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Old 12-27-2012, 09:23 AM
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I love the way Zeitler stepped in day one as a rookie and solidified the line. But, just like Boling, he needs time to get stronger. I think you will see both Bloing and Zeitler get stronger each year. I see these two being dominant the latter part of 2013 and beyond.

To answer the OP, no he is not better than Bobby in his prime. But Zeitler will not be in his prime for at least 4 or 5 years so his ceiling is higher.
Exactly what I was trying to say, and used Dalton as an example. Then got ripped. Man, that made me madder than I thought!
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:01 AM
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Not yet.

But he is exactly what the Bengals needed and he came with an extra 3rd round pick.

Nothing to not like.
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:30 AM
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Based on my naked eye, and the numbers at off.com' I think Zeitler is a huge success. As a matter of fact, I can't recall a guard that has impacted a team like Zeitler in their rookie season in recent history. I love his strength at the point of attack and see the tandem of he and Andre Smith as a real force on the right side.

Bobbie Williams? A great guy, a leader, but limited athletically. Zeitler is already a better all- around player than Williams.
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:10 PM
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Bobbie Williams? A great guy, a leader, but limited athletically. Zeitler is already a better all- around player than Williams.
Yup. Way higher ceiling. He just needs a season or two to reach it.
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:15 PM
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Ill say no Bobbie was one strong man and could move and move ppl give him a couple of years more strength with his agileness he will be way better.
Zeitler is still a growing college kid. Another year on the diet and weight program and he'll be a beast.
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Bobbie Williams was awesome as a power run blocker and good in pass protection. Zeitler isn't even close to him yet.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:08 PM
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http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/pos...afc-north-wrap

ESPN has Yanda beating out Zeitler for best RG in the AFC North.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:13 PM
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If not, how much farther does he have to go?


Bobbie was pretty damn good in his prime.

Awesome that you are even asking this question so early in Zeit's career.

But Bobbie was damn good and Zeit will need a little time to be that good.
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:27 PM
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Bobbie was pretty damn good in his prime.

Awesome that you are even asking this question so early in Zeit's career.

But Bobbie was damn good and Zeit will need a little time to be that good.
His power run blocking was really impressive. He was good for 4 yards when a back ran behind him.

He may be our best free agent signing of the last 20 years.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:26 PM
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His power run blocking was really impressive. He was good for 4 yards when a back ran behind him.

He may be our best free agent signing of the last 20 years.


Yeah, Bobbie was a great run blocker in his prime, one of the best in the league.

I think Zeitler could be just as good at run blocking and even better in pass protection soon though.

Best pick of the draft IMHO was Zeitler.

And yeah, i agree Bobbie may have been our best FA signing of the last 20 or so years.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:31 PM
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Who graded out higher?
alot of "draft experts" were saying david decastro was the best guard prospect to come out in years...but if i remember right on draft day i heard the bengals had zeitler and decastro graded about the same
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:37 PM
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Beautiful that we didnt draft DeCastro. We killed 3 birds with that stone. Didnt draft DeCastro, who *****.....drafted a better player at that position, and in dodging the DeCastro bullet we let it gracefully hit our rivals.

Just beautiful


The funny thing is Pitt only took him to take him away from us
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:42 PM
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Beautiful that we didnt draft DeCastro. We killed 3 birds with that stone. Didnt draft DeCastro, who *****.....drafted a better player at that position, and in dodging the DeCastro bullet we let it gracefully hit our rivals.

Just beautiful


The funny thing is Pitt only took him to take him away from us
to be fair decastro was coming off a knee injury and he had to go up against geno...geno makes every G in the nfl look bad lol
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:46 PM
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I don't ever remember Bobbie being all that GREAT. He's been very very good for a rookie and will be a probowler very soon
How old are you?

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I don't know if he is as good today as Williams was in his prime, but if not, he isn't far off. Williams, IMO was the weak spot of that super awesome 2005 line, but still a stud. I fully expect for Zeitler to exceed expectations here and become a pro-bowler in the future.
Well being the weak link in 2005 on the OL is like being the worst bite of the best steak ever.
That 2005 OL had a top 5: LT, LG, C, RG, RT
So yeah, it was okay to be the weak link lol
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:47 PM
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No, Zeitler got beat bad a few times against Pittsburgh, and he has a long way to go yet. He's played great this year, and I think eventually he'll be better than Bobbie was.
The way the Steelers' and Eagles' games were going, I think Bobby Williams would have had trouble too. Those two games were nightmares, for the most part, for the Oline.
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:23 PM
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If not, how much farther does he have to go?
Not yet. But the way he kinda hit the ground running and the way he moves better than Bobbie ever did, it's only a question of when not if. Here's to hoping he'll be the consummate pro like Bobbie.
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:41 PM
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alot of "draft experts" were saying david decastro was the best guard prospect to come out in years...but if i remember right on draft day i heard the bengals had zeitler and decastro graded about the same
The Bengals were probably indifferent between the 2 and knew they could pick up an extra pick and get one. If Decastro was there they may have taken him and been happy. Its hard to say.
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Wouldn't he already be a future pro bowler?
This made me lol...
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:16 PM
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All I can say is I am glad we took Zeitler instead of DeCastro. He has been solid all season. He will develop over time as all NFL players do. I think he will be a pro bowl caliber player. Did you see what Geno Adkins did to DeCastro on Sunday. He absolutely destroyed him.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:54 PM
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Bobbie spent years in Philadelphia developing first. Zeitler is young. But from what I've seen, it seems like Bobbie definitely committed more penalties by way of holding than Zeitler has.

I would say both Rudi Johnson and Cedric Benson benefitted greatly running behind Bobbie.
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I'll say he gets fewer penalties than Bobbie
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Geno terrorizes "finesse" style Guards because he has so much power in his bull rush.
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All I can say is I am glad we took Zeitler instead of DeCastro. He has been solid all season. He will develop over time as all NFL players do. I think he will be a pro bowl caliber player. Did you see what Geno Adkins did to DeCastro on Sunday. He absolutely destroyed him.
G's all over the NFL have nightmares about him--some for what he did to them, the rest for what he will do to them eventually.
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:38 AM
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All I can say is I am glad we took Zeitler instead of DeCastro. He has been solid all season. He will develop over time as all NFL players do. I think he will be a pro bowl caliber player. Did you see what Geno Adkins did to DeCastro on Sunday. He absolutely destroyed him.
That's not really fair to assess DeCastro based on his performance against Atkins, the best DT in the NFL. Many good OGs have looked bad against him.

People may have a bias since he's now a Steeler, but statistics say he'll be good.
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