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Old 12-24-2012, 01:17 PM
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Let's conveniently forget Fanene has a degenerative knee and Sims was injured well into mid-season so it necessitated we draft DT's to plug holes. But hey, lets not let the details get in the way.
So what your saying is with a degenerative knee issue Fanene got more outside interest than Sims did. Face it the league does not put the value on Sims that some on these boards do. Getting past denial is the first step.
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Hate to break it to some but the rise of the defense is not Pat Sims. Just like the decline of the defense last season was not Sims.
But you wouldn't agree that his ability to take on multiple blockers isn't a reason the defense has improved? He's just a spoke in the wheel, but without that spoke, we're not very good against the run......from what I've seen. Our run d also suffered at the end of last season, he went down. I don't think it's not a coincidence that our run d does better with him in the lineup and Rey seems to do better. Look at the end of last season and the start of this one. He's a wide body, and that's what you need in the middle to eat up blockers. I think Big Pat does a nice job of that.
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Hate to break it to some but the rise of the defense is not Pat Sims. Just like the decline of the defense last season was not Sims.
Well until you show me one other player that came back thats responsible for run D or lack there of like sims has done im not buying your sentence.
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But you wouldn't agree that his ability to take on multiple blockers isn't a reason the defense has improved? He's just a spoke in the wheel, but without that spoke, we're not very good against the run......from what I've seen. Our run d also suffered at the end of last season, he went down. I don't think it's not a coincidence that our run d does better with him in the lineup and Rey seems to do better. Look at the end of last season and the start of this one. He's a wide body, and that's what you need in the middle to eat up blockers. I think Big Pat does a nice job of that.
Sumo Wrestler = Pat Sims = Run Stuffer = WINS.....
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Well until you show me one other player that came back thats responsible for run D or lack there of like sims has done im not buying your sentence.
Gotta spread the rep man, or I'd hit you up for this one again.....
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So what your saying is with a degenerative knee issue Fanene got more outside interest than Sims did. Face it the league does not put the value on Sims that some on these boards do. Getting past denial is the first step.
Do you forget sims was on IR to end the year And PuP to start the year? hard to interview when you cant practice....


And Fanene isnt working now is he.....

Stop hating sense hes been back we have lost 1 game.

And our Defensive Ranking has drastically improved.. Why because we can stop the run and have a full rotation of Men on the DL
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Hate to break it to some but the rise of the defense is not Pat Sims. Just like the decline of the defense last season was not Sims.
Are you saying he hasn't made a big difference in our defense?
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Hate to break it to some but the rise of the defense is not Pat Sims. Just like the decline of the defense last season was not Sims.
I believe in coincidence...within limits. The facts are there. Ignore them if you want.
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I agree that he's looked great while he's been in there- getting penetration on runs, getting after the quarterback, etc.- and he has been a valuable piece to this defense, but he's just doing his job and finally looks like he's worth the pick that we spent on him.
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So what your saying is with a degenerative knee issue Fanene got more outside interest than Sims did. Face it the league does not put the value on Sims that some on these boards do. Getting past denial is the first step.
Wonder why the Bengals brought him backand plays him over 2nd and 3rd round draft picks ?

Face it the team puts more value on Sims than some on these boards do.
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Wonder why the Bengals brought him backand plays him over 2nd and 3rd round draft picks ?

Face it the team puts more value on Sims than some on these boards do.
Why only on a one year deal?
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I believe in coincidence...within limits. The facts are there. Ignore them if you want.
I am saying there are many other factors. Such as:

1) Rey playing without an ankle injury
2) Rey playing lighter and faster.
3) Burfict playing faster and better the more he gets comfortable.
4) Breakout season for MJ
5) Atkins playing like a man possessed
6) Gilberry playing as a key cog in the rotation
7) Peko elevating his play
8) Defensive backs that are physical in playing the run

There are multiple more reasons for the success of this defense than Sims.
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Why only on a one year deal?
Cause he was hurt and they wanted to see how that would pan out. Also, no need to rush the rookies with this team anymore (other than the first rounders maybe), let them develop a year and then see what you got, sets them up for sucess rather than failure.
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Why only on a one year deal?
As Mike said; because he was injured. It would have been silly to ink him to a long term deal. You always mention the lack of interest in FA. You do realized FA period started MAR 13, we signed Pat MAR 24, probably were in negotiations for some time.
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Perhaps Devon Still wasn't that good and Sims was a huge upgrade over him.
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Perhaps Devon Still wasn't that good and Sims was a huge upgrade over him.
Notice I did not mention Devon Still?
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I am saying there are many other factors. Such as:

1) Rey playing without an ankle injury
2) Rey playing lighter and faster.
3) Burfict playing faster and better the more he gets comfortable.
4) Breakout season for MJ
5) Atkins playing like a man possessed
6) Gilberry playing as a key cog in the rotation
7) Peko elevating his play
8) Defensive backs that are physical in playing the run

There are multiple more reasons for the success of this defense than Sims.
I agree with everything you said here, and while I'm not saying it's all Sims, I feel like the correlation has some bearing on the dramatic fall off in '11 and dramatic improvement we now see this year. It all seems to fulcrum around Pat Sims. I'll grant you, undoubtedly, that there are many other factors, but you've at least got to admit that Sims is at least one important factor in all of this, right?
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Notice I did not mention Devon Still?
What makes you think he was talking to you?
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As Mike said; because he was injured. It would have been silly to ink him to a long term deal. You always mention the lack of interest in FA. You do realized FA period started MAR 13, we signed Pat MAR 24, probably were in negotiations for some time.
How many players were signed to other teams in that period since your thru it out there? I would be willing to bet more than a couple.

As well, if he is back next season I doubt if is more than another one year deal.
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I agree with everything you said here, and while I'm not saying it's all Sims, I feel like the correlation has some bearing on the dramatic fall off in '11 and dramatic improvement we now see this year. It all seems to fulcrum around Pat Sims. I'll grant you, undoubtedly, that there are many other factors, but you've at least got to admit that Sims is at least one important factor in all of this, right?
I will give you it is a factor...important I will not concede. And certainly no more important than any of the numerous other factors I have listed above.
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What makes you think he was talking to you?
Seriously that is the best you are going to bring to the table? Did not figure you would address the multiple other factors.
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I am saying there are many other factors. Such as:

1) Rey playing without an ankle injury
2) Rey playing lighter and faster.
3) Burfict playing faster and better the more he gets comfortable.
4) Breakout season for MJ
5) Atkins playing like a man possessed
6) Gilberry playing as a key cog in the rotation
7) Peko elevating his play
8) Defensive backs that are physical in playing the run

There are multiple more reasons for the success of this defense than Sims.
I agree, and don't get me wrong because Sims has played great, but he was hurt and is just now getting playing time and statistics.

We have a top ten rushing defense and he hasn't been doing much in most of those games or even dressing.

I will say that he played great yesterday and I hope that we keep him, Atkins, and Peko and don't think "oh, we don't need all three," because a solid rotation and keeping them fresh is a formula for domination, especially now in a passing league.
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I think it comes down to having a 2nd NT to spell Peko.
Still was good for collapsing the pocket but without a backup NT Peko was seeing too many reps and he plays full boar every snap so he wears down, need the guy who can be a NT to give him rest.
And when we have obvious run plays coming at us, 2 NT on the field is always best.
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Seriously that is the best you are going to bring to the table? Did not figure you would address the multiple other factors.
I have addressed the issue plenty; however, it is like talking to a brick wall. You were not a fan of Sims in the past off season and to change your stance now would be admitting you were wrong. The team thought enough of Sims to bring him back after only spending 10 days on the open market, even though he was coming off season ending injury. The team now cares enough about his play to activate him while 2 high round draft choices remain inactive.

The D is better with Pat Sims on it. Folks can choose not to see that if they want; however, they are just showing thier bias and most can plainly see it.
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Hopefully we can keep him around. However I think the chances are higher that he leaves this year than they were last year. Last year he had the injury and I don't believe he was 100% around free agency time. He will be healthy this year and could end up getting a fat contract.

It's getting to the point where I would rather have Sims around than Peko. But Peko has 2 more years on his contract and isn't going anywhere.
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