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Old 01-07-2013, 02:06 PM
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Default Bubble Screen pass to Hawkins.

why don't they use Hawkins and his speed the way NE uses Welker?

Look at this:

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They should run this play with Hawkins.
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why don't they use Hawkins and his speed the way NE uses Welker?

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They should run this play with Hawkins.
Uncreative minds disagree we should throw to him deep while doubled covered.
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Default Re: Bubble Screen pass to Hawkins.

ever think he isn't as good as Welker?
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ever think he isn't as good as Welker?
He's quicker.
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Default Re: Bubble Screen pass to Hawkins.

Speaking of screen passes, have there ever been two uglier ones attempted than the two the Bengals tried to run Saturday? To all of us wondering why we never run them, look no further.
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He's quicker.
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Welker is better.
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Default Re: Bubble Screen pass to Hawkins.

He problem with a situational gadget-type guy like Hawkins is that other teams catch on and know what to expect from him. In order to be effective, Hawkins has to be a threat to do other stuff. He really hasn't shown he is a threat to do much else except those type plays.
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He problem with a situational gadget-type guy like Hawkins is that other teams catch on and know what to expect from him. In order to be effective, Hawkins has to be a threat to do other stuff. He really hasn't shown he is a threat to do much else except those type plays.
So? PERFECT those plays and run them over and over.
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So? PERFECT those plays and run them over and over.
You could perfect them but if the D knows they are coming they will still stop them.
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why don't they use Hawkins and his speed the way NE uses Welker?

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They should run this play with Hawkins.
I think it is because of the plodding pace of the offense. The bubble screen seems to work best when the defense is scrambling a little bit and the offense is setting up and snapping quickly.

Why we can't run the West Coast offense or a hurry-up, both invented here, is beyond me.
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why don't they use Hawkins and his speed the way NE uses Welker?

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They should run this play with Hawkins.
Did that in the game, and got nothing.
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Hawkins is faster. He's not as good, but he's quite a bit faster.
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Did that in the game, and got nothing.
when you only bring hawkins in for his play the Defense will notice.
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Default Re: Bubble Screen pass to Hawkins.

The problem is we don't run them enough to become proficient at how to do them right. And as mentioned earlier we do run the offense at a pretty slow pace which also makes it harder.
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Hawkins is faster. He's not as good, but he's quite a bit faster.
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Hawkins is faster. He's not as good, but he's quite a bit faster.
IDK Welker looked pretty fast on his 99yard TD
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IDK Welker looked pretty fast on his 99yard TD
thats because he has to pump his legs twice as fast as a tall guy.. (so he looks faster)
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Default Re: Bubble Screen pass to Hawkins.

I feel like there is much more the coaches could do to get Baby Hawk the ball more. If he was in a place like New England he would be deadly in Wes Welker's position.
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thats because he has to pump his legs twice as fast as a tall guy.. (so he looks faster)
And Hawk is smaller than Welker so maybe he just looks faster...
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Default Re: Bubble Screen pass to Hawkins.

Not all coaches are created equal.

Jay Gruden is no Josh McDaniels and Marvin Lewis is definately no Bill Billichick.

You're asking the impossible. Our coaches are not that talented or creative enough to play to strengths. They'd rather try to stick a square peg in a circle.
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Default Re: Bubble Screen pass to Hawkins.

if we actually tried to use hawkins he would produce just as well as welker. Welker is brady's go to guy. Whereas the bengals rarely try to get him the ball. Also hawkins is faster and quicker than welker, just watch clips of them both and its obvious.
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if we actually tried to use hawkins he would produce just as well as welker. Welker is brady's go to guy. Whereas the bengals rarely try to get him the ball. Also hawkins is faster and quicker than welker, just watch clips of them both and its obvious.
No he wouldn't.
Just stop.
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if we actually tried to use hawkins he would produce just as well as welker. Welker is brady's go to guy. Whereas the bengals rarely try to get him the ball. Also hawkins is faster and quicker than welker, just watch clips of them both and its obvious.
Yeah because the game in which we tried to feature hawkins was so good...

I remember many missed and one INT trying to get the ball to hawkins

Hes a gaget player whos best use is in space on a quick screen or reverse.
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No he wouldn't.
Just stop.
haha yea he probably would. They really didnt try to get him the ball and he had 51 receptions for 533 yds. Whereas welker got 118 receptions. They both had the same number of catches over 40 yds showing me welker isnt any faster. Hawkins 40 time is 4.34 and welkers is 4.65. Welker is not more athletic or capable he is just targeted twice as much. Give Dalton an oline that gives him time to look at more than one option (like Brady's) and actually try to get him the ball and he can get those stats. Only problem i have with hawkins is that he tends to not come back to the ball.
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Yeah because the game in which we tried to feature hawkins was so good...

I remember many missed and one INT trying to get the ball to hawkins

Hes a gaget player whos best use is in space on a quick screen or reverse.
Any throw to Hawkins more than 5 yards down field terrifies me.
I think 3-4 picks from Dalton have been on throws where Hawkins' size killed us. He can fight for position on the ball.
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