Scouting The Sugar Bowl

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Okay. That's fine and dandy. Im just tired of the SS giving up huge plays because he went for a hit not a tackle.
Have fun with highlight reels, I'll take better football play.

I wouldn't say that was a problem this year. And with a guy like Zimmer who stresses fundamentals it wouldn't be hard for him to get a guy with all the ability in the world to realize the importance of getting the ball carrier to the ground.

Just because a guy makes big hits doesn't mean he can't tackle.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

I wouldn't say that was a problem this year. And with a guy like Zimmer who stresses fundamentals it wouldn't be hard for him to get a guy with all the ability in the world to realize the importance of getting the ball carrier to the ground.

Just because a guy makes big hits doesn't mean he can't tackle.

No it wasn't because we played guys who tackle and not go for big hits.
(Clements over Mays)

[pulses]

I still think Jefferson is the guy to take.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

No it wasn't because we played guys who tackle and not go for big hits.
(Clements over Mays)

Mays had defensive snaps in 12/16 games. Sure some were barely any snaps at all. But he got a good amount of playing time. Nelson isn't afraid to throw a big hit either.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

Mays had defensive snaps in 12/16 games. Sure some were barely any snaps at all. But he got a good amount of playing time. Nelson isn't afraid to throw a big hit either.

Mays was a starter who got benched after 1 game.

Im not saying NEVER go for a big hit, but you have to be very selective when you do. Reggie saves it for the plays where the guy is likely going out anyways or he can dislodge the ball. Elam does it too often in open field plays.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Mays was a starter who got benched after 1 game.

Im not saying NEVER go for a big hit, but you have to be very selective when you do. Reggie saves it for the plays where the guy is likely going out anyways or he can dislodge the ball. Elam does it too often in open field plays.

I don't think he is nearly as reckless as Mays when he goes in for the tackle. And I don't see anything that a little coaching can't fix.

For the record I think Mays was on too short of a leash this year.

[D's Nuts and Bolts]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Mays was a starter who got benched after 1 game.

Im not saying NEVER go for a big hit, but you have to be very selective when you do. Reggie saves it for the plays where the guy is likely going out anyways or he can dislodge the ball. Elam does it too often in open field plays.

Really the days of the big hit are over. and it's sad. The NFL and refs are calling every big hit a penalty. Remeber the ST block by I think Skuta that got called.

Nelson and other S's have started hitting low like they want, so when some big name WR/TE's go out with knee injuries maybe the NFL will re think some rules.

I think they are doing so when an ex player tries to sue they can say they tried to stop it.

Ronnie Lott would be band in today's NFL.

[Go Cards]

Originally Posted by Jasonew6

As a pure passer, and an NFL prospect, Bridgewater is better. But Braxton is scary good as a runner as well, and in an Urban Meyer offense that will be fully taken advantage of. Braxton will have a VERY good shot at the Heisman Trophy next season.

No way does Braxton beat out Bridgewater for Heisman. Even if Teddy loses. It will not be to Braxton. He stares down his WR's too much.

[Go Cards]

Elam looked fine to me, other than not wrapping up the one time. Our WR's are just too much to cover because Bridgewater throws to them all. He reads defenses easier than a Jack and Jill story.

Florida had the #1 defense against the hardest schedule in the nation. Only giving up 5 passing TD's all year. The true sophomore Bridgewater carved it up like a ginsu knife going through hot butter.

Gator Cookie Recipe. Take a Gator, throw it in the Sugar Bowl, and whip vigorously for 3 hours straight.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

I don't think he is nearly as reckless as Mays when he goes in for the tackle. And I don't see anything that a little coaching can't fix.

For the record I think Mays was on too short of a leash this year.

A few UF players got personal fouls last night; Elam wasn't one. He plays the way he is coached. NEPD did an in depth analysis diring the South Carolina v. Florida game and here's what they had to say:

Originally Posted by NEPD

#22 Matt Elam, SAF
- Shot out of a cannon after reading the screen, best form tackler in America built like a truck

- Takes such good angles on screens and always delivers the hit, runs through players

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/...-carolina.html

Even Spielman was complimenting his tackling at the end of the game last night. It's not like he doesn't know how to tackle; he's probably just been instructed to be an intimidator.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by bfine32

A few UF players got personal fouls last night; Elam wasn't one. He plays the way he is coached.

Not for lack of trying....

[pulses]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Not for lack of trying....

He just wishes he could hit like Clowney lol:)

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by pulses

He just wishes he could hit like Clowney lol:)

I wouldn't be surprised if he got suspended for that hit in the NFL.
plays for Bengals, helmet to helmet on a defenseless receiver, left his feet...
Goodell would splooge punishing him

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Not for lack of trying....

He did everything right on that play. wtf do you want him to do, get even lower and wrap the guy around the legs that that are bent and basically on the ground?

He was running full speed at the guy in the process of breaking down to make a hit when the guy raised and turned his head. Incidental contact.

It's football if you have the ball there are 11 guys on the other team who want to hit you.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

He did everything right on that play. wtf do you want him to do, get even lower and wrap the guy around the legs that that are bent and basically on the ground?

He was running full speed at the guy in the process of breaking down to make a hit when the guy raised and turned his head. Incidental contact.

It's football if you have the ball there are 11 guys on the other team who want to hit you.

Well the play is dead if he just touches the guy in the NFL and in college the play is dead because his knees hit the ground and it wasnt a catch.
He had plenty of time to pull up there.
It wasn't incidental at all.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Well the play is dead if he just touches the guy in the NFL and in college the play is dead because his knees hit the ground and it wasnt a catch.
He had plenty of time to pull up there.
It wasn't incidental at all.

They ruled that a catch on the field and overturned it on review.

One does not simply pull up when running full speed at guy in the process of making a catch.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

They ruled that a catch on the field and overturned it on review.

One does not simply pull up when running full speed at guy in the process of making a catch.

No, but he had plenty of time and distance to alter his hit and decide when and were to hit him.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

No, but he had plenty of time and distance to alter his hit and decide when and were to hit him.

You act like he is hitting a stationary object. Even football players have to obey the laws of physics. Maybe if he was Mr Fantastic he could have avoided the helmet to helmet.

You are right though, he probably should have at least submitted a preliminary research paper (3-5pg) before deciding when and where to make that hit.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

You act like he is hitting a stationary object. Even football players have to obey the laws of physics. Maybe if he was Mr Fantastic he could have avoided the helmet to helmet.

You are right though, he probably should have at least submitted a preliminary research paper (3-5pg) before deciding when and where to make that hit.

Even it is ruled a catch he was down. Absolutely no reason to even hit him.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Even it is ruled a catch he was down. Absolutely no reason to even hit him.

Unless the receiver was juggling the ball and you were trying to seperate him from the ball, plus I'm pretty sure the whistle hadn't blown.

Play to the whistle, right?

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Unless the receiver was juggling the ball and you were trying to seperate him from the ball, plus I'm pretty sure the whistle hadn't blown.

Play to the whistle, right?

Or play smart. Either one.
Run up and push him over.
Don't dive head first into him.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Or play smart. Either one.
Run up and push him over.

The odds of that seperating the ball from a reciever that is juggling it is slim.


The play was not a penalty.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Even it is ruled a catch he was down. Absolutely no reason to even hit him.

He is a DB which is short for DEFENSIVE back. Part of his job description includes defending the pass. Attempting to separate the ball from the receiver is a tactic defenders commonly employ at all levels of American football. Some people call this playing defense.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

He is a DB which is short for DEFENSIVE back. Part of his job description includes defending the pass. Attempting to separate the ball from the receiver is a tactic defenders commonly employ at all levels of American football. Some people call this playing defense.

THE GUY WOULD HAVE BEEN DOWN ANY WAYS.
He left his feet. Lead with his head.
There is no way to defend this. That is a 15 yard penalty and fine in the NFL.
Lord Goodell would make sure of that.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Or play smart. Either one.
Run up and push him over.
Don't dive head first into him.

How else should he lead? Waist first with a vicious groin thrust or perhaps he should implement the missile drop kick tactic.

I don't know what you expect guys to do. No matter what, a proper tackle involves hitting with your upper body. And at the top, the thing that goes first when you lean forward. That is your head.