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Old 01-13-2013, 09:16 PM
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If it came down to your ability to re-sign Michael Johnson or signing Dashon Goldson as a FA Safety, which would you choose?

Personally, I would like to see a DE drafted with the 21st pick, re-sign Gilberry for rotation, and solidify the back end of the defense with an experienced safety like Goldson.

Please note this thread did not in any way ask if the Brown family would pony up any money, blah, blah, blah....reserve those discussions for whiny little bytch threads that are easy to ignore.
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I don't know how good Goldson would be on a different team.
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can I have Jairus Byrd as the FA Safety and still re-sign MJ?
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can I have Jairus Byrd as the FA Safety and still re-sign MJ?
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There are about 5 good safeties in the league. There are tons of good DEs

I would pick MJ though
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There are about 5 good safeties in the league. There are tons of good DEs

I would pick MJ though
I agree with your initial statement, which puzzles me as to why you would select MJ.

Do you not feel Goldson is a top 5 safety?

For the record, I like MJ, but I feel what this team really needs is a playmaking SS.
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I don't know how good Goldson would be on a different team.
Excellent point, but SF saw him as valuable enough to use the franchise tag on him. I love his speed and toughness in stuffing the run and covering TEs, but I think his ability in pass defense makes him elite. I just don't think rookie safeties can make an impact in year one as a defensive end could. I want a veteran SS to pair with Reggie Nelson and help bring along Dre Kirkpatrick.
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Excellent point, but SF saw him as valuable enough to use the franchise tag on him. I love his speed and toughness in stuffing the run and covering TEs, but I think his ability in pass defense makes him elite. I just don't think rookie safeties can make an impact in year one as a defensive end could. I want a veteran SS to pair with Reggie Nelson and help bring along Dre Kirkpatrick.
Laron Landry is an option too.

I do like Goldson too.
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I agree with your initial statement, which puzzles me as to why you would select MJ.

Do you not feel Goldson is a top 5 safety?

For the record, I like MJ, but I feel what this team really needs is a playmaking SS.
I do think Goldson is one of the better safeties in the league. However, if MJ still progresses like he should, the team can continue building upon the best part of the team. Keep your strengths a strength while solidifying everything else. Safeties are not the most important part of a team (Or else every team would have one, not just the 49ers). If you have a safety who just plays intelligently, your defense can still operate very well with the previously mentioned pass rush
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Easy, Michael Johnson.. with him, we know the Bengals have a top 10 defense. It's been a proven commodity the last two years. Take away that pass rush, add a safety, and who knows what you have. I'll take #6 or #7 defense and #2 in sacks every single year.
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I do think Goldson is one of the better safeties in the league. However, if MJ still progresses like he should, the team can continue building upon the best part of the team. Keep your strengths a strength while solidifying everything else. Safeties are not the most important part of a team (Or else every team would have one, not just the 49ers). If you have a safety who just plays intelligently, your defense can still operate very well with the previously mentioned pass rush
I see your point. And I don't want to lose the Bengals pass rush. In fact, a first round pick DE could actually be an upgrade over MJ' and save roughly six million per year from what I am estimating MJ will command. I'm not sure the exact rules, but wouldn't the Bengals also be entitled to a fairly high compensatory pick, like third round, for such a high dollar FA departure?

In a perfect world, they could get them both. In the salary cap era of the NFL, I think a guy like Goldson could provide a huge lift on the defensive side of the ball and tough decisions will have to be made to make it all work.
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I agree with your initial statement, which puzzles me as to why you would select MJ.

Do you not feel Goldson is a top 5 safety?

For the record, I like MJ, but I feel what this team really needs is a playmaking SS.
I would take Earl Thomas, Jairus Byrd, Eric Berry, Louis Delmas, and Eric Weddle before Goldson.
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If it came down to your ability to re-sign Michael Johnson or signing Dashon Goldson as a FA Safety, which would you choose?

Personally, I would like to see a DE drafted with the 21st pick, re-sign Gilberry for rotation, and solidify the back end of the defense with an experienced safety like Goldson.

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MJ and draft Phillip Thomas from Fresno State.
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I see your point. And I don't want to lose the Bengals pass rush. In fact, a first round pick DE could actually be an upgrade over MJ' and save roughly six million per year from what I am estimating MJ will command. I'm not sure the exact rules, but wouldn't the Bengals also be entitled to a fairly high compensatory pick, like third round, for such a high dollar FA departure?

In a perfect world, they could get them both. In the salary cap era of the NFL, I think a guy like Goldson could provide a huge lift on the defensive side of the ball and tough decisions will have to be made to make it all work.
We can re-sign MJ and draft a first round DE and money will not be an issue so I do not see your point. You are talking about saving money yet this team is constantly bashed for not spending money.

Vicious circle it is.
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I see your point. And I don't want to lose the Bengals pass rush. In fact, a first round pick DE could actually be an upgrade over MJ' and save roughly six million per year from what I am estimating MJ will command. I'm not sure the exact rules, but wouldn't the Bengals also be entitled to a fairly high compensatory pick, like third round, for such a high dollar FA departure?

In a perfect world, they could get them both. In the salary cap era of the NFL, I think a guy like Goldson could provide a huge lift on the defensive side of the ball and tough decisions will have to be made to make it all work.
The Bengals would probably get a 3rd round pick as long as MJ performs admirably, but you're missing the amount of depth the Bengals should get at DE. I want the team to draft a DE in the first 2 rounds still to go along with signing MJ. The amount of money the team has on cap right now is ridiculous, however. If they can't acquire both, they should be slapped
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There are about 5 good safeties in the league.
Earl Thomas
Kam Chancellor
Eric Berry
Reggie Nelson
Morgan Burnett
Jairus Byrd
Eric Weddle
Ed Reed
Dashon Goldson
Mark Barron

Which one of those aren't good?
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Earl Thomas
Kam Chancellor
Eric Berry
Reggie Nelson
Morgan Burnett
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Eric Weddle
Ed Reed
Dashon Goldson
Mark Barron

Which one of those aren't good?
Where is Barron? I take it he had a good year?
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Earl Thomas
Kam Chancellor
Eric Berry
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Eric Weddle
Ed Reed
Dashon Goldson
Mark Barron

Which one of those aren't good?
He probably means only 5 top notch guys.
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I think we could have both.
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Where is Barron? I take it he had a good year?
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Eric Berry

Morgan Burnett
Ed Reed
Mark Barron

Which one of those aren't good?
Them (At this point). Speaking of, I was using slight hyperbole, although my point is safety play in the league is generally terrible, while DE play is pretty damn good
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Them (At this point). Speaking of, I was using slight hyperbole, although my point is safety play in the league is generally terrible, while DE play is pretty damn good
Morgan Burnett had 123 tackles, 2 INTs, 2 forced fumbles, and 2 Sacks and you say he isn't good.

Guess we'll leave it at that.
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Them (At this point). Speaking of, I was using slight hyperbole, although my point is safety play in the league is generally terrible, while DE play is pretty damn good
Eric Berry had a fantastic rookie season, but tore his ACL in his second season, I don't know how he play this year but if it was poor, it might have something to do with that ACL injury
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