andy as much as the next guy but he is an average to above average QB. Luck is an above average to great qb and right now looking at the tape the guy is better than dalton. thats not a knock on andy thats just stating the truth that anybody who knows a thing about football would agree with (unless they are a bengals fan). i dont blame everyone who got all upset but the truth is we'd be stupid if we didnt take that trade, not that it'll happen but Luck>Dalton.

[BengalsRocker]

Originally Posted by leonardfan40

i read the first page of this thread then gave up, but this guy is right. If and thats a big IF indy would give us the #1 pick for #17, #21, and andy then we would be stupid not to. im a huge bengals fan and love andy as much as the next guy but he is an average to above average QB. Luck is an above average to great qb and right now looking at the tape the guy is better than dalton. thats not a knock on andy thats just stating the truth that anybody who knows a thing about football would agree with (unless they are a bengals fan). i dont blame everyone who got all upset but the truth is we'd be stupid if we didnt take that trade, not that it'll happen but Luck>Dalton.

It's apples and oranges right now. Until they are playing in the same league it's hard to make that assessment. Luck is capable of making mistakes under pressure. He can throw a pick too. He threw 10 last year. Which is dwarfed by his touchdowns at 37. Against relatively weak opponents except for a couple though.

No number 1 is 100 percent(that's for sure). Even if we're told "it's a lock".

This is slightly off subject... but to be honest with you I would have thought Philip Rivers would have a superbowl ring before Eli. He even had LT running and catching out of the backfield. Eli has 2 now. Go figure. I guess football really is a full team sport.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by leonardfan40

i read the first page of this thread then gave up, but this guy is right. If and thats a big IF indy would give us the #1 pick for #17, #21, and andy then we would be stupid not to. im a huge bengals fan and love andy as much as the next guy but he is an average to above average QB. Luck is an above average to great qb and right now looking at the tape the guy is better than dalton. thats not a knock on andy thats just stating the truth that anybody who knows a thing about football would agree with (unless they are a bengals fan). i dont blame everyone who got all upset but the truth is we'd be stupid if we didnt take that trade, not that it'll happen but Luck>Dalton.

Teams don't make trades that involve that much risk. PERIOD. It would be a giant risk for both teams. If Luck turns into Rodgers 2.0, then the Colts look stupid. If Luck turned into Leaf 2.0, the Bengals look stupid. This is not madden. You don't trade two 1st round picks and a proven QB for a great rookie prospect. Stuff like that never happens. BTW, there's absolutely no guarantee that Luck turns out better than Dalton. Dalton could turn out to be the next Drew Brees. Luck would be Ryan Leaf. Who knows?

[Xs&Os]

Well, the Colts threw an entire season to get Luck (players or referees who just throw a few games get banned for life, but when an owner throws a whole season, he gets rewarded.) But I digress!
I don't think the Bengals should throw away their future by making a ridiculous trade like this. Although I doubt the Colts will take it, because they are counting on turning the hands of time and getting Manning2 in Luck.
We keep the picks and build the Team around Dalton. If Dalton does not continue to develop, then we draft another QB two years from now. This worst case scenarion is still better than taking a chance on an unproven QB, and falling behind by 1-2 years in retooling the OL, WR, secondary or DL.

[natiboi3]

Originally Posted by BengalsRocker

AJGREENISABEAST You crack me up. Remember your own words :

"I totally understand your logic behind this assumption, but with all due respect, many quarterbacks have a hard second year because of the leagues ability to dissect the rookie on game tape after year 1. Cam Newton might have a tough time too next season! I am pretty sure Tebow has reached his climax and the second real season for him hasn't even started. Give Dalton a little time my friend, he will be just fine. The kid has what it takes to learn and progress."

Some real kind words for someone you'd send packing. Jokes on us... for listening that is.

Dude was that really ajgreenisabeast? Dude that is freekin hilarious!!! Hahaha!

[natiboi3]

Originally Posted by leonardfan40

i read the first page of this thread then gave up, but this guy is right. If and thats a big IF indy would give us the #1 pick for #17, #21, and andy then we would be stupid not to. im a huge bengals fan and love andy as much as the next guy but he is an average to above average QB. Luck is an above average to great qb and right now looking at the tape the guy is better than dalton. thats not a knock on andy thats just stating the truth that anybody who knows a thing about football would agree with (unless they are a bengals fan). i dont blame everyone who got all upset but the truth is we'd be stupid if we didnt take that trade, not that it'll happen but Luck>Dalton.

Ohh no.... Ridiculous.

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by leonardfan40

i read the first page of this thread then gave up, but this guy is right. If and thats a big IF indy would give us the #1 pick for #17, #21, and andy then we would be stupid not to. im a huge bengals fan and love andy as much as the next guy but he is an average to above average QB. Luck is an above average to great qb and right now looking at the tape the guy is better than dalton. thats not a knock on andy thats just stating the truth that anybody who knows a thing about football would agree with (unless they are a bengals fan). i dont blame everyone who got all upset but the truth is we'd be stupid if we didnt take that trade, not that it'll happen but Luck>Dalton.

Got a lot of tape on Luck's NFL games, do ya?

Fact of the matter is this trade would be idiotic for both parties. If the Colts wanted Dalton, they'd of drafted him last year. If they would trade, we'd lose out on 2 potential play makers and a Pro-Bowl QB who knows the system and already has great chemistry with his primary weapons and who already knows the playbook, and we'd be burning our OC by throwing away HIS QB.

[freesafety13]

@ajgreenisabeast

Why do you talk like a self righteous, insolent, unintelligent 13 year old then have the audacity to claim you've been a fan since '87?

The only reasonable explanation is that you are a narcissistic, insolent, unintelligent 13 year old.

Or, you are just that dumb. I hereby revoke any further rights you have to breed. The last thing this planet needs is more dumb ****s breeding.

[jtsmith38]

Didn't bill Walsh say that rick mirer was the next Joe Montana too? Personally, I'd stay away from Montana clones.

[striped4war]

Wish we could trade so called fans sometimes

[Shere Khan]

Originally Posted by WhodeyinPA

^ Pretty much the first comment is how I feel.

[BengalsRocker]

Originally Posted by natiboi3

Dude was that really ajgreenisabeast? Dude that is freekin hilarious!!! Hahaha!

Yes it was from a January posting. Here is the link.
http://boards.bengals.com/showthread...12#post2358412

ajgreenisabeast
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Re: What would you think if dalton goes through the sophomore slump?
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Sophmore or not, if he has a full offseason, OTAs, etc, and still regresses, then I won't be very understanding.

I totally understand your logic behind this assumption, but with all due respect, many quarterbacks have a hard second year because of the leagues ability to dissect the rookie on game tape after year 1. Cam Newton might have a tough time too next season! I am pretty sure Tebow has reached his climax and the second real season for him hasn't even started. Give Dalton a little time my friend, he will be just fine. The kid has what it takes to learn and progress.
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Also this one in regards to what vet ex-Bengal QB would you have to help mentor Dalton.

ajgreenisabeast
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Re: Which qb should coach Dalton?
I think the guy we have is great. Dalton seems to be playing fine without a "Chad Pennington" type vet. I don't see the need for a guy like him, probably wouldn't really matter either way

[Au165]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

Got a lot of tape on Luck's NFL games, do ya?

Fact of the matter is this trade would be idiotic for both parties. If the Colts wanted Dalton, they'd of drafted him last year. If they would trade, we'd lose out on 2 potential play makers and a Pro-Bowl QB who knows the system and already has great chemistry with his primary weapons and who already knows the playbook, and we'd be burning our OC by throwing away HIS QB.

Exactly no one has seen Andrew Luck throw and NFL pass yet, but he is all of the sudden the greatest. There have been other "greatest ever" and "can't miss" guys who were never anything more than good. How about we see him play in an NFL game before we assume he is better than a rookie who just had one of the top 10 rookie years at QB.

[cross4me]

Originally Posted by ajgreenisabeast

you sir are the idiot, luck is better than dalton PERIOD your the typical "in denial bungle fan that never states the truth, im the one kicking my tv every sunday because i know football better than any coach we ever had

Gee I didn't know all we needed was for the Bengals to hire you as coach (not knowing you personally I cannot assume that you have no professional coaching or playing experience but somehow I am still making that assumption) and they would have a cupboard full of Lombardi trophies. What were they thinking?

[McC]

Originally Posted by ajgreenisabeast

so because i think luck is twice the qb right now than dalton will ever be, i'm classified by "you" as an imbecile.....hummm, okay buddy
watch and see, the colts will probably have more wins than dalton next year, if i'm right, you will be the only imbecile, luck is the best qb since joe montana

So, explain exactly why the Colts would ever make this trade.

Hey, it's America. You do have the right to express any kind of lunacy you choose. I think Bengal Nation should ease up on you. You're just exercising your Constitutional rights.

[jtsmith38]

Originally Posted by McC

So, explain exactly why the Colts would ever make this trade.

Hey, it's America. You do have the right to express any kind of lunacy you choose. I think Bengal Nation should ease up on you. You're just exercising your Constitutional rights.

God bless america and all the idiots that make it great!

[Goose]

Originally Posted by ajgreenisabeast

This would be the best possible outcome for our future

I guess you think Luck has a big red S on his chest? ? ?

[VCU Rams]

Originally Posted by HellMarine

Last I checked, Luck hasn't played a down in the NFL and Dalton earned Pro Bowl Honors while taking a 4-12 team to a 9-7 playoff team with a new OC and no off-season. Unless Luck wins the Super Bowl next year, he will not impress me more than Dalton. And no, the Colts will not have more wins than the Bengals.

[Bengal4ever68]

Luck isn't an elite qb and will never be in the same category as Manning, Brady, & Rodgers.

[pulses]

Originally Posted by Bengal4ever68

Luck isn't an elite qb and will never be in the same category as Manning, Brady, & Rodgers.

Now you're the idiot.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by pulses

Now you're the idiot.

I guess 54% completions and 23 turnovers = elite these days?