Merry Christmas Mock

[shaolinghost]

-Assuming we pick in the mid 20's, and we retain all of our key FAs

1. Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU

2. Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia

2. Robert Woods, WR, USC

3. Phillip Thomas, S, Fresno State

4. Kenjon Barner, RB, Oregon

5. Michael Williams, TE, Alabama

6. Tyrann Mathieu, CB/KR, LSU

6. BPA

Roster:
QB- Dalton, Gradkowski
RB- Green-Ellis, Barner, Peerman, Herron
FB- Pressley
WR- Green, Woods, Sanu, Jones, Hawkins, Whalen
TE- Gresham, Charles, Williams
LT- Whitworth, Collins
RT- Smith, Roland(or FA)
LG- Boling
RG- Zeitler
OC- Cook, Robinson

LDE- Dunlap, Ansah
RDE- M. Johnson, Gilberry
DT- Atkins, Peko, Still, Thompson, Sims
LB- Burfict, Ogletree, Howard, Lamur, Maualuga, Skuta, V. Rey
S- Nelson, Thomas, Iloka, Crocker, Mathieu
CB- Hall, Newman, Jones, Kirkpatrick, Allen

LS- Harris
P- Huber
K- Brown
KR/PR- Mathieu

[ibengals]

I'm still gonna say Anseh is a little too raw to go that early. A lot of people here are high on him, but I think he's a second rounder right now. I like the rest.

[Jasonew6]

Originally Posted by ibengals

I'm still gonna say Anseh is a little too raw to go that early. A lot of people here are high on him, but I think he's a second rounder right now. I like the rest.

Agree.

I would add don't draft Mathieu.

[shaolinghost]

Originally Posted by ibengals

I'm still gonna say Anseh is a little too raw to go that early. A lot of people here are high on him, but I think he's a second rounder right now. I like the rest.

I also like Alex Okafor, and I know he's got a 1st round grade, so taking here instead wouldn't bother me any. I just believe Ansah's ceiling is higher. We just need more pass rushers IMO. MJ is good and Atkins is amazing, but outside of that nobody else is all that consistent. Both prospects are complete DEs that would replace Geathers and could very well be dominant starters early.

Originally Posted by Jasonew6

Agree.

I would add don't draft Mathieu.

I figure he could offer something in the return game, and with it being a 6th round pick there's virtually no risk there.

[NATI BENGALS]

I can't get on board with Ansah in 1 until I find out how old he is. If he is a Weeden or Danny Watkins type no way. If he is just a grown man out muscling college kids I am not that impressed. To me that has a huge effect on how high I view his ceiling.

[shaolinghost]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

I can't get on board with Ansah in 1 until I find out how old he is. If he is a Weeden or Danny Watkins type no way. If he is just a grown man out muscling college kids I am not that impressed. To me that has a huge effect on how high I view his ceiling.

From the small amount of research I've done it looks like he's 23, and will be 24 before the draft. So he's a little older, but not 28 year old rookie old.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

From the small amount of research I've done it looks like he's 23, and will be 24 before the draft. So he's a little older, but not 28 year old rookie old.

Where did you see it?

[ishouldbegm]

great mock not really a fan of barner but we will see

[Cow Bell Fever]

Originally Posted by ibengals

I'm still gonna say Anseh is a little too raw to go that early. A lot of people here are high on him, but I think he's a second rounder right now. I like the rest.

That was Pierre Paul's drawback counting up to his draft, too raw. He turned out pretty Damn good, so maybe its worth the gamble

[Bengals Fan For Life!]

Really like the draft. Barner isn't my favorite but I would love a COP with BJGE. I love Ansah. He looks good with high ceiling.

Addresses needs and adds depth.

Like matheui IF he says the right thing at interview. What he says will reveal his attitude and that is the only problem; talent isn't a question. I say, if he says the right thing, take a shot at getting a starting CB and pro bowl level returner for a 5th round pick.

[WhoDeyLeisure]

Originally Posted by Jasonew6

Agree.

I would add don't draft Mathieu.

Just like all you who said don't draft Janoris Jenkins? He just broke the NFL record for pick 6s as a rookie, and has 0 off the field issues. But we have Kirk warming the bench, no worries.

[crazyjdawg]

I just don't see it with Ansah.

I've never seen what other people see in him.

[BobJones4980]

Originally Posted by WhoDeyLeisure

Just like all you who said don't draft Janoris Jenkins? He just broke the NFL record for pick 6s as a rookie, and has 0 off the field issues. But we have Kirk warming the bench, no worries.

Ha, it was still the right decision, at the time he was just to big of a risk for the 1st round.

Also that zero off the field issues you mentioned, I guess your just ignoring the fact he was suspended earlier in the season correct?

Hindsight is 20/20, the guy had MAJOR character concerns going into the draft and he was to risky for round 1 no matter how you want to spin it and 32 NFL teams agreed considering he went in round 2. Also comparing wanting to take Jenkins in 1 to Matheiu in 6 is just hilarious.

[shaolinghost]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

Where did you see it?

I found it on a Giant's message board, so take that for what it's worth. They're all estimating his age from 23-26, but one post I read said someone "found out" Ansah was 23 right now.

http://boards.giants.com/showthread....h-DE-BYU/page2

It is kind of odd though that the BYU page doesn't list his age, nor the ESPN page on him...

[Jasonew6]

Originally Posted by WhoDeyLeisure

Just like all you who said don't draft Janoris Jenkins? He just broke the NFL record for pick 6s as a rookie, and has 0 off the field issues. But we have Kirk warming the bench, no worries.

No one doubted JJ's talent. Will he be able to stay out of trouble?

And Mathieu is not nearly as good.

[CincIndy]

Originally Posted by WhoDeyLeisure

Just like all you who said don't draft Janoris Jenkins? He just broke the NFL record for pick 6s as a rookie, and has 0 off the field issues. But we have Kirk warming the bench, no worries.

Kirk is on the bench because of injuries, not because of development issues or off the field issues. There is a major difference.

[shaolinghost]

Originally Posted by Jasonew6

No one doubted JJ's talent. Will he be able to stay out of trouble?

And Mathieu is not nearly as good.

That's why you wait until the 6th to draft him. He's got good instincts, but is definitely too small to be a full-time defender in the NFL. His return ability alone should be worth a late rounder though.

If he gets into trouble it's not really a big deal anyway since there's almost nothing invested.

[Jasonew6]

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

That's why you wait until the 6th to draft him. He's got good instincts, but is definitely too small to be a full-time defender in the NFL. His return ability alone should be worth a late rounder though.

If he gets into trouble it's not really a big deal anyway since there's almost nothing invested.

Haven't we seen enough that those guys are distractions to the team?

[ibengals]

Besides the pick sixes, Jenkins has been pretty horrible at corner this year. PFF has him ranked in the bottom 5 in the NFL.


Casey Hayward on the other hand, now THAT was a good find by the Packers.

[shaolinghost]

Originally Posted by Jasonew6

Haven't we seen enough that those guys are distractions to the team?

That's because they're kept around for too long.

-Chris Henry should have stayed gone, but MB wanted him back for whatever reason.
-Thurman was a bad pick in hindsight, and he should have gotten cut at the end of his 1st year, but being a 2nd round pick I'm sure the FO couldn't logically do that.
-While not a problem off the field(while here) Ocho should have been traded to the Redskins, but was kept around to sell tickets and get the team some press.

These guys were only distractions because they were allowed to be. This new Bengals team doesn't appear to be like that anymore though. Burfict, for example, seems to be working out fine, and I'll admit I didn't want him here at first.

[hacker]

What if Barner is gone? What is your backup plan? Can you take another year of this wih no speed at RB? We must draft a RB in the first 3 rds. We must fill that position or look at another year of 1-2 yds per carry.

[pulses]

If Barner is gone then you take Kerwynn Williams in the 5th and quite possibly Zac Stacy may go undrafted and we could pick him up as well. Their are other options.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by BobJones4980

Ha, it was still the right decision, at the time he was just to big of a risk for the 1st round.

Also that zero off the field issues you mentioned, I guess your just ignoring the fact he was suspended earlier in the season correct?

Hindsight is 20/20, the guy had MAJOR character concerns going into the draft and he was to risky for round 1 no matter how you want to spin it and 32 NFL teams agreed considering he went in round 2. Also comparing wanting to take Jenkins in 1 to Matheiu in 6 is just hilarious.

Odell Thurman had 0 off-the-field issues during his rookie season.

But, after the rookie year, things started going south.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

LB- Burfict, Ogletree, Howard, Lamur, Maualuga, Skuta, V. Rey

Proposed Bengals LB depth chart:

WILL: Howard/Ogletree/Lemur/Vincent Rey
MIKE: Maualuga/Skuta
SAM: Burfict

Who is your SAM2?

Vincent Rey is exclusively a STer.

[pulses]

Howard is coming off an ACL injury and if we get Ogletree I think he'll start.