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Old 12-30-2012, 06:10 PM
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If the Bengals decide to go with O-line late in round 1 which of these Alabama players would you want?

OG Chance Warmack

OC Barrett Jones

I like the intelligence and versatility of Jones a 2 time all American , OT and OC.

But I like the sheer power of a player like Warmack.
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:15 PM
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We can pickup a good OG in the 2nd & use a bpa pick in the 1st.
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:17 PM
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If the Bengals decide to go with O-line late in round 1 which of these Alabama players would you want?

OG Chance Warmack

OC Barrett Jones

I like the intelligence and versatility of Jones a 2 time all American , OT and OC.

But I like the sheer power of a player like Warmack.
The issue has not been with the inside of the Offensive line, but with the RB, TE/WR, and QB. Teams have been pulling inside LB blitzes and the RB's have been an issue picking up the blitz. Hawkins is getting jammed at the line and Gresham is not winning inside this is why you see Dalton trying to throw outside to the one on one curl.

Gruden needs to call plays to punish the inside blitz anything outside usually works. (Outside runs, Screens etc.) BUT With all these inside LB blitzes Gresham should be tearing it up in the middle of the field he's not.
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:29 PM
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The issue has not been with the inside of the Offensive line, but with the RB, TE/WR, and QB. Teams have been pulling inside LB blitzes and the RB's have been an issue picking up the blitz. Hawkins is getting jammed at the line and Gresham is not winning inside this is why you see Dalton trying to throw outside to the one on one curl.

Gruden needs to call plays to punish the inside blitz anything outside usually works. (Outside runs, Screens etc.) BUT With all these inside LB blitzes Gresham should be tearing it up in the middle of the field he's not.
Just seems like every defense we face has a strong push up the middle.

But "if" the Bengals go OL in round 1, which of these players do you want?
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:38 PM
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Just seems like every defense we face has a strong push up the middle.

But "if" the Bengals go OL in round 1, which of these players do you want?
Ya if you watch closely you'll notice the defenses are rushing 5 or 6 (overloading the middle ) and the RB is missing a block. (Peerman missed two today.)

If I was forced to take a OL in the first It would be a tackle because Andrew Whitworth is getting up there in age (knee issues) and dont know what is going to happen with Andre Smith. I like Lane Johnson.
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The only way we draft O-line in 1 is if we lose Andre.
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We can pickup a good OG in the 2nd & use a bpa pick in the 1st.
Well who you think is the BPA may not be who everyone else sees as the BPA. Warmack and Jones are better than most players in the 2nd half of the 1st round.

To the OP I would go with Jones. The guy is very versatile and we could always upgrade our OC position. I find Boling to be a pretty decent guard and the missing piece on the OL is OC.
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The only way we draft O-line in 1 is if we lose Andre.
Which is very possible and Jones is versatile enough for OT if he isn't resigned.
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Which is very possible and Jones is versatile enough for OT if he isn't resigned.
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You're right. He he is a terrible player and will be terrible in the NFL. I just happen to disagree. He played well as an OT in college and as an OG as well as an OC. Why do you think he will be a terrible OT in the NFL?

I wouldn't put him ahead of A. Smith but Smith will go to the team that overpays for him. The Bengals are not that type of team. Now if Luke Joeckel or Jake Matthews falls then I would draft them. However those 2 will probably be long gone before our pick. I see Jones as being just as good as the guys after them, plus his versatility IF we do resign Smith to put him inside makes him that much more valuable.
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You're right. He he is a terrible player and will be terrible in the NFL. I just happen to disagree. He played well as an OT in college and as an OG as well as an OC. Why do you think he will be a terrible OT in the NFL?

I wouldn't put him ahead of A. Smith but Smith will go to the team that overpays for him. The Bengals are not that type of team. Now if Luke Joeckel or Jake Matthews falls then I would draft them. However those 2 will probably be long gone before our pick. I see Jones as being just as good as the guys after them, plus his versatility IF we do resign Smith to put him inside makes him that much more valuable.
Well Im done since you have just put a **** ton of words in my mouth. I never said anything about him being a terrible player or a terrible OT.

I just think his versatility is quickly becoming blown way out of proportion.
Could he play OT? Sure. Would he be good? Probably not.

He has struggled at C this year. He is basically a better version of Boling. He needs to be a LG to reach his full potential. He isn't stout or strong enough at the point to be a RT in the NFL. Especially for us.
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Barrett Jones was named All American twice. Once as a LT and as Center. Projected as OG/OC in NFL.

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I'd take Warmack all day every day.

And then convert him to center.
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I'd take Warmack all day every day.

And then convert him to center.
1. Warmack - LG
2a. John Cooper - C

problem solved.
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:52 PM
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If we want to upgrade OG, I draft Warmack

If upgrading Center, Jones.

Which position do we need the upgrade most?
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1. Warmack - LG
2a. John Cooper - C

problem solved.
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If we want to upgrade OG, I draft Warmack

If upgrading Center, Jones.

Which position do we need the upgrade most?
Safety?

OLB?
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I wouldn't mind an O-line pick early. I'm looking at Jones teammate though, DJ Fluker T, in the 2nd, with the 2B pick. He is a solid run blocker that some scouts think might project as a G as well.
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Old 12-30-2012, 10:58 PM
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To answer your question, I think I'd take Warmack, even though I listed Jones as the top pick in my latest draft. Warmack is a guard. End of story. I don't want Alexander "experimenting" with Jones at WR.

But the more I think about this, I see our biggest immediate need in the Oline being at center. Cook is awful. Robinson did well, and maybe he's the long term answer. I'm not sure.
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Well Im done since you have just put a **** ton of words in my mouth. I never said anything about him being a terrible player or a terrible OT.

I just think his versatility is quickly becoming blown way out of proportion.
Could he play OT? Sure. Would he be good? Probably not.

He has struggled at C this year. He is basically a better version of Boling. He needs to be a LG to reach his full potential. He isn't stout or strong enough at the point to be a RT in the NFL. Especially for us.
I am not the one who said that Jones wouldn't be a RT in the NFL. You did. Which isn't putting anything in your mouth just expounding on what you said.

His value is in his versatility which is in the fact that he has played and excelled at all the positions on the OLine.

If he was a terrible OT or OG and just happened to be a good center then I could understand you not wanting him. Yet he has played all spots well. I don't see how you can say he struggled this year. His weakness is against smaller speedier DLinemen. Sounds like this would be a great place for him to go as we have the most tenacious DT in the league to practice against.

Against bigger and stronger competition he either dominated or just held his own and didn't get knocked around.

Here is a highlight of him at LT....

"Jones had a tremendous season at left tackle last year and it has really elevated his draft stock. In his biggest test of 2011, Tbe junior faced his biggest test of facing LSU in the regular season. He played very well before sustaining an ankle injury in the second half. Early in the evening, Jones was doing a phenomenal job of run blocking for Trent Richardson, and Alabama had a lot of success running behind Jones. He also wasn't getting - or needing - any help with LSU's speed-rushers on the edge, and Jones was rock solid not allowing a sack or pressure. He had another good game in the National Championship"

So I could see us taking him as an OC but also as insurance if A. Smith leaves us and we need a RT.
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I am not the one who said that Jones wouldn't be a RT in the NFL. You did. Which isn't putting anything in your mouth just expounding on what you said.
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Except when you expound on another man's thoughts, you are putting **** in their mouth.
I never said he would be ****. So don't say I did.
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