Dalton vs Kaepernick (20/20)

[BengalYankee]

Originally Posted by Orange and Black Attack

Wait until teams get enough film on him to stop him then he will come back to earth, Dalton is the better QB.

[J24]

We ask more of Andy as far as throwing and reading defenses then the 49ers ask from Kaepernick. The 49ers do a great job of simplifying the offense while we run a more complex offense.

[BengalYankee]

Originally Posted by Bull Durham

Who said dalton couldn't do that? Did you see the massive holes the SF line was blowing open for kaepernick? Peyton Manning could have run for 150 yards in that game

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by J24

We ask more of Andy as far as throwing and reading defenses then the 49ers ask from Kaepernick. The 49ers do a great job of simplifying the offense while we run a more complex offense.

The offenses are actually the same.

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by Joelist

Don't forget that you also were (to put it lightly) insinuating that anyone who had doubts about Cam was racially motivated. That is a sure sign of a troll.

Saying that Cam will fail because of Vince Young is racially motivated. It needed to be called out on his forum.

[devils advocate]

this report indicates the flawed logic and misconceptions...homerism and haterism is WHACK

[J24]

Originally Posted by The_B2S

The offenses are actually the same.

no there not kaepernick offense is built around the running game not the passing game. Plus they use the pistol quite allot and we never do.

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by J24

no there not kaepernick offense is built around the running game not the passing game. Plus they use the pistol quite allot and we never do.

Both systems use west coast language. The Niners use the pistol formation because CK can run it. We don't use is because Dalton cannot. The passing games are pretty identical.

[BengalYankee]

Be honest with yourself in answering this question.

Who do you think most GM's would draft higher Dalton or Colin?

[mrcommish<2009>]

a QB is only as good as the team around him !

[ibengals]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Can you answer my question? Is Kaepernick a better QB than Alex Smith?

You're wasting your time bfine, he's a moron. A smart individual would realize that we'll NEVER be able to accurately compare these two, and there's really no point in arguing it.

Guess what B2S, Mohamed Sanu has a higher passer rating than Kaepernick, and he has a PERFECT QBR rating! I guess we should have passed on both and taken Sanu in the 2012 draft huh?

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by BengalYankee

Be honest with yourself in answering this question.

Who do you think most GM's would draft higher Dalton or Colin?

You can't have reasonable discussions with these people. As I said earlier, Cincinnati is a stupid sports town. The fans just don't get the nuance of sports like other sports towns do.

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by ibengals

You're wasting your time bfine, he's a moron. A smart individual would realize that we'll NEVER be able to accurately compare these two, and there's really no point in arguing it.

Guess what B2S, Mohamed Sanu has a higher passer rating than Kaepernick, and he has a PERFECT QBR rating! I guess we should have passed on both and taken Sanu in the 2012 draft huh?

Lol, you're not too bright. You can compare QBs from different teams and make reasonable arguments about who's better.

Only a simple mind would contend that exchanging arguments based on data, statistics, metrics and other forms of empirical evidence is pointless.

[ibengals]

Originally Posted by The_B2S

Lol, you're not too bright. You can compare QBs from different teams and make reasonable arguments about who's better.

Only a simple mind would contend that exchanging arguments based on data, statistics, metrics and other forms of empirical evidence is pointless.

You're the one arguing your point based purely on statistics.

You haven't made a legitimate point yet besides posting his passer rating and QBR. I'm still dumbfounded that you honestly believe that the two situations are comparable, because in all honesty, if Alex Smith can succeed in an offense, anyone can.

Give me the quarterback who doesn't spike the ball on the field of play and pick up a 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty.

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by ibengals

You're the one arguing your point based purely on statistics.

You haven't made a legitimate point yet besides posting his passer rating and QBR. I'm still dumbfounded that you honestly believe that the two situations are comparable, because in all honesty, if Alex Smith can succeed in an offense, anyone can.

Give me the quarterback who doesn't spike the ball on the field of play and pick up a 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty.

I've actually discussed more than just QBR and passer rating. Just based on observations we can tell that CK's physical attributes are definitely better than that of Dalton. In terms of arm strength, speed, strength, agility, etc., CK is the clear victor. CK has better pocket presence, as he moves around the pocket and steps up into the pocket to avoid the rush much better than Dalton. I've already discussed how CK is more accurate and that he appears to be reading defenses better judging by his lower interception percentage. So, I repeat, CK does everything on the football field better than Dalton.

The situations are very comparable. Both are NFL QBs and are thus worthy of comparisons. Aaron Rodgers is surrounded by better offensive talent than is Blaine Gabbert, but I can determine that Rodgers is an infinitely better QB than is Gabbert. But, according to your logic, we can't make that determination.

[BengalYankee]

Originally Posted by ibengals

Give me the quarterback who doesn't spike the ball on the field of play and pick up a 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty.

You mean the QB who a few plays later passes the ball, [not over throws], but passes the ball to his WR[Crabtree][who is far inferior to Green].

The QB that who rushed for more yards in a playoff game then Tarkenton, Staubach, Elway, Steve Young, etc

[BigPapaKain]

Give Dalton than line and that running back and this 'hot topic' becomes moot.

Kapernick inherited a team that was a game away from the Super Bowl. Dalton inherited a team that had the #4 pick in the draft.

Seriously, 90% of you would've run Peyton Manning out of town.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by hotwing

Dalton (2011 pick #35) vs Kaepernick (2011 pick #36),

Right now, u can't help but second guess pick 35.... come on Andy, close the gap in 2013

Yes you can help but second guess it. It is just that some around here don't. Andy is goinv to be fine and this team is on the rise. Stop worrying about the Jones's.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by BengalYankee

You mean the QB who a few plays later passes the ball, [not over throws], but passes the ball to his WR[Crabtree][who is far inferior to Green].

The QB that who rushed for more yards in a playoff game then Tarkenton, Staubach, Elway, Steve Young, etc

Yeah and the same one that got pressured and threw a blatantly terrible INT. Manning never runs the ball so does that make CK a better QB than he is?

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by BengalYankee

Be honest with yourself in answering this question.

Who do you think most GM's would draft higher Dalton or Colin?

Then why did so many QBs get taken before CK? Would you honestly have taken Ponder in the first round? Dalton was looked at by most as a better prospect than CK whether you are willing to admit it or not.

Bottomline, you are trying to judge them as if their careers are over. 10 years from now who knows.

[Marlon23]

Originally Posted by Orange and Black Attack

Wait until teams get enough film on him to stop him then he will come back to earth, Dalton is the better QB.

Exactly great point!! Dalton did well and we know other teams had film to watch his behavior this year from last..!!

[RedBengal9]

I'm starting to miss the AJ vs Julio threads. A few of the guys there actually made some legitimate points. This thread is just getting more ridiculous by the page.

[BoomerFan]

Originally Posted by ibengals

Not really comparable at all OP. 49ers have the best offensive line in the NFL, four or five legit receiving threats, and a good run game. Dalton has AJ Green, that's it.

And, while I do think Marvin is unfairly criticized sometimes, he isn't a Harbaugh, that's for sure. Maybe he could take a page from Jim and John and bring a little more emotion and heart to the table though. Freddie Soft seems to be playing on our offense.

[BoomerFan]

Originally Posted by RedBengal9

I'm starting to miss the AJ vs Julio threads. A few of the guys there actually made some legitimate points. This thread is just getting more ridiculous by the page.

Yeah, I haven't been paying much attention to Crabtree this season, but I doubt there's any way he should be mentioned in the same sentence as AJ.

[Housh]

As of now we picked wrong