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Old 01-13-2013, 06:02 PM
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Default Honey Badger draft pick or undrafted?

I honestly think he could get drafted and if that is the case, would the Bengals use a 5th or 6th round pick on the former LSU star? Or would they stay away from him unless he went undrafted? I think this is a case of whether Marvin would be comfortable with him. He is a playmaker and a versatile player so I would really like to get him in this draft as long as his problems seem to be more under control.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:22 PM
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I honestly think he could get drafted and if that is the case, would the Bengals use a 5th or 6th round pick on the former LSU star? Or would they stay away from him unless he went undrafted? I think this is a case of whether Marvin would be comfortable with him. He is a playmaker and a versatile player so I would really like to get him in this draft as long as his problems seem to be more under control.
It doesn't matter we won't draft him.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:19 PM
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The Bengals should ABSOLUTELY draft him with a late round selection or sign him as an UDFA. Burfict is a good example of why we take chances with players like this. Also B Joiner. Our clubhouse chemistry can handle this just fine.He could and would become a steal, add CB depth right away and will change the game returning kicks and punts.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:24 PM
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We should try to acquire another late pick for him.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:27 PM
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The Bengals should ABSOLUTELY draft him with a late round selection or sign him as an UDFA. Burfict is a good example of why we take chances with players like this. Also B Joiner. Our clubhouse chemistry can handle this just fine.He could and would become a steal, add CB depth right away and will change the game returning kicks and punts.
Burfict and Honey badger have very little in common. Burfict was lazyness. Honey Badger done alot worse and we don't need that drama on our team.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:05 PM
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Like = His talent and intensity.
Dislike = His drug abuse and off the field problems.

Sounds like a ready made Bengal to me!!
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He is no where near good enough to warrant a draft pick with his risk included.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:42 AM
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If we used a draft pick on him we will be ridiculed throughout the footballing community. If another team does the same they will be lauded as geniuses. The sad fact of being a Bengal.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:46 AM
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The Bengals should ABSOLUTELY draft him with a late round selection or sign him as an UDFA. Burfict is a good example of why we take chances with players like this. Also B Joiner. Our clubhouse chemistry can handle this just fine.He could and would become a steal, add CB depth right away and will change the game returning kicks and punts.
Burfict was also a top round talent, and was arguably a top 15 draft pick. He just got lazy.

Honey Badger? Never really was that high of a prospect. Really isn't that good on defense. Very overrated. Head case. Would be a cancer to the locker room.

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I honestly think he could get drafted and if that is the case, would the Bengals use a 5th or 6th round pick on the former LSU star? Or would they stay away from him unless he went undrafted? I think this is a case of whether Marvin would be comfortable with him. He is a playmaker and a versatile player so I would really like to get him in this draft as long as his problems seem to be more under control.
Should go undrafted. Start sending a message to these guys. Why would Marvin be comfortable with him? I guess we will hear this with every troubled kid now that he connected with Burfict.
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Sounds like a ready made Bengal to me!!
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We should try to acquire another late pick for him.
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Old 01-14-2013, 03:35 AM
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I don't think Mathieu is that good to begin with. He would be a good KR/PR & would be depth at CB. I would use a 6th rounder on him.
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6th rounder, thats all i would give for him.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:32 AM
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He will be drafted. I dont think he will amount to anything in the NFL. Therefore, I hope the Bengals pass on him. ESPN did an interveiw before the BCS game and after the interview, the scouts had predicted him to go in the 4th round. I would say he goes anywhere between the 4th - 6th. He will end up being a KR / PR specialist and playing on special teams. Leave him alone and let another team risk it. When he fails and gets released, maybe Zimmer will take him under his wing and mold him into a player like he has done with so many others!

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Old 01-14-2013, 12:09 PM
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If he has abused his body enough to be in the league only for a short time, he is not worth a high pick.

I think it is more a medical question than a talent or character.
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Old 01-14-2013, 12:31 PM
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I would use a 5th maybe and a 6th for sure.
Would be good at returns to spell Pacman and lite Zim evaluate for a year
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Old 01-14-2013, 12:38 PM
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If still there at 6b, I draft him to return kicks....and hope he gets his head on straight.

Then keep my fingers crossed he doesn't get into trouble....but no long term deal at all.
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If we used a draft pick on him we will be ridiculed throughout the footballing community. If another team does the same they will be lauded as geniuses. The sad fact of being a Bengal.
Don't think so anymore.

Marvin is a highly tenured coach now with back-to-back playoff appearances. His signing of Burfict proved to be genius (wow, hurts my mouth to say that) and how about scouting and picking Geno Atkins in round 4?

If we're being mocked, then it's by old guys who can't get out of the '90s.

Oh, and how about skipping consensus DeCastro for Zeitler? "Lazy" Michael Johnson?

Jerome was our last brain-dead gamble, I think.
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:26 PM
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best break down of Tyrann i have came across.

from http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/201...outing-report/


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Prospect: Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU
Height: 5’9”
Weight: 175 lb.
Grade: 7.1
Athleticism:
• Small size and stature a big limit
• Open field speed and burst to close both adequate
• Change of direction skills near elite, shows up as a punt returner

Intelligence:
• Character concerns, kicked off the team due to failed drug tests, arrested for marijuana possession a few months later
• Seemingly a personal foul waiting to happen after the play occasionally
• Good understanding and football IQ, duty disciplined

Zone Coverage:
• Instinctive feel for route runners around him, can break on ball effectively
• Loses eye discipline too often, can get caught up watching the ball
• Gets to a high percentage of balls after the catch, motor and energy level are high
• Bounces around in zone coverage with lack of technique in his footwork
• Ability to press in both zone and man lacking, whiffs on contact often

Man Coverage:
• Very high in his backpedal with lengthy strides, unnatural for him
• Long steps limit his transition, forces him to give overly big cushions
• Lack of hip fluidity leads to late reaction out of receiver’s breaks
• Instinctive feel for inside/out leverage
• Ball skills are a plus, can highpoint it or get a hand to the ball consistently

Run Support:
• Vulture for the ball, always looking to strip it and force turnovers
• Tendency to go for the strip makes tackling technique inconsistent at best, fails to wrap often
• Struggles to shed blocks, overmatched on size and strength often
• Very aggressive in run support and as a blitzer, attacks the line of scrimmage, fearless

Leadership:
• Was never an upperclassmen at LSU or in leadership role on senior-led defenses

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The man dubbed “Honeybadger” will be one of the most polarizing prospects come April. After getting kicked off the team in August, he opted not to transfer and decided to sit out a season. It’s not unprecedented for a prospect to get drafted after missing a whole season non-injury related. Robert Quinn was ruled ineligible and missed a season before becoming a first round pick in 2011. Teams interested in Mathieu will have to do their homework and put him through very personal interviews before drafting him to be sure. He can be an instant impact player and playmaker for the defense he joins. Even so, he has quite a bit of growing to do on the football field and may be scheme dependent.



He’s a much better fit for a zone scheme which allows him to get to the ball often. He may also be slot corner only, because it remains to be seen if he can be trusted on the boundary. Mathieu was a high-impact punt returner during his time at LSU. He displayed elite change of direction skills and vision to complement it. Despite the question marks, many teams will be excited about his instinctive style of play and tendency to turn games around on a dime.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:11 PM
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I'm ok with a 5th or 6th on the kid. I think what he brings on special teams would be enough to warrant those picks as usually those guys don't make the team. Let Pacman mentor him and show him what not to do. Then the added bonus is we can cut Brandon tate and Pacman can play more CB. someday maybe he will be good enough to play nickle but until then he would be an electric returner.
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Old 01-14-2013, 03:58 PM
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He isn't draftable and a crackhead
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:36 PM
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Some recent news.

"LSU CB Tyrann Mathieu is undergoing regular drug testing from an anonymous but certified drug testing company in an effort to show NFL teams he's clean before the 2013 Draft.
Mathieu also plans to attend the Senior Bowl to "mingle" with NFL people as he attempts to quell character concerns. Mathieu's representation promises that Tyrann will have had "32 tests" to show the NFL he's clean after alleged drug abuse at LSU. For now, Mathieu is training with former LSU teammate Patrick Peterson in Arizona. He's bulked up to 182 pounds after being listed at 175 at LSU. If Mathieu does enough to repair his image before the draft, he could be a value pick in the middle rounds."

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/...tyrann-mathieu

A 182lbs DB who has to prove he is drug free will not be high on a lot of teams wish list. I'd take him in the 5th or 6th. I have a hard time believing he will fall that far though. I could see the Steelers or Ravens drafting him and everyone calling it a brilliant pick. They both need corners.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:43 PM
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I don't know. Repeated knuckleheads are kinda scary. Late in the draft, to take a flier on someone, maybe.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:54 PM
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If he was there late I couldn't help my self but go for him. What have we really gotten out of are late round picks lately anyway. Tyrann Mathieu> Boom Herron, think of it that way. He strips the ball more than ive seen anyone and is a playmaker. What the hell why not. Just watch this and tell me you wouldn't give up Boom for this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KBPaoS6odk
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