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Center has been a much debated topic of late. I was wondering if anyone has any idea across the league how many starting centers actually played center in the collegiate ranks.
Here is the AFC. Someone else can do the NFC.

Bills: Eric Wood. College Center
Dolphins: Mike Pouncey. College Guard and finished as Center
Patriots: Ryan Wendell. College Guard and Center
Jets: Nick Mangold. College Center
Broncos: Dan Koppen. College Center
Chiefs: Ryan Lilja. College Center and Guard
Raiders: Stefen Wisniewski, College Center
Chargers: Nick Hardwick, College Center
Ravens: Matt Birk. College Center
Steelers: Maurkice Pouncey. College 1yr as Guard, 2 yr as Center
Browns: Alex Mack. College Center
Bengals: Kyle Cook. College Guard
Texans: Chris Myers. College Guard, Center, Tackle
Colts: A.Q. Shipley. College Center
Jaguars: Brad Meester. College Center
Titans: Fernando Velasco. College Guard
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We asked him about the time he fumbled without being hit and the time he threw an interception without being pressured and the other pick he threw -- under pressure but stupidly off his back foot toward double coverage. All of that happened on three consecutive possession, a 10-minute fusillade of fail that turned a one-possession game into a blowout loss...

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Old 01-14-2013, 06:03 PM
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Here is the AFC. Someone else can do the NFC.

Bills: Eric Wood. College Center
Dolphins: Mike Pouncey. College Guard and finished as Center
Patriots: Ryan Wendell. College Guard and Center
Jets: Nick Mangold. College Center
Broncos: Dan Koppen. College Center
Chiefs: Ryan Lilja. College Center and Guard
Raiders: Stefen Wisniewski, College Center
Chargers: Nick Hardwick, College Center
Ravens: Matt Birk. College Center
Steelers: Maurkice Pouncey. College 1yr as Guard, 2 yr as Center
Browns: Alex Mack. College Center
Bengals: Kyle Cook. College Guard
Texans: Chris Myers. College Guard, Center, Tackle
Colts: A.Q. Shipley. College Center
Jaguars: Brad Meester. College Center
Titans: Fernando Velasco. College Guard
Is Eric Wood playing center for Buffalo now? I was thinking that at least last season they had him at OG.
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i seen on that site that Zac Robinson our third stringer/ ps QB has a 2yr/10m contract? thats a hell of a contract to never hardly suit up on sunday. how the hell does he get paid more that Grad to be a non factor?
Zac Robinson should be the #2 QB next season. I thought he had showed enough progression this year to take the job.
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Is Eric Wood playing center for Buffalo now? I was thinking that at least last season they had him at OG.
He was injured badly, but is still listed as a C on their depth chart.
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A lot of Centers started out as Guards. Usually it happens with a slightly smaller (as in shorter) Guard moving to Center in a fillin role and doing so well the team decides to make it permanent.
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He was injured badly, but is still listed as a C on their depth chart.
I really liked him when he came out of Louisville. I was really hoping we would draft him.
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Zac Robinson should be the #2 QB next season. I thought he had showed enough progression this year to take the job.
How on earth do you know about Zac Robinson's progression? Are you attending practices or do you like how he looks with a clip board?

By the way, shouldn't you be following your own rule book and refrain from commenting on a QB in a "how centers get their spot" thread?
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I honestly think our best option at C is Robinson. Say what you want, but he played very well. Yes he had his moments where he wasn't spectacular, but as far as I'm concerned, he outplayed a 6 year pro in his rookie season. He'll be stronger next season, he'll be more comfortable, and HOPEFULLY the coaches will give him a chance to start.

I'm not completely sold on Frederick out of Wisconsin like most people on here. I think he's way too slow. He's as strong as an ox, and doesn't budge on a bull rush, but he gets killed on speed moves.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:57 PM
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I honestly think our best option at C is Robinson. Say what you want, but he played very well. Yes he had his moments where he wasn't spectacular, but as far as I'm concerned, he outplayed a 6 year pro in his rookie season. He'll be stronger next season, he'll be more comfortable, and HOPEFULLY the coaches will give him a chance to start.

I'm not completely sold on Frederick out of Wisconsin like most people on here. I think he's way too slow. He's as strong as an ox, and doesn't budge on a bull rush, but he gets killed on speed moves.
Thankfully most DT are not as proficient at speed rushing as Geno.
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How on earth do you know about Zac Robinson's progression? Are you attending practices or do you like how he looks with a clip board?

By the way, shouldn't you be following your own rule book and refrain from commenting on a QB in a "how centers get their spot" thread?
If you watched preseason then you saw Robinson if you watched camp workouts you saw Robinson. If you didnt then I can't help you. Only portion of your post worth replying to as not really in the mood for your instigating crap this evening.
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I honestly think our best option at C is Robinson. Say what you want, but he played very well. Yes he had his moments where he wasn't spectacular, but as far as I'm concerned, he outplayed a 6 year pro in his rookie season. He'll be stronger next season, he'll be more comfortable, and HOPEFULLY the coaches will give him a chance to start.

I'm not completely sold on Frederick out of Wisconsin like most people on here. I think he's way too slow. He's as strong as an ox, and doesn't budge on a bull rush, but he gets killed on speed moves.
I know many as well are raving about Barrett Jones. I think he is a good football player but maybe not as good as some are saying. If you watch the Georgia game you will see a chink in his armor. That is having a big NT lined up directly over him. That would be a concern in this division.
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I honestly think our best option at C is Robinson. Say what you want, but he played very well. Yes he had his moments where he wasn't spectacular, but as far as I'm concerned, he outplayed a 6 year pro in his rookie season. He'll be stronger next season, he'll be more comfortable, and HOPEFULLY the coaches will give him a chance to start.

I'm not completely sold on Frederick out of Wisconsin like most people on here. I think he's way too slow. He's as strong as an ox, and doesn't budge on a bull rush, but he gets killed on speed moves.
I'm not sold either on Frederick as a center, but whoever gonna draft him, they will have a tremendous guard for years.
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How on earth do you know about Zac Robinson's progression? Are you attending practices or do you like how he looks with a clip board?

By the way, shouldn't you be following your own rule book and refrain from commenting on a QB in a "how centers get their spot" thread?
Post of the year.

Also, I bet he knows about Robinson's progression the same way he knew Dan LeFevour's (which means Robinson could easily be the franchise quarterback some day )
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Post of the year.

Also, I bet he knows about Robinson's progression the same way he knew Dan LeFevour's (which means Robinson could easily be the franchise quarterback some day )
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Why is Cook taking all the blame for the offensive failures in the playoff game?

He gave up a sack in the 1st Qtr to JJ Watt on a stunt that Leonard failed to chip on.

Who can block Watt one on one?

Cook shouldn't be asked to.

There was no pressure on the play Dalton overthrew AJ.

No pressure on the play Dalton under threw Marvin Jones for an INT that was overturned.

Whitworths guy (Connor Barwin) got the strip of Dalton for a turnover.

No pressure on the Joseph pick where AJ wasn't looking.

No pressure on the under throw to AJ in the endzone that was incomplete.

I just listed the most impactful mistakes on offense in the game and Cook was involved in one, in the 1st Qtr.

Am I missing something here?

How is Cook taking so much heat for this?

All the plays can be viewed on NFL.com highlights.
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I know many as well are raving about Barrett Jones. I think he is a good football player but maybe not as good as some are saying. If you watch the Georgia game you will see a chink in his armor. That is having a big NT lined up directly over him. That would be a concern in this division.
To be fair to Jones he played most of that game with a severely sprained foot.

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When he arrived in the media room, on crutches, he took a seat and didn't even wait for a question.

"All right," Jones said. "Sprained foot. Gonna be fine. Canít wait to play. That's that."

One-hundred percent sure?

"Yes."

Jones injured the foot during the Tide's 32-28 victory over Georgia on Dec. 1 in the SEC Championship Game.

When?

"First quarter," Jones said.

What happened?

"I donít really know," Jones said.
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I'm not sold either on Frederick as a center, but whoever gonna draft him, they will have a tremendous guard for years.
I see him more as a guard myself.
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To be fair to Jones he played most of that game with a severely sprained foot.
Was not aware of this. That does make a difference.
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I don't grade players based on one game, he's been average his entire career. Is it any coincidence that our guard play declined once Cook came back? I don't think so.

We blamed Livings, we blamed McGlynn, we're blaming Boling.... Maybe it's Cook that needs to go.
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I don't grade players based on one game, he's been average his entire career. Is it any coincidence that our guard play declined once Cook came back? I don't think so.

We blamed Livings, we blamed McGlynn, we're blaming Boling.... Maybe it's Cook that needs to go.
Watching Cooks play, I just don't see it.

His run blocking is actually pretty good, his pass pro.....not as good.

50% of pass plays the Center just helps the Guards.

If the Gs are struggling it must be because of the calls Cook is making.

I just see guys getting beat, physically, not sure the call would matter.
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Anybody have some examples of Cook not doing his job?

I remember Hampton beating him once in the 2nd Steelers game but Hampton also beat Robinson once in the 1st Steelers game.

In the Texans game, other than the Watt sack in the 1st Qtr, I don't remember Cook playing that bad.

Somebody refresh my memory.
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We had 1, 2nd year guard, 1, rookie guard. That's a 16 game season. At what point in the year do you think those 2 kids started getting tired. I also thought the line played better when Robinson was in there.
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Why is Cook taking all the blame for the offensive failures in the playoff game?

He gave up a sack in the 1st Qtr to JJ Watt on a stunt that Leonard failed to chip on.

Who can block Watt one on one?

Cook shouldn't be asked to.

There was no pressure on the play Dalton overthrew AJ.

No pressure on the play Dalton under threw Marvin Jones for an INT that was overturned.

Whitworths guy (Connor Barwin) got the strip of Dalton for a turnover.

No pressure on the Joseph pick where AJ wasn't looking.

No pressure on the under throw to AJ in the endzone that was incomplete.

I just listed the most impactful mistakes on offense in the game and Cook was involved in one, in the 1st Qtr.

Am I missing something here?

How is Cook taking so much heat for this?

All the plays can be viewed on NFL.com highlights.
No he did not; Whitworth was blocking Smith.
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We had 1, 2nd year guard, 1, rookie guard. That's a 16 game season. At what point in the year do you think those 2 kids started getting tired. I also thought the line played better when Robinson was in there.
Next year should be better. And I hope they let Robinson at least compete for the starting job in training camp. He deserved to start the rest of this season, and it is too bad he didn't get the chance.
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