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Old 01-01-2013, 10:50 PM
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Default 2011 vs 2012 Offensive numbers

Just wanted to throw out some numbers from last year and this year. There have been some areas where the offense has improved, particularly in points going from 316 to 363. Some areas of the passing game have improved, though sacks given up hasn't as they almost doubled. Other areas though like 3rd down % hasn't improved at all and the rushing game hasn't shown much improvement, though isn't worse. Anyways here ya go ya stat nerds, not that I am one.

2011
- 316 points = 344 points total - 28 defense/st points (4 tds)
- 285 1st downs (22nd)
- 36.5 3rd down % (18th)
- 40 4th down % (16th) 4/10
- 99 penalties (18th) for 874 yards
- 33 field goals (2nd-tied)
- 5118 total yards (20th)

Passing
- 3340 pass yds (20th)
- 57.6% completions (23rd)
- 79.6 passer rating (16th)
- 21 pass TDs 13th
- 14 ints (17th most)
- 25 sacks given up (28th most)

Rushing
- 1778 rushing yds (19th)
- 3.9 yds/att (27th)
- 10 rush tds (21st)
- 2 fumbles lost

2012
- 363 points = 391 points total - 28 defense/st points (4 tds)
- 292 1st downs (24th)
- 34.1 3rd down % (27th)
- 68.8 4th down % (4th) 11/16
- 99 penalties (21st) for 857 yds
- 30 field goals (7th)
- 5323 total yards (22nd)

Passing
- 3578 pass yds (17th)
- 62% completions (13th)
- 88.1 rating (13th)
- 28 pass TDs (7th)
- 16 ints (tied 12th most)
- 46 sacks given up (7th most)

Rushing
- 1745 rush yards (18th)
- 4.1 yds/att (20th)
- 11 rush tds (tied 18th)
- 2 fumbles lost
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Just wanted to throw out some numbers from last year and this year. There have been some areas where the offense has improved, particularly in points going from 316 to 363. Some areas of the passing game have improved, though sacks given up hasn't as they almost doubled. Other areas though like 3rd down % hasn't improved at all and the rushing game hasn't shown much improvement, though isn't worse. Anyways here ya go ya stat nerds, not that I am one.

2011
- 316 points = 344 points total - 28 defense/st points (4 tds)
- 285 1st downs (22nd)
- 36.5 3rd down % (18th)
- 40 4th down % (16th) 4/10
- 99 penalties (18th) for 874 yards
- 33 field goals (2nd-tied)
- 5118 total yards (20th)

Passing
- 3340 pass yds (20th)
- 57.6% completions (23rd)
- 79.6 passer rating (16th)
- 21 pass TDs 13th
- 14 ints (17th most)
- 25 sacks given up (28th most)

Rushing
- 1778 rushing yds (19th)
- 3.9 yds/att (27th)
- 10 rush tds (21st)
- 2 fumbles lost

2012
- 363 points = 391 points total - 28 defense/st points (4 tds)
- 292 1st downs (24th)
- 34.1 3rd down % (27th)
- 68.8 4th down % (4th) 11/16
- 99 penalties (21st) for 857 yds
- 30 field goals (7th)
- 5323 total yards (22nd)

Passing
- 3578 pass yds (17th)
- 62% completions (13th)
- 88.1 rating (13th)
- 28 pass TDs (7th)
- 16 ints (tied 12th most)
- 46 sacks given up (7th most)

Rushing
- 1745 rush yards (18th)
- 4.1 yds/att (20th)
- 11 rush tds (tied 18th)
- 2 fumbles lost
I was going to post something similar just to show Andy's progression as it has gotten better from the year before. But this is much better it even shows the nfl as a whole had gotten better.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:07 PM
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Wow, the sack difference really sticks out like sore thumb, Andy needs some dang protection.
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Thanks Millz

Wow that 3rd down % is just crazy, knew we were bad but that's just nuts.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:17 PM
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Overall, I think we see very little difference in overall offensive performance, which surprises me. We scored a boatload of points this season. I guess the last 4 weeks really took their toll. Still, it is great to see our young QB develop. Hope those #s keep improving.
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It ties together with some interesting numbers from the Brngals.com front page.

Zeitler ranked 12th amongst Guards per PFF. Boling 22nd. In pass protection Zeitler was 7th and Boling 19th. I assume both ranking are RG and LG combined. So we're good at RG but at LG although improved (in 2011 Livings was 56th out of 64 Guards) we've improved to middle of the pack. Also, Center is a revolving door.

On third down percentage, I think that is where our total lack of a real possession WR who can be the outlet guy is hurting us. We have our "chad" and our "slim" but no "TJ" so to speak.
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It ties together with some interesting numbers from the Brngals.com front page.

Zeitler ranked 12th amongst Guards per PFF. Boling 22nd. In pass protection Zeitler was 7th and Boling 19th. I assume both ranking are RG and LG combined. So we're good at RG but at LG although improved (in 2011 Livings was 56th out of 64 Guards) we've improved to middle of the pack. Also, Center is a revolving door.

On third down percentage, I think that is where our total lack of a real possession WR who can be the outlet guy is hurting us. We have our "chad" and our "slim" but no "TJ" so to speak.
Actually I think we do have our TJ. He's just hurt right now (Sanu).
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It ties together with some interesting numbers from the Brngals.com front page.

Zeitler ranked 12th amongst Guards per PFF. Boling 22nd. In pass protection Zeitler was 7th and Boling 19th. I assume both ranking are RG and LG combined. So we're good at RG but at LG although improved (in 2011 Livings was 56th out of 64 Guards) we've improved to middle of the pack. Also, Center is a revolving door.

On third down percentage, I think that is where our total lack of a real possession WR who can be the outlet guy is hurting us. We have our "chad" and our "slim" but no "TJ" so to speak.
And/or our lack of ability to run block and our lack of a really good RB.
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Actually I think we do have our TJ. He's just hurt right now (Sanu).
If he's hurt we don't have him.
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I think the numbers would be much worse had the O line not improved during hte year. It was obvious that the O line got better after the bye.

I suspect that many of the sacks may be on Dalton as well. There are instances in which Dalton has missed open receivers and been gun shy on pulling the trigger on a pass. He holds on to the ball too long at times and get sacked. All part of the maturation process. His QB rating is better and his TDs are improved. I would be his red zone efficiency is much better this year as well. Red zone TDs was low last year.
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Wow, the sack difference really sticks out like sore thumb, Andy needs some dang protection.
The numbers are really interesting. Extremely.

People thought that Nate Livings was some weak link, but he was pretty good in pass protection and really poor in run blocking. They conversely think that Zeitler and Boling are great.

Clearly the offensive line can improve and I expect they will over time.

I've maintained for some time, going back to the offseason that once we had good Guards, Cook would stand out as the weak link. That was controversial, but it bears out. But, with the sack numbers that bad...clearly there are other lineman struggling.
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The numbers are really interesting. Extremely.

People thought that Nate Livings was some weak link, but he was pretty good in pass protection and really poor in run blocking. They conversely think that Zeitler and Boling are great.

Clearly the offensive line can improve and I expect they will over time.

I've maintained for some time, going back to the offseason that once we had good Guards, Cook would stand out as the weak link. That was controversial, but it bears out. But, with the sack numbers that bad...clearly there are other lineman struggling.
Yeah I thought so too. As I mentioned right off the bat in some areas the offense has improved but others like sacks given up it hasnt. That many of sacks can be due to the o-line, no more Livings, Andy, playcalls, etc. I have no clue though what would be the main cause of the huge increase though, but I am guess a bunch of factors at various times.

I don't know, I just wanted to point these numbers out so everyone can see exactly how well or how bad the offense has improved in certain areas going into year two under Grudan.

Also folks forget that in 2005-2007 under Brat, we had a top-5 offense and top-10 in 06-07. This offense is not close to that offense just yet under Brat (and he was villified around here).
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