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Spot on. He can break a tackle as well as make someone miss. Many people are forgetting that Lacy played nearly all season with a nagging knee and ankle sprain. He was finally healthy for the championship game and you could tell. Besides his spin move, Lacy also has a lightning fast jump
cut. He showed that off against Te'o a few times to devestating success.
I think the play of the Bama OL is slightly inflated.
I watched a few games where Lacy was hit at or behind the line and made plenty out of it with his spin and strength.
He has a burst to him when he runs. Ingram lacked that. Had everything else. Id still take Ingram over BJGE.
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Default Re: Stop with the Eddie Lacy talk.

A running back does not need to have blazing speed to hurt a defense. The fastest running back is not the best rb.

The Bengals know this better than anyone else at the moment (Arian Foster). Foster is not the fastest guy out there, but he is pretty damn good. Also, I know he is young, but Alfred Morris had an amazing year without possessing break away speed. There are others that fit the bill in the league.

Eddie Lacy will be a fine running back in the NFL. I really don't think Bernard will be all that faster than Lacy anyway.

If speed ment everything Chris Johnson would be the best ever year.
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Default Re: Stop with the Eddie Lacy talk.

So what 3 down RB is better than Lacy in this draft and he has to be able to block effectively or it doesn't count.
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So what 3 down RB is better than Lacy in this draft and he has to be able to block effectively or it doesn't count.

Lacy will not be the best back in this draft.
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Lacy will not be the best back in this draft.
Shamarko Thomas is a safety tho......
all kidding aside, he very well could be the best 3 down RB in the draft.
Other guys might carve out nice careers in roles where they don't get their 20+ a game, but Lacy stands the best chance right now to do it.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:12 PM
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Spot on. He can break a tackle as well as make someone miss. Many people are forgetting that Lacy played nearly all season with a nagging knee and ankle sprain. He was finally healthy for the championship game and you could tell. Besides his spin move, Lacy also has a lightning fast jump
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Agreed. He's the only offensive player who's not an Olineman in this draft that I think the Bengals should consider taking in Round 1.
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I for one would love Eddie Lacy.

To say he is a product of his offensive line is kind of a cop out.
..and to ignore it would be short-sighted. I remember the same debate last year when folks said we should move up at all costs and draft T.Rich.
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..and to ignore it would be short-sighted. I remember the same debate last year when folks said we should move up at all costs and draft T.Rich.
People get like that. I still don't like the pick of him that high. I would have moved up if he fell from the top 10.

I think he is incredibly talented, having played a long *** time with broken ribs on a make-shift OL in spots and no help on that offense.
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Shamarko Thomas is a safety tho......
all kidding aside, he very well could be the best 3 down RB in the draft.
Other guys might carve out nice careers in roles where they don't get their 20+ a game, but Lacy stands the best chance right now to do it.
Maybe so but I think someone else is going to do it. Not sure just who yet obviously
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Maybe so but I think someone else is going to do it. Not sure just who yet obviously
So you just discount Lacy without a viable alternative?
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He needs to be where he can get steady carries and wear a defense down
Sounds like Marvin's dream back.
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No way in hell do i want him. He is a product of Alabama's Oline and great offense. Slow slow and did i say slow. Here come come a tackler wonder what Lacy is gona Hmmmm spin that's it. He may turn into a decent back but not a home run hitter.
Slow? Gonna be pretty surprised when he lays down a 4.45 at the combine. Worst case he is a 4.55 guy, absolute worst case.
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So how does Bernard get a free pass on the offensive line issue? UNC is going to put 3 of their Olineman into the pros this year. Lacy gets dinged for it as well as Ball from Wisconsin. Doesn't anyone think an Oline with 3 pro quality players wouldn't dominate a pathetic ACC and allow Bernard as much if not more holes than Bama's line in the SEC?
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Slow? Gonna be pretty surprised when he lays down a 4.45 at the combine. Worst case he is a 4.55 guy, absolute worst case.
He seems to explode out of his cuts too. No wasted time getting back to speed.
Can't wait to see his agility tests at the combine.

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So how does Bernard get a free pass on the offensive line issue? UNC is going to put 3 of their Olineman into the pros this year. Lacy gets dinged for it as well as Ball from Wisconsin. Doesn't anyone think an Oline with 3 pro quality players wouldn't dominate a pathetic ACC and allow Bernard as much if not more holes than Bama's line in the SEC?
1. Because Bernard is often cited as the #1 RB in the draft so many just roll with it.
2. Ball hadn't shown much in shifty moves or creating at Wisky until this year really. IMO he has improved a lot.
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So you just discount Lacy without a viable alternative?
Their could be more than one who could break through. Alabama's recent history of good backs not living up to the hype is very credible.

I wouldn't be totally upset with it, but as I've said before I have a funny feeling we'll draft Ball.
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Their could be more than one who could break through. Alabama's recent history of good backs not living up to the hype is very credible.

I wouldn't be totally upset with it, but as I've said before I have a funny feeling we'll draft Ball.
How so? Richardson had a fine year playing with broken ribs and proving to be viable in all aspects of the game.

Ingram is horribly mis-cast in the NO offense.

So far all I have gotten is that he went to Alabama so you don't want him.
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How so? Richardson had a fine year playing with broken ribs and proving to be viable in all aspects of the game.

Ingram is horribly mis-cast in the NO offense.

So far all I have gotten is that he went to Alabama so you don't want him.
they both have not played up to the hype.
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Slow? Gonna be pretty surprised when he lays down a 4.45 at the combine.
...and he wouldn't be alone. If Eddie Lacy puts up a 4.45 at the combine he will be gone within the 1st 10 picks of the draft. If folks thought he could put up a 4.45 he wouldn't have a second round grade. IMO Lacy is every bit the back that T.Rich and Ingram are; but, let's not make him Superman.
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they both have not played up to the hype.

Do you not watch football?

Richardson was great this season, in spite of injury and playing on a crummy team.

Ingram is just burried in the NO offense.
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...and he wouldn't be alone. If Eddie Lacy puts up a 4.45 at the combine he will be gone within the 1st 10 picks of the draft. If folks thought he could put up a 4.45 he wouldn't have a second round grade. IMO Lacy is every bit the back that T.Rich and Ingram are; but, let's not make him Superman.
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1. Because Bernard is often cited as the #1 RB in the draft so many just roll with it.
2. Ball hadn't shown much in shifty moves or creating at Wisky until this year really. IMO he has improved a lot.
I think people take into account the whole package of Bernard, Rushing, Receiving and Returning when we probably shouldn't considering you probably wont have your first round RB returning punts.

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So how does Bernard get a free pass on the offensive line issue? UNC is going to put 3 of their Olineman into the pros this year. Lacy gets dinged for it as well as Ball from Wisconsin. Doesn't anyone think an Oline with 3 pro quality players wouldn't dominate a pathetic ACC and allow Bernard as much if not more holes than Bama's line in the SEC?
Lets be clear on his oline, he has an 1st round OG, 1-2 round OT before injury (missed last 4 games and Gio still had decent games) and a late round OG (late as in 7th). Alot different than 3 guys in rounds 1-2 and one of the better blocking TE's around.

I don't want a RB in round 1 but 2a -2b I would be fine with either Lacy or Gio.
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Do you not watch football?

Richardson was great this season, in spite of injury and playing on a crummy team.

Ingram is just burried in the NO offense.
Yes I watch football and it's not my fault who drafted TRich
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Lets be clear on his oline, he has an 1st round OG, 1-2 round OT before injury (missed last 4 games and Gio still had decent games) and a late round OG (late as in 7th). Alot different than 3 guys in rounds 1-2 and one of the better blocking TE's around.
Not doubting the superiority of Bama's Oline, but consider the competition. UNC's line had the same effect in a defense challenged ACC as Bama's did in a stout SEC.
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Do you not watch football?

Richardson was great this season, in spite of injury and playing on a crummy team.

Ingram is just burried in the NO offense.
If Lacy doesn't go to a team who has a dominant O Line like bama had he'll be mediocre or a little better thats it.
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Slow? Gonna be pretty surprised when he lays down a 4.45 at the combine. Worst case he is a 4.55 guy, absolute worst case.
More than likely not.
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