Interesting quote about Burfict by Marv

[flyinryan]

http://arizonasports.com/44/1599463/...kid-is-special

"Marvin Lewis, sitting around a table with me in a production meeting, looked at me and the guys I was with and said, 'Vontaze Burfict may be one of the top three guys I have ever been around on the defensive side of the football, ever,'" Tasker added.

This particular paragraph stuck out to me. Marvin is already claiming Vontaze is one of the top 3 defenders Marvin has ever been around. You have got to figure Ray Lewis is #1. I wonder who #2 would be. Regardless, I now firmly believe the head coach who believes a player has this kind of ability will push for him to be the quarterback of our defense and take over the MIKE position. You just don't let a kid with this kind of ability stay at a position with less impact when he can do even more.

[thompson19osu]

Originally Posted by flyinryan

http://arizonasports.com/44/1599463/...kid-is-special

"Marvin Lewis, sitting around a table with me in a production meeting, looked at me and the guys I was with and said, 'Vontaze Burfict may be one of the top three guys I have ever been around on the defensive side of the football, ever,'" Tasker added.

This particular paragraph stuck out to me. Marvin is already claiming Vontaze is one of the top 3 defenders Marvin has ever been around. You have got to figure Ray Lewis is #1. I wonder who #2 would be. Regardless, I now firmly believe the head coach who believes a player has this kind of ability will push for him to be the quarterback of our defense and take over the MIKE position. You just don't let a kid with this kind of ability stay at a position with less impact when he can do even more.

Undrafted ROOKIE and he just made 18 tackles in the last game. 12 of which I believe were solo tackles. The kid is a freak. I love that Marvin took a chance on him and I think Burfict will be loyal to the organization for giving him a chance. Excited to see what he could bring in the future.

[Shady]

#2 = Ed Reid?

[flyinryan]

Originally Posted by Shady

#2 = Ed Reid?

That is also my first/best guess. Great company for a rookie to be in.

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by Shady

#2 = Ed Reid?

^ That would be my guess too.

[jdmac4]

We have something really special on our hands here. He is the most dominant LB I have seen in strips since a guy named Odel. You cannot teach instincts and he has them in spades. I am just glad that Taze is avoiding the pitfalls that ended Odel's career way to early.

[Luvnit2]

Originally Posted by thompson19osu

Undrafted ROOKIE and he just made 18 tackles in the last game. 12 of which I believe were solo tackles. The kid is a freak. I love that Marvin took a chance on him and I think Burfict will be loyal to the organization for giving him a chance. Excited to see what he could bring in the future.

Keep in mind that half our fan base wants Marvin fired still or the GM. I don't see us getting a GM so if Lewis is canned, my guess Burfict's loyalty would be to Lewis and not the Bengals organization.

[Shady]

And the most enticing thing about him is that he's still developing. Wait until he moves to Mike and gets comfortable in that position. Plus, I think he still has some conditioning to do. We can make him Bigger. Stronger. Faster.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

People read too much into these things.

I have almost 20 guys better than Burfict, that Marv has coached in his tenure, in terms of ability, NOT in order:

Rod Woodson
Peter Boulware
Ray Lewis
Jamie Sharper
Chris McCallister(sp?)
Michael McCrary
Sam Adams
Rob Burnett
LeVon Kirkland
Jason Gildon
Leon Hall
Justin Smith
Geno Atkins
Brian Simmons
Jonathan Joseph
Hardy Nickerson (whom Burfict will NEVER surpass, ever).
Carnell Lake
Kevin Greene
Greg Lloyd
Chad Brown
Eric Turner (one of the forgotten GREAT safeties)
LaVarr Arrington
Jessie Armstead
Bruce Smith (I think, don't know if he retired yet)
Champ Bailey
Darrell Green
Jeremiah Trotter

And that's merely off the top of my head.

27 guys that as of right now, Burfict isn't even in the remote area of being considered as good as. Hall of Famers, multiple PBers, All-Pro guys, and the list is even made up of PREDOMINANTLY LBers.

I'm not knocking on Burfict in the slightest, and he still had a decent season for the most part (better if you consider the path he took, but that's irrelevant to performance only), but the absolutely ridiculous boosting of him is just over-the-top.

And it makes me laugh that Marv says BS like this, when he knows that he coached absolute freaks in Nickerson, Boulware, Lewis, Arrington, Greene, Brown and Lloyd at LB, who were COMPLETE players, good in coverage, rushing, and vs the run, AND they showed this ability from their first year 'til they retired.

Burfict hasn't even showed he's competent in TWO of these areas; so far he's only a run beast.

[Luvnit2]

Originally Posted by Truck_1_0_1_

People read too much into these things.

I have almost 20 guys better than Burfict, that Marv has coached in his tenure, in terms of ability, NOT in order:

Rod Woodson
Peter Boulware
Ray Lewis
Jamie Sharper
Chris McCallister(sp?)
Michael McCrary
Sam Adams
Rob Burnett
LeVon Kirkland
Jason Gildon
Leon Hall
Justin Smith
Geno Atkins
Brian Simmons
Jonathan Joseph
Hardy Nickerson (whom Burfict will NEVER surpass, ever).
Carnell Lake
Kevin Greene
Greg Lloyd
Chad Brown
Eric Turner (one of the forgotten GREAT safeties)
LaVarr Arrington
Jessie Armstead
Bruce Smith (I think, don't know if he retired yet)
Champ Bailey
Darrell Green
Jeremiah Trotter

And that's merely off the top of my head.

27 guys that as of right now, Burfict isn't even in the remote area of being considered as good as. Hall of Famers, multiple PBers, All-Pro guys, and the list is even made up of PREDOMINANTLY LBers.

I'm not knocking on Burfict in the slightest, and he still had a decent season for the most part (better if you consider the path he took, but that's irrelevant to performance only), but the absolutely ridiculous boosting of him is just over-the-top.

And it makes me laugh that Marv says BS like this, when he knows that he coached absolute freaks in Nickerson, Boulware, Lewis, Arrington, Greene, Brown and Lloyd at LB, who were COMPLETE players, good in coverage, rushing, and vs the run, AND they showed this ability from their first year 'til they retired.

Burfict hasn't even showed he's competent in TWO of these areas; so far he's only a run beast.

Sorry, but the fact you are acting like you know more than a head coach is comical. He watched these guys practice and play every game. Seriously, why do fans think they know more than a coaching staff or a head coach?

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Originally Posted by Shady

#2 = Ed Reid?

Originally Posted by flyinryan

That is also my first/best guess. Great company for a rookie to be in.

Originally Posted by Rattler

^ That would be my guess too.

Just goes to show the knowledge of this board.

Lewis was in Washington when Reed was drafted.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Originally Posted by Luvnit2

Sorry, but the fact you are acting like you know more than a head coach is comical. He watched these guys practice and play every game. Seriously, why do fans think they know more than a coaching staff or a head coach?

Love how you dismiss my argument completely with that cop out.

I said I find it hard to believe he says this when he was around giants such as this.

Paul Alexander says that Roland is the best technician he's ever seen.

Bratkowski said that Jordan Palmer had a chance to start.

Marv has boosted countless players that have been cut, never to be seen on a roster again.

Stop it.

[PApinhead]

Originally Posted by Luvnit2

Keep in mind that half our fan base wants Marvin fired still or the GM. I don't see us getting a GM so if Lewis is canned, my guess Burfict's loyalty would be to Lewis and not the Bengals organization.

Yeah, but we don't need to worry. We all know Marvin will be here for a lot longer, no matter what happens.

[thompson19osu]

Originally Posted by Luvnit2

Keep in mind that half our fan base wants Marvin fired still or the GM. I don't see us getting a GM so if Lewis is canned, my guess Burfict's loyalty would be to Lewis and not the Bengals organization.

Agreed. I meant to say Marvin, not the organization.

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by Luvnit2

Keep in mind that half our fan base wants Marvin fired still or the GM. organization.

And? Half the fan base would want him fired even if he never lost a game. So what! Their irrelevant in logic.

[MasonBengalFan]

He's had a heck of a year. Should get a lot better.

[StLucieBengal]

Originally Posted by Shady

#2 = Ed Reid?

Ed Reed came after Marvin in Baltimore.

Rod Woodson is probably the #2. He has always spoken diffently about Rod vs any other player other than Ray Lewis

that being said we are all excited about Burfict. and he is here because he fell in love with Marvin. he had other FA offers, and took Cincy because of Marvin.

[D's Nuts and Bolts]

Originally Posted by Truck_1_0_1_

Love how you dismiss my argument completely with that cop out.

I said I find it hard to believe he says this when he was around giants such as this.

Paul Alexander says that Roland is the best technician he's ever seen.

Bratkowski said that Jordan Palmer had a chance to start.

Marv has boosted countless players that have been cut, never to be seen on a roster again.

Stop it.

Well maybe, Roland is the best automotive technician he has seen and maybe Palmer did have a chance to start......in the CFL.

Just thought I would lighten the mode.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Truck_1_0_1_

Love how you dismiss my argument completely with that cop out.

I said I find it hard to believe he says this when he was around giants such as this.

Paul Alexander says that Roland is the best technician he's ever seen.

Bratkowski said that Jordan Palmer had a chance to start.

Marv has boosted countless players that have been cut, never to be seen on a roster again.

Stop it.

The only thing i would add is that, i would think Marv is comparing all his past players to Burfict based on where they were in their first year. And it's not really an outrageous comparison until he's put in the time they did and not lived up to their production.

[Fan_in_Kettering]

Originally Posted by Truck_1_0_1_

Leon Hall
Justin Smith
Geno Atkins
Brian Simmons
Jonathan Joseph
.

Brian Simmons? Sei pazzo!

[flyinryan]

Originally Posted by Truck_1_0_1_

Just goes to show the knowledge of this board.

Lewis was in Washington when Reed was drafted.

I just looked it up and Reed was drafted in 2002 so yes, you are right. I was 10 years old at that time and when I finally started watching the NFL for real I joined it and looked forward so I really don't know much about the league before I joined except for the things that still get talked about pretty often. It just seemed like Ed Reed has always been around since he pretty much has since I've followed football. I'm so sorry. Also, allow me to apologize for getting excited about one of our young players whose great story we all know. I'm also sorry for taking a coach who is reserved in what he says about his football team seriously when he says something as outrageous/exciting as this. Please teach me how to be a proper fan. Although I must say so far I was happier in my ignorance.

[Abspara]

#3. Dhani Jones

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Originally Posted by D's Nuts and Bolts

Well maybe, Roland is the best automotive technician he has seen and maybe Palmer did have a chance to start......in the CFL.

Just thought I would lighten the mode.

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

The only thing i would add is that, i would think Marv is comparing all his past players to Burfict based on where they were in their first year. And it's not really an outrageous comparison until he's put in the time they did and not lived up to their production.

Still makes no sense though.

Lewis had a better rookie year.
Boulware had a better rookie year than both of them.
Arguable on Sharper
Arguable on Duane Starks
Arguable on McCalister
Odell Thurman had a better rookie year
Arguable on Leon

Numbers don't lie.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Originally Posted by flyinryan

I just looked it up and Reed was drafted in 2002 so yes, you are right. I was 10 years old at that time and when I finally started watching the NFL for real I joined it and looked forward so I really don't know much about the league before I joined except for the things that still get talked about pretty often. It just seemed like Ed Reed has always been around since he pretty much has since I've followed football. I'm so sorry. Also, allow me to apologize for getting excited about one of our young players whose great story we all know. I'm also sorry for taking a coach who is reserved in what he says about his football team seriously when he says something as outrageous/exciting as this. Please teach me how to be a proper fan. Although I must say so far I was happier in my ignorance.

Don't be sarcastic.

My original post wasn't aimed at you in the slightest, thus your reaction isn't apt.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Originally Posted by Fan_in_Kettering

Brian Simmons? Sei pazzo!

Ma lei crede che Burfict é meglio di Simmons dop' un anno?

Guard' i numeri!