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How else should he lead? Waist first with a vicious groin thrust or perhaps he should implement the missile drop kick tactic.

I don't know what you expect guys to do. No matter what, a proper tackle involves hitting with your upper body. And at the top, the thing that goes first when you lean forward. That is your head.
facemask to the chest. Shoulder to the chest.
Proper form.
Not throwing head first into a guy.

Missile drop kick? I get you are trying to be funny but is it any dumber than the missile head first dive he actually did?
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facemask to the chest. Shoulder to the chest.
Proper form.
Not throwing head first into a guy.

Missile drop kick? I get you are trying to be funny but is it any dumber than the missile head first dive he actually did?
This is just silly. Ref was right there and didn't throw the flag. It was a good play. All you have is your assumptions.

Even the announcers in the booth said how it was textbook when they saw it at game speed.
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THE GUY WOULD HAVE BEEN DOWN ANY WAYS.
He left his feet. Lead with his head.
There is no way to defend this. That is a 15 yard penalty and fine in the NFL.
Lord Goodell would make sure of that.
He is correct about this. Five years ago this would have been considered a good clean hit but in todays NFL or NCAA this hit is considered illegal.
He was very lucky that he didn't get a big fat penalty for that hit. My biggest beef is not with the hit but with the way these hits are being officiated on both levels.
At the moment there is WAY to much inconsistency in the way these hits are being called in games.
If you go by the current rules that is a penalty but they chose to let it go this time.
The inconsistent officiating is currently my biggest beef with the way the game has evolved.
It's really irrelevant now that the game is over and Elam has a bright future at the next level no matter how you slice it.
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THE GUY WOULD HAVE BEEN DOWN ANY WAYS.
He left his feet. Lead with his head.
There is no way to defend this. That is a 15 yard penalty and fine in the NFL.
Lord Goodell would make sure of that.
If the guy didn't clearly possess and control the ball until that knee was off the ground he would not have been down.

Your definition of leaving of the feet is way off. Under your judgement I guess when I pick my foot up to move it forward as I am walking I am leaving my feet.

My way of defending this is the ref whose head comes into the bottom of the picture of that gif, who is paid to rule on this type of thing, agreed with me when it happened in real time.
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No way does Braxton beat out Bridgewater for Heisman. Even if Teddy loses. It will not be to Braxton. He stares down his WR's too much.
You know Braxton finished 5th this year, and TB wasn't even in the top 10, right?
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You know Braxton finished 5th this year, and TB wasn't even in the top 10, right?
One goes to Louisville and one goes to OSU.
That might factor in somewhat.

Let's see what happens now that Teddy had his "moment" on national TV
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He is correct about this. Five years ago this would have been considered a good clean hit but in todays NFL or NCAA this hit is considered illegal.
He was very lucky that he didn't get a big fat penalty for that hit. My biggest beef is not with the hit but with the way these hits are being officiated on both levels.
At the moment there is WAY to much inconsistency in the way these hits are being called in games.
If you go by the current rules that is a penalty but they chose to let it go this time.
The inconsistent officiating is currently my biggest beef with the way the game has evolved.
It's really irrelevant now that the game is over and Elam has a bright future at the next level no matter how you slice it.
Agreed.

Defenseless receiver you can not hit in the head.
Ball carrier advancing the ball you can hit in the head.

And the advantage is already to the offense. There is only so much a defender can do when the position of guy you are trying to tackle changes. You go in lined up to make a form tackle and the ball carrier ducks down causing helmet to helmet. That should never be a penalty.

Take the damn face masks off and guys will quit using their head as a weapon and as a shield.
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Agreed.

Defenseless receiver you can not hit in the head.
Ball carrier advancing the ball you can hit in the head.

And the advantage is already to the offense. There is only so much a defender can do when the position of guy you are trying to tackle changes. You go in lined up to make a form tackle and the ball carrier ducks down causing helmet to helmet. That should never be a penalty.

Take the damn face masks off and guys will quit using their head as a weapon and as a shield.
And the WR was clearly the defenseless variety.
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You know Braxton finished 5th this year, and TB wasn't even in the top 10, right?
That speaks more to the terrible class this year than anything else. If not for Manziel going into complete boss mode and saving the sanctity of the trophy it would have been a joke this year. First they tried to give it to Geno before he choked, then it was Klein who ****** it away. The fact that Manti Te'o was even considered for it, let alone a front runner, spoke to the total desperation of the situation this year.
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One goes to Louisville and one goes to OSU.
That might factor in somewhat.

Let's see what happens now that Teddy had his "moment" on national TV
That will still be true in 2013.

And as good as TB looked last night, Louisville still lost 2 games last year, and very nearly lost to UC. OSU was undefeated and will likely be in the preseason top 3 this year. And OSU has a Percy Harvin type in this coming recruiting class.
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That speaks more to the terrible class this year than anything else. If not for Manziel going into complete boss mode and saving the sanctity of the trophy it would have been a joke this year. First they tried to give it to Geno before he choked, then it was Klein who ****** it away. The fact that Manti Te'o was even considered for it, let alone a front runne, spoke to the total desperation of the situation this year.
My point is though that if Braxton is so much worse than Teddy, why was he in the top 10 and TB was not?
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My point is though that if Braxton is so much worse than Teddy, why was he in the top 10 and TB was not?
Name recognition for OSU and an undefeated season carries a lot of inertia that is hard to overcome. If any of the voters watched a 50% healthy Bridgewater carve up Rutgers in Rutgers on Thursday night football he would have garnered more votes. That kid is a real football player and should be a front runner next year. Unfortunately for him going undefeated in the big east means squat though so he needs another huge performance in a BCS bowl to really have a chance.
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Name recognition for OSU and an undefeated season carries a lot of inertia that is hard to overcome. If any of the voters watched a 50% healthy Bridgewater carve up Rutgers in Rutgers on Thursday night football he would have garnered more votes. That kid is a real football player and should be a front runner next year. Unfortunately for him going undefeated in the big east means squat though so he needs another huge performance in a BCS bowl to really have a chance.
I agree with all of this.
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My point is though that if Braxton is so much worse than Teddy, why was he in the top 10 and TB was not?
Braxton is nothing more than a college QB, teddy's not. that is your difference!
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And the WR was clearly the defenseless variety.
Looked like he was in the process of making a football move to me.
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Looked like he was in the process of making a football move to me.
Uh he was trying to catch the football.
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Uh he was trying to catch the football.
He was trying to advance the ball before he secured it. Something that happens quite often. Taking his eyes off the ball and positioning his body run up field.

But whatever. It wasn't a penalty and was ruled a catch before being overturned.
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Uh he was trying to catch the football.
And he was on his knees, so he was down
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He was trying to advance the ball before he secured it. Something that happens quite often. Taking his eyes off the ball and positioning his body run up field.

But whatever. It wasn't a penalty and was ruled a catch before being overturned.
Lol. Wasn't a penalty because that game was an abomination the first half in Florida's favor.

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Yep. No real excuse for the hit like that.
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Lol. Wasn't a penalty because that game was an abomination the first half in Florida's favor.



Yep. No real excuse for the hit like that.
Except the personal foul against Florida on the first play of the game.

I think playing good hard nosed defense and contesting every catch is an excuse. I'm starting to think you would have a major problem with the physicality of the lingerie league.
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Braxton is nothing more than a college QB, teddy's not. that is your difference!
The Heisman is a college trophy, is it not?
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Name recognition for OSU and an undefeated season carries a lot of inertia that is hard to overcome. If any of the voters watched a 50% healthy Bridgewater carve up Rutgers in Rutgers on Thursday night football he would have garnered more votes. That kid is a real football player and should be a front runner next year. Unfortunately for him going undefeated in the big east means squat though so he needs another huge performance in a BCS bowl to really have a chance.
How will that help? The trophy is given out before the bowl season starts.
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Except the personal foul against Florida on the first play of the game.

I think playing good hard nosed defense and contesting every catch is an excuse. I'm starting to think you would have a major problem with the physicality of the lingerie league.
You mean the PUNCH?
Christ man, not wanting a ******* illegal hit on my team is totally not the same as not appreciating a good hit.
It was a dirty hit. It should have been flagged. It will get flagged in the NFL.
There is no defense of that hit.
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How will that help? The trophy is given out before the bowl season starts.
yeah, brain fart on my part.
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You mean the PUNCH?
Christ man, not wanting a ******* illegal hit on my team is totally not the same as not appreciating a good hit.
It was a dirty hit. It should have been flagged. It will get flagged in the NFL.
There is no defense of that hit.
I was talking about the late hit on Teddy.

It was not dirty. You don't let a guy catch a ball uncontested. And had the guy not changed positions a fraction of a second before contact helmet to helmet would not have happened.
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