Comp Picks?

[xwhodey77]

Not to get ahead of ourselves, but the Bengals really should be getting some solid comp picks for the draft this year. It's a long way off and the playoffs are the ultimate focus, but one can get excited about these extra picks.

Veteran Additions:
RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis, G Travelle Wharton, DE Jamaal Anderson, CB Jason Allen, CB Terence Newman.

Offseason Losses:
RB Cedric Benson, WR Jerome Simpson, WR Andre Caldwell, G Bobbie Williams, G Nate Livings, DE/DT Jonathan Fanene, DE Frostee Rucker, OLB Brandon Johnson, CB Kelly Jennings, OG McGlynn

Green-Ellis was our only notable addition and Newman was cut so that won't factor in. Wharton, Anderson, and Allen have all been busts that we have signed, and we lost 9 free agents to other teams. Based on the production standpoint and the amount of players we lost and the contracts those players received, we should be due at least a couple picks. Benson will not get us a pick; only 250 yards this year. Simpson is a starter, but he isn't making that much and only has 235 yards. Caldwell has one catch on the year so nothing there. Bobbie Williams may very well net us a 5th round comp pick. He has played in 12 games and started 5 for the Ravens while signing a 2 year deal. Livings will net us a 3rd round comp pick in my opinion. He has started in 15 games and signed a 4 for 20 deal in the offseason. Fanene was cut so nothing there. Frostee Rucker signed a 5 year, 20 million deal and has 45 tackles and 4 sacks. Looks like a 4th round comp to me. The only other player who will net us another pick is Mike McGlynn. He signed a 2 year deal and is starting at center for the Colts. So the haul from these players is an extra 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 5th I think, which could be huge. WHO DEY!

[xwhodey77]

NFL is very unpredictable on this. Also could see us getting no picks.

[Bull Durham]

I think Wharton and Newman were both cut by their former teams so they won't count against us.

I doubt we get all those picks you listed though. We didn't lose anyone who would warrant a 3rd rounder in my opinion.

[Jasonew6]

Originally Posted by xwhodey77

NFL is very unpredictable on this. Also could see us getting no picks.

The NFL is VERY predictable. If you lose more qualifying free agents than you gain you get a comp pick.

I was tracking gains and losses in the off season, and I think we get one in 5 or later.

[CincIndy]

There is a comp guru somewhere on the interwebs, cant remember his name or his website, but look, and you might find him.

[icehole3]

this guy breaks it down the best

http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Jasonew6

The NFL is VERY predictable. If you lose more qualifying free agents than you gain you get a comp pick.

I was tracking gains and losses in the off season, and I think we get one in 5 or later.

http://www.bengals.com/news/transactions.html

Lost 9 - Livings, Bobbie Williams, Benson, Rucker, Fanene, McGlynn, Simpson, Caldwell, Brandon Johnson.

Signed 3 - BJGE, Jason Allen, Jamaal Anderson.

(Faine, Newman, Wharton, Josh Brown, Gilberry & Richard Quinn were cut and don't count.)

If this is the case, then the Bengals should get 6 compensatory picks.

Does anyone else see this differently?

Is there a 10 year veteran exclusion? I believe that would only impact Bobbie Williams.

[dr1441]

Originally Posted by mulligan

http://www.bengals.com/news/transactions.html

Lost 9 - Livings, Bobbie Williams, Benson, Rucker, Fanene, McGlynn, Simpson, Caldwell, Brandon Johnson.

Signed 3 - BJGE, Jason Allen, Jamaal Anderson.

(Faine, Newman, Wharton, Josh Brown, Gilberry & Richard Quinn were cut and don't count.)

If this is the case, then the Bengals should get 6 compensatory picks.

Does anyone else see this differently?

Is there a 10 year veteran exclusion? I believe that would only impact Bobbie Williams.

I'm not positive but I think there is a limit to the picks a team can have in a draft. I don't think we will get 6 picks on top of what we have already but I think we could gain a few.

For the amount of playing time that Nate Livings and Bobbie Williams has had we might get around a 4-5th round pick.

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by dr1441

I'm not positive but I think there is a limit to the picks a team can have in a draft. I don't think we will get 6 picks on top of what we have already but I think we could gain a few.

For the amount of playing time that Nate Livings and Bobbie Williams has had we might get around a 4-5th round pick.

I believe you're awarded a max of 4 comp picks.

[shaolinghost]

Lost:
Livings: 5yr/$18.7million contract. Started 15 games
Rucker: 5yr/$20.5million contract. Started 15 games
McGlynn: 2yr/$1.95million contract. Started 15 games
Williams: 2yr/$2.295million contract. Started 5 games

Added:
Green-Ellis: 3yr/$9million contract. Started 15 games
Jason Allen: 2yr/$8.2million contact. Started 0 games
Jamaal Anderson: 2yr/$5.5million contract. Started 0 games and on IR.

Yeah. We should definitely get something this year.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

Lost:
Livings: 5yr/$18.7million contract. Started 15 games
Rucker: 5yr/$20.5million contract. Started 15 games
McGlynn: 2yr/$1.95million contract. Started 15 games
Williams: 2yr/$2.295million contract. Started 5 games

Added:
Green-Ellis: 3yr/$9million contract. Started 15 games
Jason Allen: 2yr/$8.2million contact. Started 0 games
Jamaal Anderson: 2yr/$5.5million contract. Started 0 games and on IR.

Yeah. We should definitely get something this year.

What about Benson, Fanene, Simpson, Caldwell, Brandon Johnson?

Fanene - 3 year/$9.85 million with $2.283 million in 2012
Simpson - 1 year - $2,000,000
Andre Caldwell - 2 year $1,800,000
Benson - 1 year/$825k
Brandon Johnson - 1 year $700k

Perhaps, Benson & Johnson wouldn't count for much. But I would have to think that Fanene, Simpson, & Caldwell would be considered, correct?

[shaolinghost]

Originally Posted by mulligan

What about Benson, Fanene, Simpson, Caldwell, Brandon Johnson?

Fanene - 3 year/$9.85 million with $2.283 million in 2012
Simpson - 1 year - $2,000,000
Andre Caldwell - 2 year $1,800,000
Benson - 1 year/$825k
Brandon Johnson - 1 year $700k

Perhaps, Benson & Johnson wouldn't count for much. But I would have to think that Fanene, Simpson, & Caldwell would be considered, correct?

I think so. I just didn't include them because either their contracts weren't that large and/or they didn't see the field that often. All those guys could factor into an extra pick, maybe in the 6th?

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

I think so. I just didn't include them because either their contracts weren't that large and/or they didn't see the field that often. All those guys could factor into an extra pick, maybe in the 6th?

Fanene - 3 year/$9.85 million with $2.283 million in 2012
Simpson - 1 year - $2,000,000
Andre Caldwell - 2 year $1,800,000
Benson - 1 year/$825k
Brandon Johnson - 1 year $700k

Fanene's contract was large. I'd say that so was Simpson's and Caldwell's.

Does it matter if Fanene was put on IR? I don't think so. Perhaps with playing time, but regardless, he got the contract.

I think that we should get something for Fanene as well.

http://www.raiders.com/news/article-...b-38830ec6140c

At most, a team can get 4 comp. picks. I am thinking that the Bengals should at least get 2 if not 3 comp picks.

[yellowxdiscipline]

If we get an extra 4th or 5th ill be happy.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by mulligan

http://www.bengals.com/news/transactions.html

Lost 8 - Livings, Benson, Rucker, Fanene, McGlynn, Simpson, Caldwell, Brandon Johnson.

Signed 3 - BJGE, Jason Allen, Jamaal Anderson.

(Faine, Newman, Wharton, Josh Brown, Gilberry & Richard Quinn were cut and don't count. Bobbie is over 10 years vetted.)

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

Lost:
Livings: 5yr/$18.7million contract. Started 15 games
Rucker: 5yr/$20.5million contract. Started 15 games
McGlynn: 2yr/$1.95million contract. Started 15 games
Williams: 2yr/$2.295million contract. Started 5 games

Added:
Green-Ellis: 3yr/$9million contract. Started 15 games
Jason Allen: 2yr/$8.2million contact. Started 0 games
Jamaal Anderson: 2yr/$5.5million contract. Started 0 games and on IR.

Originally Posted by mulligan

Fanene - 3 year/$9.85 million with $2.283 million in 2012
Simpson - 1 year - $2,000,000
Andre Caldwell - 2 year $1,800,000
Benson - 1 year/$825k
Brandon Johnson - 1 year $700k

Originally Posted by yellowxdiscipline

If we get an extra 4th or 5th ill be happy.

Based on the above, doesn't it seem like the Bengals SHOULD get more than 1 comp pick?

[goalpost]

Originally Posted by shaolinghost

Lost:
Livings: 5yr/$18.7million contract. Started 15 games
Rucker: 5yr/$20.5million contract. Started 15 games
McGlynn: 2yr/$1.95million contract. Started 15 games
Williams: 2yr/$2.295million contract. Started 5 games

Added:
Green-Ellis: 3yr/$9million contract. Started 15 games
Jason Allen: 2yr/$8.2million contact. Started 0 games
Jamaal Anderson: 2yr/$5.5million contract. Started 0 games and on IR.

Yeah. We should definitely get something this year.

Wow..... Did we ever overpay for Jason Allen.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by goalpost

Wow..... Did we ever overpay for Jason Allen.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnat...s/jason-allen/
The Devil is in the details.

Allen received an $800k signing bonus. In the 2nd and final year of the contract, Allen has a $700k roster bonus and a $3 million base.

If the Bengals cut Jason Allen prior to the NFL year, then the Bengals would only take a $400k hit to the salary cap.

Though Allen's 2012 participation was very, very frustrating, I think that this was a well-structured deal initially as an insurance policy if Pacman didn't re-sign in 2012. And in addition, if something goes wrong in 2013 (Pacman, Newman don't extend), then Allen could be a necessary player in 2013.

[Lolli]

Originally Posted by xwhodey77

NFL is very unpredictable on this. Also could see us getting no picks.

Agreed. As futile as draft prediction are, guessing at comp picks is a complete waste of time. Even the people who assign them do not understand the 'formula.'