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Old 01-09-2013, 02:15 PM
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you guys do realize there are much bigger issues here than the QB right ? each position has its own coach not just HC, OC and DC. Paul Alexander has been Oline coach for 20 years and you would think some of these positions would need changing in that amount of time. If the line can't block then Dalton will have no time do make plays as you've seen in Houston, Pittsburgh and Philly at the end of the year. Palmer didnt have time to make plays either because of the line and you can blame this on talent or coaching and i'm gonna go with coaching for now because plenty of talent has moved in and out in the time Alexander has been here
Agreed, I've been on Alexander's case since the '05 line started to disintegrate.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:29 PM
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you guys do realize there are much bigger issues here than the QB right ? each position has its own coach not just HC, OC and DC. Paul Alexander has been Oline coach for 20 years and you would think some of these positions would need changing in that amount of time. If the line can't block then Dalton will have no time do make plays as you've seen in Houston, Pittsburgh and Philly at the end of the year. Palmer didnt have time to make plays either because of the line and you can blame this on talent or coaching and i'm gonna go with coaching for now because plenty of talent has moved in and out in the time Alexander has been here
Oh, I definitely realize that Dalton isn't the biggest problem at all, but drawing a comparison to the days of Palmer, Chad, and Brat isn't really fair. For most of that time it was much worse than now(for a bunch of reasons). We're pretty much a solid 2nd receiver away from a playoff win right now.

Before 2011 we needed: 2 receivers, a running back, a good defense, an entire interior line, a new OC, etc...
On top of that the diva mentality was very prevalent, and this team seemed more like organized chaos trying to win than a team with a plan and direction.
I'm hopeful, but it's cautious optimism.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:31 PM
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I hate to say it, but Dalton looks to be a poor mans Flacco..so yeah, I do agree, Dalton=Sanchez

and the order of QB in the north is Roethlisberger->Flacco->Dalton->[insert browns qb here]
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:43 PM
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Agreed, I've been on Alexander's case since the '05 line started to disintegrate.
Alexander is the new Bob Bratkowski. Everyone wants him gone but Mike Brown
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:47 PM
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I hate to say it, but Dalton looks to be a poor mans Flacco..so yeah, I do agree, Dalton=Sanchez

and the order of QB in the north is Roethlisberger->Flacco->Dalton->[insert browns qb here]
Who's was a better Q.B after two years for the Bengals,Kenny Anderson or Andy Dalton?
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:52 PM
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you cn thnk are wrs for there inconsistent ability to get open but what about all the open reads he misses when wr's are open like hwkins in the philly gm. his pocket presence has to dramatically improve. he needs to calm down and mk better reads under pressure. hopefully he does
Better Weapons = More trust from the QB

Better Protection = Better timing and pocket awareness...

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Old 01-09-2013, 03:05 PM
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People just don't get it. We don't have the weapons that everybody thinks we do.

Basically teams had to find a way to shut down AJ, and we had nothing else.

We rotated 4 different guys at #2 WR and had 3 different centers. Those positions are pretty important to the QB...right?

Dalton's stats in the 3 games that Sanu started (with Robinson at center): 9 TDs - 0 INTs, took a sack every 22.3 attempts.

Dalton's stats with Marvin Jones: 4 TDs - 5 INTs, took a sack every 6.1 attempts in the 4 games after Cook came back.

But lets not bother looking at the whole offense. It's much easier to just say it's all on Dalton. Btw, comparing him to Sanchez is ridiculous. Dalton is statistically superior in every category (by a large margin), and no one ever thought Sanchize was any good.
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Old 01-09-2013, 07:33 PM
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Feels like Deja Vu' with those criticisms. Didn't most people say the same things about Palmer?
What's the constant? Ken Zampese. Time for him to go.
The nail has been hit on the head. I have never been a fan of Zampese.
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Old 01-09-2013, 07:41 PM
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:18 PM
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St LlThink about how many people were saying how Good Sanchez was and poised and all that crud when he supposedly "led them to two AFC championship games in a row." I was one of the few people very unimpressed and said he would be garbage. Now look at him! He was exposed when he couldn't lean on a top 2 defense to win him games. Now despite my title, i dont think Dalton is as bad a Sanchez. I actually think hes descent. But descent aint gonna get us over the hump. Its time to realize he is what he is. Dalton was a 2nd round pick becuz he is a 2nd tier QB. In college dalton threw quick passes and didnt need time to sit in the pocket. Thats why when he has happy feet when his internal clock speeds up. Its gotta be frustrating for Green to run past his man tme and time again just to turn around and see the ball swirling out of bounds. Yes the OL can play better, but there were a multitude of opportunities for dalton to step up and make an easy completion but he panicked and threw ball away.. his footwork is horrible. He has no clue what a sidestep is. Dalton has regressed a bit this year and i say if after this season he doesnt play better we get a QB. I mean he lost to TJ Yates for cryoing out loud!!!!!! Negative six yards in a half. Are you kidding me. Wait til ya see what Brady does to that same defense.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:45 PM
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People just don't get it. We don't have the weapons that everybody thinks we do.

Basically teams had to find a way to shut down AJ, and we had nothing else.

We rotated 4 different guys at #2 WR and had 3 different centers. Those positions are pretty important to the QB...right?

Dalton's stats in the 3 games that Sanu started (with Robinson at center): 9 TDs - 0 INTs, took a sack every 22.3 attempts.

Dalton's stats with Marvin Jones: 4 TDs - 5 INTs, took a sack every 6.1 attempts in the 4 games after Cook came back.

But lets not bother looking at the whole offense. It's much easier to just say it's all on Dalton. Btw, comparing him to Sanchez is ridiculous. Dalton is statistically superior in every category (by a large margin), and no one ever thought Sanchize was any good.
I'd give you rep for this post if I spread it around more.

Please keep making sense... someday someone else might get it... or not.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:50 PM
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No one ever thought Sanchez was good. I quit reading after that.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:51 PM
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People just don't get it. We don't have the weapons that everybody thinks we do.

Basically teams had to find a way to shut down AJ, and we had nothing else.

We rotated 4 different guys at #2 WR and had 3 different centers. Those positions are pretty important to the QB...right?

Dalton's stats in the 3 games that Sanu started (with Robinson at center): 9 TDs - 0 INTs, took a sack every 22.3 attempts.

Dalton's stats with Marvin Jones: 4 TDs - 5 INTs, took a sack every 6.1 attempts in the 4 games after Cook came back.

But lets not bother looking at the whole offense. It's much easier to just say it's all on Dalton. Btw, comparing him to Sanchez is ridiculous. Dalton is statistically superior in every category (by a large margin), and no one ever thought Sanchize was any good.


Whoa, awesome post dude!

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People just don't get it. We don't have the weapons that everybody thinks we do.

Basically teams had to find a way to shut down AJ, and we had nothing else.

We rotated 4 different guys at #2 WR and had 3 different centers. Those positions are pretty important to the QB...right?

Dalton's stats in the 3 games that Sanu started (with Robinson at center): 9 TDs - 0 INTs, took a sack every 22.3 attempts.

Dalton's stats with Marvin Jones: 4 TDs - 5 INTs, took a sack every 6.1 attempts in the 4 games after Cook came back.

But lets not bother looking at the whole offense. It's much easier to just say it's all on Dalton. Btw, comparing him to Sanchez is ridiculous. Dalton is statistically superior in every category (by a large margin), and no one ever thought Sanchize was any good.

Perfectly stated.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:57 PM
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I tend to agree. Though I think we need a better running game. We are always playing from 3rd and long it seems. Gresham can't catch either.
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I hate to say it, but Dalton looks to be a poor mans Flacco.
HAHAHA!! That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
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People just don't get it. We don't have the weapons that everybody thinks we do.

Basically teams had to find a way to shut down AJ, and we had nothing else.

We rotated 4 different guys at #2 WR and had 3 different centers. Those positions are pretty important to the QB...right?

Dalton's stats in the 3 games that Sanu started (with Robinson at center): 9 TDs - 0 INTs, took a sack every 22.3 attempts.

Dalton's stats with Marvin Jones: 4 TDs - 5 INTs, took a sack every 6.1 attempts in the 4 games after Cook came back.

But lets not bother looking at the whole offense. It's much easier to just say it's all on Dalton. Btw, comparing him to Sanchez is ridiculous. Dalton is statistically superior in every category (by a large margin), and no one ever thought Sanchize was any good.
Nice post. Though Andy has a few shortcomings he has been a blessing.
I would like to see the team draft a solid young QB in the draft this year though.
Competition at the posititon can be a good thing.
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This thread is a joke. Much like Sanchez. Quick someone post the Gif of him running into his own man and fumbling the ball.
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Everything stated in this thread so far is perfectly accurate.
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This thread is a joke. Much like Sanchez. Quick someone post the Gif of him running into his own man and fumbling the ball.
Right Here!
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Right Here!
YES!!!!!!!!

I was watching with my family and we were all laughing so hard! My dad just yelled "What a Dork!"
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YES!!!!!!!!

I was watching with my family and we were all laughing so hard! My dad just yelled "What a Dork!"
I usually get a comment at least once a week from someone here over the hilarity of that play and I've had this on my sig since the night it happened, I never get tired of it
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I look at Dalton as a Good QB not a Great one. He can win us games but he needs help. Only a few QBs in the league can win with not a lot of help. Dalton needs a good running game and he needs players to catch the ball reliably. Right now we have 1 WR that does that. I am not in favor of drafting one early but would not mind looking at a FA option. Also I would like to see us get the Rookie TE from GA (Name escapes me at the moment) the ball more often if Gresham keeps dropping balls and fumbling them as well.
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I usually get a comment at least once a week from someone here over the hilarity of that play and I've had this on my sig since the night it happened, I never get tired of it
It's definitely not going to watch itself 100 more times.
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Shake is absolutely correct and so is Cloe in my opinion.

Not enough weapons and O-line injuries when we were already bringing a new guy in did not help. Guard, Center, Guard, all new.

That is brutal in the NFL and a recipe for some chaotic play at times.

NFL defense are experts at exposing weaknesses.

Proud of these Bengals. Could have quit at half way point. Have seen other Bengals teams mail it in when struggling at that point of season. But these Bengals manned up.
But ran into bad match up in Playoffs.
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