Ray Lewis to retire.

[Bengals Mike]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

If hes healthy enough to play.... Really if hes still hurt and tries to play he might not go out in the blaze of glory he expects.



I ment as in a Murder of Ravens but apparently a group of ravens is called An "Unkindness"

Just him taking the field and in uniform can be the spark that ignites the Ravens, obviously he's not going to have a career day but I can see the team rallying around his presence in the same way they did to the Bengals after Art Modell passed away - I'm not saying blowout win but they could play at another level like the Colts did in their games with Pagano

[STC]

Everyone in the media slobbers all over Ray about how he's this great leader of men and mentor and this and that, etc. Everyone forgets about his little incident. Kind of like how they forget Kobe is a rapist. It's sad that all you have to do is win and shady people become innocent in the court of public opinion.

[Bengals Mike]

Originally Posted by STC

Everyone in the media slobbers all over Ray about how he's this great leader of men and mentor and this and that, etc. Everyone forgets about his little incident. Kind of like how they forget Kobe is a rapist. It's sad that all you have to do is win and shady people become innocent in the court of public opinion.

Well look at those Ravens teams and how else do you explain why they've won so much in the last decade? it sure wasn't because of their offense and he's generally well respected across the league by players and fans alike. By no means was what he did before right at all but you talk about off field incidents, something like that would be a tremendous distraction and Ray managed to win a Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP in the year right after that and he's cleaned himself up from any trouble from that thanks to his faith

but a doublestandard applies when we have someone like Adam Jones on the Bengals who participated in almost the same act and has been in trouble repeatedly after his big incident but he's ok because he's a Bengal and deserved his repeated chances and Ray Lewis isn't ok because he got in trouble once and cleaned up his act after it? Personally I'm glad to see them both doing well but I dont hold a grudge with either of them for their incidents with the law before and I'm glad to see they've both improved themselves from it althought it took Jones a few times before he finally did it

[STC]

Originally Posted by Bengals Mike

Well look at those Ravens teams and how else do you explain why they've won so much in the last decade? it sure wasn't because of their offense and he's generally well respected across the league by players and fans alike. By no means was what he did before right at all but you talk about off field incidents, something like that would be a tremendous distraction and Ray managed to win a Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP in the year right after that and he's cleaned himself up from any trouble from that thanks to his faith

but a doublestandard applies when we have someone like Adam Jones on the Bengals who participated in almost the same act and has been in trouble repeatedly after his big incident but he's ok because he's a Bengal and deserved his repeated chances and Ray Lewis isn't ok because he got in trouble once and cleaned up his act after it?

I'm not saying he wasn't a great leader, I'm just saying that winning makes people forget.

I didn't say anything about Adam Jones, and didn't forget what he did either. As a matter of fact, just the other day I was just telling someone unfamiliar with him about all his endeavors.

[Bengals Mike]

Originally Posted by STC

I'm not saying he wasn't a great leader, I'm just saying that winning makes people forget.

I didn't say anything about Adam Jones, and didn't forget what he did either. As a matter of fact, just the other day I was just telling someone unfamiliar with him about all his endeavors.

my bad, I know you didnt mention Jones specifically but its a generalization of how some people cut up Ray Lewis and look the other way on Adam Jones, I mean that's a glass house analogy at its finest right there

To me Ray has done so much in his football career where the first thing I think of when someone mentions him is his football career and not his incident, whereas with Adam Jones he hasnt done enough or so much where Las Vegas is still the first thing people think of when it comes to him

[STC]

Originally Posted by Bengals Mike

my bad, I know you didnt mention Jones specifically but its a generalization of how some people cut up Ray Lewis and look the other way on Adam Jones, I mean that's a glass house analogy at its finest right there

To me Ray has done so much in his football career where the first thing I think of when someone mentions him is his football career and not his incident, whereas with Adam Jones he hasnt done enough or so much where Las Vegas is still the first thing people think of when it comes to him

That's kind of what I was getting at. IF Adam Jones played to the level that some of the all-time greats have reached, people would think about his football career first. I'm not sure there's a right or wrong about it, I just know I don't forget those things when the media portrays 52 as a God.

[Bengals Mike]

Originally Posted by STC

That's kind of what I was getting at. IF Adam Jones played to the level that some of the all-time greats have reached, people would think about his football career first. I'm not sure there's a right or wrong about it, I just know I don't forget those things when the media portrays 52 as a God.

Well it doesnt change what happened before and again of course it wasn't right, but he's done so much on and off the field where it's changed his image for the better both on and off the field where on the field he's considered one of the greatest players at his position ever and off the field he's popular with his endorsements and charitable work and his faith, I mean something like his incident could have dogged him for his entire career and his life and not only has he not allowed it to affect but he's made himself a better person from it too

[STC]

Originally Posted by Bengals Mike

Well it doesnt change what happened before and again of course it wasn't right, but he's done so much on and off the field where it's changed his image for the better both on and off the field where on the field he's considered one of the greatest players at his position ever and off the field he's popular with his endorsements and charitable work and his faith, I mean something like his incident could have dogged him for his entire career and his life and not only has he not allowed it to affect but he's made himself a better person from it too

You're right. They could use him as an example of how to turn things around instead of just pretending like nothing ever happened.

By the way, I wasn't really paying attention to your sig before. That play makes me very happy every time I see it. Although its something I could very much see the Bengals of old pulling off.

[Bengals Mike]

Originally Posted by STC

You're right. They could use him as an example of how to turn things around instead of just pretending like nothing ever happened.

By the way, I wasn't really paying attention to your sig before. That play makes me very happy every time I see it. Although its something I could very much see the Bengals of old pulling off.

Well that's another way Ray could be viewed, actually that's the most positive way I look at Adam Jones as he was a speaker at one of the rookie symposiums this year and he spoke on behaviour and his experiences basically saying he was what not to do off the field

That play was the most hilarious thing I've ever seen in a football game, I've had it on my sig since thanksgiving and I always get a kick out of it even seeing it every day

[Chop Block]

i dislike that guy he's a showboat and try to act like he's king of the world..looking at the camera he give's is ugly face ..a murder goes in the HOF a long with drug dealers..in this i do not trust..:frown..: we have not heard that last of him..you can bank on that..

[Storm]

Originally Posted by STC

Everyone in the media slobbers all over Ray about how he's this great leader of men and mentor and this and that, etc. Everyone forgets about his little incident. Kind of like how they forget Kobe is a rapist. It's sad that all you have to do is win and shady people become innocent in the court of public opinion.

Not just winning, becoming famous erases peoples memories of crimes

Ted Kennedy and Roman Pulanski comes to mind

[ishouldbegm]

damn i actually enjoyed watching him over the years

[coachmcneil71]

Ray has been a great football player, no doubt, but I have it on very good authority that he did get away with murder in ATL.
It's funny because he suddenly turned his "life over to Jesus" immediately after his acquittal.
I believe my source on this subject and am convinced that he IS a murderer.

[Fan_in_Kettering]

This cuts so deep...

[Sher Khan]

The Statute of Limitations was up.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by kurgan74

I would not mind it at all if Marvin offered Ray a position with the team as a scout or an assistant.

Ray's gameday preparation is legendary.

How about as a LB coach?

[Frenchman]

Seventeen years is a lot! As usually it is 3-5 years for the average NFL player!

[Redfox]

Originally Posted by The Dalton Gang

Pretty big news. I won't miss MurderRay

He helped murder a man so i want miss the SOB.