How do you feel about guns?

[RhythmicGeek]

Originally Posted by ICKYSHUFFLE

Yes we do have evidence and the original AWB did NOTHING to the statistics and the reason they started going down was because the AWB sun setted in 07.
Just look on the FBI website for the statistics.

I think you are missing the point. The evidence he is speaking of is the evidence of the slippery slope you are claiming will happen.

[ICKYSHUFFLE]

Originally Posted by RhythmicGeek

I still stand by my statement that if she is taught right, she can shoot a shotgun. I doubt she is as tiny as some of the women I have taught how to shoot.

And before anyone jumps in or whatever, yes, the particular firearm matters as well. I have a 12 gauge that has virtually no kick, and one that kicks like a mule. I have a 10 gauge that kicks less than that 12 gauge.

They could but that doesn't mean they necessarily would want to. They could take the pain but I doubt they might want to and would rather have a smaller caliber gun. Ask any gun sales man and they will tell you smaller calibers are what most women lean towards.
You could teach someone to drive a huge truck, that doesn't mean they will do everything right or prefer to do it.

[RhythmicGeek]

Originally Posted by WhoDeyJon

As have I, but it still doesn't change what I know to be true.

And what is that?

[BengalRugby]

[RhythmicGeek]

Originally Posted by ICKYSHUFFLE

They could but that doesn't mean they necessarily would want to. They could take the pain but I doubt they might want to and would rather have a smaller caliber gun. Ask any gun sales man and they will tell you smaller calibers are what most women lean towards.
You could teach someone to drive a huge truck, that doesn't mean they will do everything right or prefer to do it.

The pain? I can find a 12 gauge with little to no recoil, no pain involved. On the other end of the spectrum, I have shot a 20 gauge that I thought would separate my shoulder. Choose your weapon right, and there is no issue.

[ICKYSHUFFLE]

Originally Posted by SteelCitySouth

LOL...I see 8 year olds shooting shotguns...

And there are also GROWN MEN that can't or don't want to shoot them.
Just like WhodeyJohn and myself have been saying this whole time, it varies from person to person. I saw a video of a kid shooting a 30-06, does that mean anyone can?
Having that mindset, especially with guns, can get someone hurt very quick.
You are correct that they may be able to with proper training, but as I have already said they probably don't like to.

[SteelCitySouth]

Originally Posted by ICKYSHUFFLE

Yes we do have evidence and the original AWB did NOTHING to the statistics and the reason they started going down was because the AWB sun setted in 07.
Just look on the FBI website for the statistics.

The evidence that the AWB did "NOTHING to the statistics" Has absolutely nothing to do with what I was discussing. The slippery slope argument that Registering guns leads to confiscation of guns is the discussion.

[SteelCitySouth]

Originally Posted by RhythmicGeek

I think you are missing the point. The evidence he is speaking of is the evidence of the slippery slope you are claiming will happen.

Exactly...

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by WhoDeyJon

I can see you just don't want to understand this.

I see you refuse to acknowledge the difference.

Incorrect. I suppose you can keep saying it over and over, but you will still be wrong.



We've been through this one many times already and you aren't paying attention.



All kinds of assumptions in here. You have concluded things I have never even mentioned. Stop doing that.

Not assumptions. Deductive reasoning. Watch and learn.

Originally Posted by WhoDeyJon

Anyone else experiencing a complete ammo shortage in your area?

I have exhausted every option I know of, and can't really find much on the internet either. Is this just my area or did the whole country go haywire and start gobbling up ammo?

I'm talking .22 lr, 9mm, .40.

So I know your wife isn't using .22LR for home defense.

So that means she is using either a 9mm or a .40. Are you telling me she is using the .40 and you're using the 9mm?

If so, then if your wife can fire a .40 caliber handgun she can fire a .410 shotgun no problem.

If not, then your wife is using the 9mm and my deduction is correct.

Case closed, my dear Watson.

LOL. Yeah, sound theology doesn't matter in your world. Scripture disagrees. You may want to reread 2 Timothy 3:16-17 just to start.

Don't tell me. Tell the millions of Christians who disagree with you.

You want to pay for it?

When did you become a socialist.

If you can't afford the gunsmith, then you can't afford all that ammo.

Was 1994 all just a dream? You think these antigun liberals can't make this happen? Yes, I said, liberals, don't freak out. This is serious stuff, I take it seriously.

Any ban that allows gun show exemptions isn't really a ban. The legislation you are referring to had more holes than swiss cheese.

No, they can't make this happen.

I take serious stuff seriously. I take ridiculous stuff ridiculously. And I don't confuse the two.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by ICKYSHUFFLE

I want to see where someone went and got some little church woman who doesn't have experience with a powerful gun and get her to shoot said gun safely and without hurting themselves. I am fairly sure you would have a hard time just finding volunteers. But according to you anyone can do anything as long as you show them.

1. See Matt.

So by you comment saying I would like the banjo music in the video I assume you think anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is a backwoods redneck?
You really need to quit making assumptions.You seem like a fairly intelligent person but make way too broad statements.
You guys better watch out, if you have stuff made from China in your house Wingnut will accuse you of being Communist.

2. That's funny coming from the guy who wrote girls and shotguns usually don't mix.

[WhoDeyJon]

Not assumptions. Deductive reasoning. Watch and learn.


So I know your wife isn't using .22LR for home defense.

So that means she is using either a 9mm or a .40. Are you telling me she is using the .40 and you're using the 9mm?

If so, then if your wife can fire a .40 caliber handgun she can fire a .410 shotgun no problem.

If not, then your wife is using the 9mm and my deduction is correct.

Case closed, my dear Watson.

Again, more assumptions. Your deductions lead you to completely false answer.

Don't tell me. Tell the millions of Christians who disagree with you.

I do....and I just did with you.

When did you become a socialist.

If you can't afford the gunsmith, then you can't afford all that ammo.

Oh, another assumption.

No, they can't make this happen.

They said that in 1994.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by ICKYSHUFFLE

Like he said about the threaded barrel, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT?

No, I'm not going to pay to have the threads removed. It is his weapon. If threaded barrels are banned and he wants to keep his weapon I'm sure he will go out and pay for a gunsmith if he wants to keep it legally.

So him stating ACTUAL HISTORY is hypothetical? That Hitler, Mao, Paul Pot, and others didn't use this same model before they went on their genocides?
We don't fear gun restrictions because we are criminals we fear them because of what history has already proven.

Give me an example of a democracy similar to ours where the citizens had a constitutional right to bear arms and their government took all their guns away and launched a genocide.

Then show me where Feinstein's proposal rescinds your Second Amendment right.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by ICKYSHUFFLE

But everyone can shoot a 50 cal Desert Eagle or a .300win mag as long as Wingnut shows them.....
When I bought my Mosin there was a smaller guy there that was telling me of how a gun that size kicks like a mule and he didn't really like shooting them. He just hadn't met the great Dingnut to show him how to do it.

Again, WhoDeyJon has claimed his wife can't fire ANY shotgun. As proof, he has offered two examples of her firing 12 gauge shotguns. That does not constitute proof she can't fire ANY shotgun.

I've seen children who weigh approx. 60-80 lbs who can fire shotguns safely. That doesn't mean they can fire a 10 gauge with a 3.5" turkey load.

Despite what WhoDeyJon claims, unless his wife has a physical or mental disability, I know she can fire a shotgun.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by WhoDeyJon

Again, more assumptions. Your deductions lead you to completely false answer.




I do....and I just did with you.




Oh, another assumption.



They said that in 1994.

If a 60-80 lbs child whose age isn't even into double digits can safely fire a .410 shotgun, so can your wife.

You can deny it all you want.

I don't believe you.

Period.

[ICKYSHUFFLE]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

Read the stuff not in bold.

Thanks for confirming you didn't write "a lot" like you erroneously claimed.
If you see something "a lot" of times wouldn't be what you USUALLY see?
Same thing but I didn't go into specifics for you.

If you don't like people using sarcasm then don't use it yourself.
Well with all the insults you have been throwing around it is hard to take it as sarcasm. And I believe I have been respectfully stating my opinion this whole time until I got tired of your repeated insults that I called you dingnut in a post. SORRY

I don't find it funny at all. It's called sarcasm. Maybe you didn't notice, but "a lot" of men and weapons don't mix as well. That's why I believe safety courses should be mandatory
Thank you for proving my point.


I never wrote there weren't idiots out there in the world. Additionally, I never wrote all people can use any gun. I wrote I don't believe WhoDeyJons' wife can't fire a shotgun his own child can.
There you go making assumptions. With your training you think people can be trained to properly shoot a gun as do I but, that doesn't mean THEY will be up for it.

I'm just saying I understand why you are concerned about passing hypothetical ATF checks which may or may not happen sometime in the distant future, while I'm not. If you can't take a joke, don't make one. I thought a 6'5", 240lbs grown man would be a little tougher. I'm sorry. I'll try not to bruise your fragile psyche in the future.
So now they are jokes? Jokes you were using to try and discredit my opinion?
I am not concerned about passing a ATF check as I already have to purchase my guns, but I am concerned that they will make outrageous regulations where even you wouldn't pass.(Since you say your such a great person)

She will never have enough votes to pass her proposed bill in its current form. Period.
To the same argument you used against my opinions, this is pure speculation. She got a somewhat less restricted passed before why not now?

I don't even know where you're going with this one so you'll need to explain it to me. What is it about funding the military so they can do their job in Afghanistan, pay service members, maintain infrastructure, conduct training, buy bullets, etc you don't like?
I know it is done yearly, I guess I should have said the parts that Obama had put in that any citizen could be arrested indefinitely and sent to a prison anywhere in the world, without trial. Obama first denied it was in there, then said if it passed he wouldn't sign it but quickly signed it and pushed it through.

You tell me, hypocrite.
Like I said I feel I have been respectfully stating my opinion. I wouldn't have thought you were so soft with all the insults you have been slinging around.

http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/prod...2#currency=USD
Which one do you like? personally I like the first one...
Hey heres how to do it.

Wow, former Soviet Bloc armor? What is with you and communist weapons? I prefer to buy American if you don't mind.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7450661_bu...tary-tank.html
What were you saying again?

I was saying what is the shipping and handling on a T-72 from the former Czech Republic?
Are you sure you were saying that? I am pretty sure you said someone couldn't go and buy a tank. WELL, there you go.....And stop it with the shipping!!! If someone has the $ for a TANK I don't think the cost of getting it here is an issue. I'm fairly sure there might be a few already in the country that could be picked up.
Those links I found were from all of 2 minutes of a Google search. I figured you wouldn't have been talking out of your *** on this since you "know" so much.

You mean they passed the checks? Well, alllllllllll be! Again, what are you worried about?

EXACTLY!!!! If you're able to pass all the checks you are proven to be some of the most level headed and law abiding citizens in the country!!!! That's the point!!!! Ironically, you agree with me whether you realize it or not!!!! Luke, I am your father!!!!
I don't disagree with background checks for all gun sales(even I know it's all about the tax money since the majority of gun sales are private) BUT I absolutely disagree with bans. and I don't think someone should have to go through all the checks and pay the taxes on certain guns that the original AWB and the new one want to require.

[ICKYSHUFFLE]

Originally Posted by RhythmicGeek

I think you are missing the point. The evidence he is speaking of is the evidence of the slippery slope you are claiming will happen.

History Is the evidence of the slippery slope.
All the separate cases in the video link I posted about the history of gun control started with gun restrictions and bans.

[ICKYSHUFFLE]

Originally Posted by SteelCitySouth

The evidence that the AWB did "NOTHING to the statistics" Has absolutely nothing to do with what I was discussing. The slippery slope argument that Registering guns leads to confiscation of guns is the discussion.

Just watch the video I posted and you will know that the common thing that ties the start of most genocides is GUN REGISTRATION. It is so similar to what is happening today it gives me chills sometimes.

[RhythmicGeek]

Originally Posted by ICKYSHUFFLE

History Is the evidence of the slippery slope.
All the separate cases in the video link I posted about the history of gun control started with gun restrictions and bans.

I don't watch video links, because they are typically biased and I don't use the sound on my computer anyway (especially at work).

So, do you have any evidence showing a place where the people had a constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms where restrictions on the types of weapons allowed led to a complete ban by a democratically elected legislature?

[SteelCitySouth]

Originally Posted by ICKYSHUFFLE

I'm sure they were saying the same things you are before these things happened.
It could never happen here...this is 'MERICA!!!!

Hold on dearly to that straw man argument...

[ICKYSHUFFLE]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

1. See Matt.


2. That's funny coming from the guy who wrote girls and shotguns usually don't mix.

Coming from the guy that said in post 700
http://boards.bengals.com/showpost.p...&postcount=700
I don't find it funny at all. It's called sarcasm. Maybe you didn't notice, but "a lot" of men and weapons don't mix as well. That's why I believe safety courses should be mandatory.

Keep trying there buddy

[ICKYSHUFFLE]

Originally Posted by WhoDeyJon

Again, more assumptions. Your deductions lead you to completely false answer.




I do....and I just did with you.




Oh, another assumption.



They said that in 1994.

Exactly!

[ICKYSHUFFLE]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

No, I'm not going to pay to have the threads removed. It is his weapon. If threaded barrels are banned and he wants to keep his weapon I'm sure he will go out and pay for a gunsmith if he wants to keep it legally.


Give me an example of a democracy similar to ours where the citizens had a constitutional right to bear arms and their government took all their guns away and launched a genocide.

Then show me where Feinstein's proposal rescinds your Second Amendment right.

HE BOUGHT THE GUN LEGALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TO MODIFY IT!!!!!!!!!!
Is that clear enough for you?
What if the government said that you have to do Xthing to your car or you will be charged with a felony? It was on the car when you bought it and there wasn't any law against it. So would you be happy about having to shell out cash for that or be a felon? Or would you be ****** because you already spent a lot just to get the thing to begin with, and now you have to spend more or go to jail.


Why does the type or similarity matter. They had guns already and there wasn't a law against it so they are ALLOWED to have them.
And in some examples they banned them from having sharp objects and certain farming tools. I really wish you would watch the video instead of skipping through or watching the first couple minutes.
You don't think that evil power hungry people like the ones who have done these atrocities would want to take over the most powerful country in the world?
You don't think that some of the high power government officials couldn't be similar to unsuspecting people like the Aurora shooter, Mcveigh, Lanza, e.t.c.
What I mean is, most people who knew these people would tell you they never thought they could blow up a federal building, Shoot up a movie theater, kill a bunch of kids.
You say we need to restrict guns because of people like this but don't think that there could be Evil people like this holding high power jobs in the government. That love launching Drone strikes that kill 200 innocent people at a wedding for ONE person that was attending a wedding. Where is the outcry for that?

[ICKYSHUFFLE]

Originally Posted by RhythmicGeek

I don't watch video links, because they are typically biased and I don't use the sound on my computer anyway (especially at work).

So, do you have any evidence showing a place where the people had a constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms where restrictions on the types of weapons allowed led to a complete ban by a democratically elected legislature?

Oh you mean biased like Most major media outlets? I mean why wouldn't they be when they are owned by like three people...
Before this gets twisted around and blown WAY out of proportion, I take everything with a grain of salt no matter who the info comes from.
Just for a well known example Germany before WW2

[ICKYSHUFFLE]

Originally Posted by SteelCitySouth

Hold on dearly to that straw man argument...

And you just keep your blinders on and never questioning the government.
I guess the Founding Fathers were just paranoid when the put that amendment into the constitution and made it the SECOND ONE

[SteelCitySouth]

Originally Posted by ICKYSHUFFLE

And you just keep your blinders on and never questioning the government.
I guess the Founding Fathers were just paranoid when the put that amendment into the constitution and made it the SECOND ONE

I have no issue with questioning the government...I also agree with the Second Amendment...No where in the Second Amendment does it state that the Government can't regulate the purchase and sale of fire arms. It simply states that we have a right to own them.

Also…I get their paranoia; it was justified being what they had gone thought to gain independence. Our country is too moderate for the things you ultimately fear to become law. 1994 proves that beyond doubt. That piece of legislation was a farce (fine with me). No way, No how, in this country will you ever see hard draconian style gun regulations and bans. You are paranoid about shadows.

So now what?