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[basballguy]

Mike Mayock is calling the game on Saturday.

4 more hours about him still claiming he was right about Burfict being undraftable.

[fredtoast]

1. I like Mayock. I am glad he is calling our game.

2. He was right. Burfict was undraftable. You only take a chance on a guy like that as a free agent.

[eoxyod]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

1. I like Mayock. I am glad he is calling our game.

2. He was right. Burfict was undraftable. You only take a chance on a guy like that as a free agent.

This and this

[Burma]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

1. I like Mayock. I am glad he is calling our game.

2. He was right. Burfict was undraftable. You only take a chance on a guy like that as a free agent.

I have to agree with Fred on both points.

Mayock is great. I actually learn things from him about football nearly everytime I watch him. I can see his lisp and enthusiasm may annoy some, but he and jaws are my favs:.

[basballguy]

I never said he was bad or was wrong.....just get tired of hearing it for hours on end from him. geeze

[UCMehayward]

It would be GREAT to hear him talk mess about Burfict and then right in the middle of his sentence he causes a fumble or intercepts the ball! lol. I predict him to have a WALE of a game.

[BengalzHacker]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

1. I like Mayock. I am glad he is calling our game.

2. He was right. Burfict was undraftable. You only take a chance on a guy like that as a free agent.

Originally Posted by eoxyod

This and this

Originally Posted by Burma

I have to agree with Fred on both points.

Mayock is great. I actually learn things from him about football nearly everytime I watch him. I can see his lisp and enthusiasm may annoy some, but he and jaws are my favs:.

I'm with you guys. Mayock generally knows his stuff and has a good feel for the draft. I will say, there are times he talks too much during games, but by and large he's better than a number of other possibilities.

[Thorobredbullies]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

1. I like Mayock. I am glad he is calling our game.

2. He was right. Burfict was undraftable. You only take a chance on a guy like that as a free agent.

Mayock said he didn't like Burfict as a football player, he claimed he didn't have what it took to be successful talent wise. He was wrong. Alfonso Denard got drafted a week after he punched a cop, Burfict WAS draftable 6/7th round would not have been too big of a risk. The problem with Mayock is his inability to admit he was wrong. While I like Lamur and think he's got a good future, it was ridiculous the number of times Mayock brought up how great he was and how much he liked him while doing his best to ignore Burfict.

[BengalzHacker]

Originally Posted by Thorobredbullies

Mayock said he didn't like Burfict as a football player, he claimed he didn't have what it took to be successful talent wise. He was wrong. Alfonso Denard got drafted a week after he punched a cop, Burfict WAS draftable 6/7th round would not have been too big of a risk. The problem with Mayock is his inability to admit he was wrong. While I like Lamur and think he's got a good future, it was ridiculous the number of times Mayock brought up how great he was and how much he liked him while doing his best to ignore Burfict.

If Mayock said that, I'd be surprised if that is a direct quote from him, he'd have been wrong.

HOWEVER, Burfict wasn't drafted, thus NOT DRAFTABLE. By your definition any one with even a sliver of talent is "draftable". In that regard, you are technically correct, but the spirit of what Mayock meant is that no team would risk drafting him and none of them did.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by basballguy

Mike Mayock is calling the game on Saturday.

4 more hours about him still claiming he was right about Burfict being undraftable.

It was a fact that Burfict was undraftable. That is why we got him as an UDFA.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Thorobredbullies

Mayock said he didn't like Burfict as a football player, he claimed he didn't have what it took to be successful talent wise. He was wrong. Alfonso Denard got drafted a week after he punched a cop, Burfict WAS draftable 6/7th round would not have been too big of a risk. The problem with Mayock is his inability to admit he was wrong. While I like Lamur and think he's got a good future, it was ridiculous the number of times Mayock brought up how great he was and how much he liked him while doing his best to ignore Burfict.

It would appear the entire NFL did not agree with your assessment and I doubt it was because Mayock said so.

[Xs&Os]

I disagree that Mayock was correct is stating that Burfict was undraftable. Stating that a player is undraftable, at the very least implies that there is a great degree of certainty that the player's flaws in terms of charactar and/or ability, will place the Team in a position of compromise. Undraftable mean more than just a bust.
He was wrong. As were many others.
In terms of Mayock as a color commentator, after a while it get too much. At times during the game he seems to forget that he is not in the studio breaking down a game, and thus feels the need to make a technical comment about every play.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Xs&Os

I disagree that Mayock was correct is stating that Burfict was undraftable. Stating that a player is undraftable, at the very least implies that there is a great degree of certainty that the player's flaws in terms of charactar and/or ability, will place the Team in a position of compromise. Undraftable mean more than just a bust.
He was wrong. As were many others.
In terms of Mayock as a color commentator, after a while it get too much. At times during the game he seems to forget that he is not in the studio breaking down a game, and thus feels the need to make a technical comment about every play.

When did Burfict get drafted?

[Xs&Os]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

When did Burfict get drafted?

Has he put the Bengals in a position of compromise?

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Xs&Os

I disagree that Mayock was correct is stating that Burfict was undraftable. Stating that a player is undraftable, at the very least implies that there is a great degree of certainty that the player's flaws in terms of charactar and/or ability, will place the Team in a position of compromise. Undraftable mean more than just a bust.
He was wrong. As were many others.
In terms of Mayock as a color commentator, after a while it get too much. At times during the game he seems to forget that he is not in the studio breaking down a game, and thus feels the need to make a technical comment about every play.

How do you figure they were wrong? You have zero way of knowing what would have happened had he been drafted. It could be hitting rock bottom that sparked the change. It could have been the connection with Marvin Lewis that sparked the change.

Funny how you consider the entire NFL wrong as if they just make these determinations on a whim.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Xs&Os

Has he put the Bengals in a position of compromise?

Not the question nor the point.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Xs&Os

Has he put the Bengals in a position of compromise?

What does that have to do with anything?
He had serious issues as a player his final year at ASU. Came in fat and out of shape to the combine. Stunk it up. Was reportedly uncoachable by the ASU staff.

He was undraftable at that point. Anything beyond that is absolutely 100% irrelevant to the point Mayock made.

[Xs&Os]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

How do you figure they were wrong? You have zero way of knowing what would have happened had he been drafted. It could be hitting rock bottom that sparked the change. It could have been the connection with Marvin Lewis that sparked the change.

Funny how you consider the entire NFL wrong as if they just make these determinations on a whim.

And you have zero way of knowing that he would not have done the same if he were drafted.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Xs&Os

And you have zero way of knowing that he would not have done the same if he were drafted.

Except he wasn't.
32 teams felt he was undraftable on top of Mayock.
How was he wrong?

[Xs&Os]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

What does that have to do with anything?
He had serious issues as a player his final year at ASU. Came in fat and out of shape to the combine. Stunk it up. Was reportedly uncoachable by the ASU staff.

He was undraftable at that point. Anything beyond that is absolutely 100% irrelevant to the point Mayock made.

What he has done thus far for this Team is absolutely relevant. To declare someone as undraftable, is an opinion based on the past, projected into the future.
In this case, the future projection has not come to fruition. Therefore, the designation as underfatable is unjustified.

[Xs&Os]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Except he wasn't.
32 teams felt he was undraftable on top of Mayock.
How was he wrong?

127 Tackles. No on-field or off-field issues. That is how he was wrong.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Xs&Os

And you have zero way of knowing that he would not have done the same if he were drafted.

However, I have the knowledge that the ENTIRE NFL passed on him. Do you have any idea the countless hours teams spend researching nearly everything about these prospects. The league did not make their determination due to Mayock saying something.

It is alright really. Yes he was undraftable and yes he has become a good story of change.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Xs&Os

What he has done thus far for this Team is absolutely relevant. To declare someobe as undraftable, is an opinion based on the past, projected into the future.
In this case, the future projection has not come to fruition. Therefore, the deignation as underfatable is unjustified.

What are you talking about?
You are applying your own weird *** criteria.
Being undraftable has nothing to do with a guy does after the draft.

He was lazy, out of shape, prone to personal fouls, undisciplined, didn't get along with coaches, stunk up the combine...what is that if not undraftable?

You can't project what the rock bottom of not being drafted can do for a guy.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Xs&Os

127 Tackles. No on-field or off-field issues. That is how he was wrong.

When did Burfict get drafted again?
You still havent answered that.
Or do you want to go back and try defending how Geno Atkins is the problem with our defense again?

[momadance02]

Originally Posted by Xs&Os

127 Tackles. No on-field or off-field issues. That is how he was wrong.

He was still undraftable.