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Old 12-31-2012, 11:47 AM
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I have noticed a trend lately when are facing 3rd down and whatever yardage.
Last week the Bengals had 3rd and 1, vs the Steelers in the the 4th q.
Instead of going for a high % pass, Dalton chucks it up to Green on that deep sideline fade route
for a incomplete.
then yesterday Ryan Whalen runs the same route on the other side.Incomplete.
First of all what in the hell is Whalen doing running a deep route for. He has good hands.
He can run a good comeback route. what he can't do is toast a CB going vertical.
Whalen can't even fool a CB with a double move.
But if we are facing short yardage and we desire to throw,then run a hitch screen or a out route.
When Andy throws over 40 yards downfield its not he's completing a outrageous amount anyhow.
we have WRs that can get YAC.
while I'm at big props to Brandon Tate for stepping up yesterday.
he might have 3 fans on here and I'm one of them.
I think is #19 is underused.
when he's asked to go deep and its thrown to him,he's produced.
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Not much faith in line/running game huh ?
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Old 12-31-2012, 12:32 PM
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I have noticed a trend lately when are facing 3rd down and whatever yardage.
Last week the Bengals had 3rd and 1, vs the Steelers in the the 4th q.
Instead of going for a high % pass, Dalton chucks it up to Green on that deep sideline fade route
for a incomplete.
then yesterday Ryan Whalen runs the same route on the other side.Incomplete.
First of all what in the hell is Whalen doing running a deep route for. He has good hands.
He can run a good comeback route. what he can't do is toast a CB going vertical.
Whalen can't even fool a CB with a double move.
But if we are facing short yardage and we desire to throw,then run a hitch screen or a out route.
When Andy throws over 40 yards downfield its not he's completing a outrageous amount anyhow.
we have WRs that can get YAC.
while I'm at big props to Brandon Tate for stepping up yesterday.
he might have 3 fans on here and I'm one of them.
I think is #19 is underused.
when he's asked to go deep and its thrown to him,he's produced.
If you would have listened to the announcers in the game.. Coverage often dictates were a QB can throw a ball.. His best shot was at Green but he had to throw it high or have it picked right out of his hand by Troy P
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I have noticed a trend lately when are facing 3rd down and whatever yardage.
Last week the Bengals had 3rd and 1, vs the Steelers in the the 4th q.
Instead of going for a high % pass, Dalton chucks it up to Green on that deep sideline fade route
for a incomplete.
then yesterday Ryan Whalen runs the same route on the other side.Incomplete.
First of all what in the hell is Whalen doing running a deep route for. He has good hands.
He can run a good comeback route. what he can't do is toast a CB going vertical.
Whalen can't even fool a CB with a double move.
But if we are facing short yardage and we desire to throw,then run a hitch screen or a out route.
When Andy throws over 40 yards downfield its not he's completing a outrageous amount anyhow.
we have WRs that can get YAC.
while I'm at big props to Brandon Tate for stepping up yesterday.
he might have 3 fans on here and I'm one of them.
I think is #19 is underused.
when he's asked to go deep and its thrown to him,he's produced.
I said something similar to a friend yesterday. It seems like we go deep on 3rd and manageable at times it just doesn't make sense. If we were up by a couple of TD's or more, I wouldn't mind them so much. But we do it in tight games. Not ideal.
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Not much faith in line/running game huh ?
not vs the steelers.
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Actually I like the deep chuck to Whalen, AJ was doubled all the time and they respect Marvin Jones's deep speed. You dont have to run a 4.34 40 if you hav the knack ala Steve Largent.

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It has been said that he could move DB 3 yards by just turning his head....Whalen may have the knack, why not let him try?

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I have noticed a trend lately when are facing 3rd down and whatever yardage.
Last week the Bengals had 3rd and 1, vs the Steelers in the the 4th q.
Instead of going for a high % pass, Dalton chucks it up to Green on that deep sideline fade route
for a incomplete.
then yesterday Ryan Whalen runs the same route on the other side.Incomplete.
First of all what in the hell is Whalen doing running a deep route for. He has good hands.
He can run a good comeback route. what he can't do is toast a CB going vertical.
Whalen can't even fool a CB with a double move.
But if we are facing short yardage and we desire to throw,then run a hitch screen or a out route.
When Andy throws over 40 yards downfield its not he's completing a outrageous amount anyhow.
we have WRs that can get YAC.
while I'm at big props to Brandon Tate for stepping up yesterday.
he might have 3 fans on here and I'm one of them.
I think is #19 is underused.
when he's asked to go deep and its thrown to him,he's produced.


How bout on 3rd and 1 we actually RUN the ball,,that is why we picked up the lawfirm,,but tell marv and gruden that, im sure they will tell you how stupid you are for suggesting they run on 3rd and short instead of throwing the ball 40 yards deep
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How bout on 3rd and 1 we actually RUN the ball,,that is why we picked up the lawfirm,,but tell marv and gruden that, im sure they will tell you how stupid you are for suggesting they run on 3rd and short instead of throwing the ball 40 yards deep
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:39 PM
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Actually I like the deep chuck to Whalen, AJ was doubled all the time and they respect Marvin Jones's deep speed. You dont have to run a 4.34 40 if you hav the knack ala Steve Largent.

Largent for all you young'ns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLKSbeItlVs

40 time 4.65: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...60/4/index.htm

5'11 187 Yards per catch 16....

It has been said that he could move DB 3 yards by just turning his head....Whalen may have the knack, why not let him try?

Ian
If I could add to that, it can also be a major momentum shift when it's completed. There is a reason you want to be at third and short, because you have the ENTIRE playbook open to you. The defense has to prepare to stop the run, first and foremost. So you have the ability to dial up a big play downfield if you're not pinned deep in your own end. The primary receivers are going to draw the major assignments, so you know you'll face single coverage against your depth receivers. Complete that pass for 20+ and they'll have to start playing on their heels and/ or relying more on deep zones. That opens up the underneath coverage and empties the box for the run game.

Week after week people complain about the offense not being aggressive. Then people complain when the offense is aggressive. You can't have it both ways, ladies and gents.
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:41 PM
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The passing game these last few weeks reminds me of a pre-season vanilla playbook overall.

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How bout on 3rd and 1 we actually RUN the ball,,that is why we picked up the lawfirm,,but tell marv and gruden that, im sure they will tell you how stupid you are for suggesting they run on 3rd and short instead of throwing the ball 40 yards deep

With Cook as center, passing deep is probably a better % play than running up the gut. lol
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I have noticed a trend lately when are facing 3rd down and whatever yardage.
Last week the Bengals had 3rd and 1, vs the Steelers in the the 4th q.
Instead of going for a high % pass, Dalton chucks it up to Green on that deep sideline fade route
for a incomplete.
then yesterday Ryan Whalen runs the same route on the other side.Incomplete.
First of all what in the hell is Whalen doing running a deep route for. He has good hands.
He can run a good comeback route. what he can't do is toast a CB going vertical.
Whalen can't even fool a CB with a double move.
But if we are facing short yardage and we desire to throw,then run a hitch screen or a out route.
When Andy throws over 40 yards downfield its not he's completing a outrageous amount anyhow.
we have WRs that can get YAC.
while I'm at big props to Brandon Tate for stepping up yesterday.
he might have 3 fans on here and I'm one of them.
I think is #19 is underused.
when he's asked to go deep and its thrown to him,he's produced.
As I sit here typing this, dave lapham is on 700 wlw sports talk at the holy grail and they are talking about the lack of offense.lap kinda said he thinks gruden needs to pick SOMETHING they are really really good at, get that super perfected and work everything else off that. he says that would allow them more playaction passing and so forth. he thinks they are not super super good at anything because they are not making it a priorty.so lets say they make running the ball the best they could ever be at it, then mix everything else in.makes sense to me.he also said if we lose zimmer, we are toast next year on defense.so we gotta make hay NOW, because we will lose zimmer after season. there was 7, countem coaches fired today. thats crazy.hope mr. mike brown is weighing his options.by the way,the texans stadium is so loud, you must go with the silent count.now here comes old # 71 jumping offsides three times.
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I have the biggest problem with the route combinations, we don't ever open up the middle of the field. I wouldn't mind seeing more drag routes with Hawk or Gresh. Also I wouldn't mind seeing Dalton getting some easier throws at the beginning of the game 10-15 outs and hitches 20+ flys aren't the easiest throws to make and it seems like that's all we run. Some might say the opposing D's dictate it, but some creativity and improved route combinations could vastly improve this O.
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You could take our entire receiving corps, QB, and OC, and they would not add up to one seasoned veteran. They are very young will get better.

Think the TE play is what is hurting. A good TE can be a young QB's best friend. Gresham has all the potential in the world. Just do not get it.
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I don't mind taking the occasional "shot" on 3rd and 1. Often the D will stack the box to stop the run so you have 1 on 1 outside. As long as they don't do it on every 3rd and 1, I don't have a problem with it.
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Marvin Jones is getting better each week, defenses already are concerned about his deep speed and play making ability. Sanu will help greatly when he returns, and they were not about to get Green or Gresham hurt yesterday.

As far as Whalen goes, how will we ever know what he has or doesn't have if we don't let him try?

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Marvin Jones is getting better each week, defenses already are concerned about his deep speed and play making ability. Sanu will help greatly when he returns, and they were not about to get Green or Gresham hurt yesterday.

As far as Whalen goes, how will we ever know what he has or doesn't have if we don't let him try?

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Could we trade him for Fleener instead?

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I don't mind taking the occasional "shot" on 3rd and 1. Often the D will stack the box to stop the run so you have 1 on 1 outside. As long as they don't do it on every 3rd and 1, I don't have a problem with it.
I miss Shipley.
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Well, that Ship has sailed. Btw, your drink is missing you right now.
Week 12-17, Shipley had more catches and yards than any WR on the Bengals not named AJ Green. I feel like the Bengals need to rescue him from The Jags. Bring him on back in exchange for Tate or something.
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My only complaint is that if you're going deep, throw it in bounds. If it gets picked off on 3rd down deep in the opponent's territory so what? At least you tried.
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My only complaint is that if you're going deep, throw it in bounds. If it gets picked off on 3rd down deep in the opponent's territory so what? At least you tried.
x2, just like a punt, unless they get a big run back, then maybe on that one should have thrown it out of bounds.
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Week 12-17, Shipley had more catches and yards than any WR on the Bengals not named AJ Green. I feel like the Bengals need to rescue him from The Jags. Bring him on back in exchange for Tate or something.


Thus, the, Well That Ship Has Sailed comment.
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How bout on 3rd and 1 we actually RUN the ball,,that is why we picked up the lawfirm,,but tell marv and gruden that, im sure they will tell you how stupid you are for suggesting they run on 3rd and short instead of throwing the ball 40 yards deep
How about you actually watch somew games so that you know what you are talking about instead of just spewing ignorance.

The Bengals have faced third and one yard or less 35 times this year.

They ran the ball 26 times and only attempted THREE deep passes.

But don't let a little reality get in the way of your Marvin bashing.

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I have noticed a trend lately when are facing 3rd down and whatever yardage.
Last week the Bengals had 3rd and 1, vs the Steelers in the the 4th q.
Instead of going for a high % pass, Dalton chucks it up to Green on that deep sideline fade route
for a incomplete.
then yesterday Ryan Whalen runs the same route on the other side.Incomplete.
First of all what in the hell is Whalen doing running a deep route for. He has good hands.
He can run a good comeback route. what he can't do is toast a CB going vertical.
Whalen can't even fool a CB with a double move.
But if we are facing short yardage and we desire to throw,then run a hitch screen or a out route.
When Andy throws over 40 yards downfield its not he's completing a outrageous amount anyhow.
we have WRs that can get YAC.
while I'm at big props to Brandon Tate for stepping up yesterday.
he might have 3 fans on here and I'm one of them.
I think is #19 is underused.
when he's asked to go deep and its thrown to him,he's produced.


The Center position is what is concerning me. Cook has been sukking it up and Robinson
just had a bad snap yesterday. Not good, but i would still start Robinson and leave Cook
on the bench, atleast Robinson can block.

I used to be a Cook supporter but there is no denying his terrible play and it is not just a
coincidence that since he has been seeing snaps we have been downright bad on Offense.
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How about you actually watch somew games so that you know what you are talking about instead of just spewing ignorance.

The Bengals have faced third and one yard or less 35 times this year.

They ran the ball 26 times and only attempted THREE deep passes.

But don't let a little reality get in the way of your Marvin bashing.
People forget anything past 3 weeks ago, because we've had two deep passes on third and short in the last two weeks that's all people remember. The same way people are trashing the O-Line when they played very well coming off the bye, Shaun O'Hare had them rated number 1 two weeks in a row.

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