Zero Dark 30

[Stewee28]

I am anxious to see it. I read the book "No Easy Day" so I want to see if it comares to the book. I dont know if the movie is based on the book. If you read, I highly suggest the book. One of few that kept me on the edge of my seat and made me want to finish it in one day.

Ill be interested to see how the movie is!!!

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by silenetwolf

I have also heard it is not very accurate, for obvious reasons. I have not seen though, just going on what I was told. Now if you want to see a more realistic movie, you have got to check out "We Were Soldiers." This one I did see and it is very realistic. RumbleCat, I don't think it is one you should watch though, even though it is about the 7th Cavalry in Vietnam and their first action against the North Vietnamese.

And you know this based upon all your experience of not being in Vietnam?

[silenetwolf]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

And you know this based upon all your experience of not being in Vietnam?

I was in the service in 1978, my First Sgt was in the 7th Calvary in Vietnam, so yeah I have a good idea considering that our training was based on his and others experience who were in Nam.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by silenetwolf

I was in the service in 1978, my First Sgt was in the 7th Calvary in Vietnam, so yeah I have a good idea considering that our training was based on his and others experience who were in Nam.

Your training was based upon FM 7-8, FM 7-10, FM 25-101, FM 100-5 which established your METL and training management cycle.

Let's not forget your platoon sergeant was a Navy SEAL in Vietnam and your squad leader was a Green Beret in Vietnam, also. Yet, they somehow managed to get assigned to a straight leg infantry unit simultaneously. And they had you fire at targets 3000m away with M16A1s. And for some reason you're impressed that someone could hit a target with a sniper rifle a quarter mile away which is only 400m which is within the max effective range of an M16A1 for a point target.

In my military experience, they only people who call SF soldiers "Green Berets" are civilians.

[Wingnut]

Well, silenetwolf you should learn how to remain silent as well as spell it correctly. You should also learn the difference between cavalry and Calvary. There's no such thing as the 7th Calvary. It's the 7th Cavalry.

You're busted. You deleted your post, but thankfully duke0476 quoted it for me.

http://boards.bengals.com/showpost.p...&postcount=140

Originally Posted by duke0476

I meant the part where you said you were done arguing moot points with him. I could care less whether you are lying or not about serving in the military.

Well, according to you, you were in a field artillery battery as a target acquisition specialist, 17C. And 1 was your skill level which means you weren't promoted beyond Specialist or Corporal. Allegedly. The 0 at the end means you were a leg. It is written "17C10" correctly, not 17c/10. How do I know this? Because I was an 11B4VF7 before I became a 65D so I understand the lingo. You obviously don't.

http://www.apd.army.mil/Home/Links/PDFFiles/MOSBook.pdf

So you may have been in the 7th Infantry DIVISION, but you weren't in an infantry COMPANY and you weren't an infantryman (which is an 11B.) You were in a field artillery battery. Allegedly.

There is no way, NO WAY, you had a former Navy SEAL as a platoon sergeant and a former SF soldier as a squad leader in a field artillery battery.

None. Zip. Zilch.

You're a liar. Which explains the crap about shooting at 3000m targets with M16A1s and why you're so impressed with shooting a target a quarter mile away with a sniper rifle. Because they are lies, too.

Also, I can't find a Battery B, 333rd FA. The only 333rd FA unit I can find was Battery F in Germany, not Ft. Ord, while you were in from 1978-1982. Allegedly.

http://www.history.army.mil/html/for...fa/default.htm

At this point, I don't believe anything you have written and you're probably just another alt.

[RumbleCat]

Originally Posted by silenetwolf

I have also heard it is not very accurate, for obvious reasons. I have not seen though, just going on what I was told. Now if you want to see a more realistic movie, you have got to check out "We Were Soldiers." This one I did see and it is very realistic. RumbleCat, I don't think it is one you should watch though, even though it is about the 7th Cavalry in Vietnam and their first action against the North Vietnamese.

I own "We Were Soldiers".

[silenetwolf]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

Your training was based upon FM 7-8, FM 7-10, FM 25-101, FM 100-5 which established your METL and training management cycle.

Let's not forget your platoon sergeant was a Navy SEAL in Vietnam and your squad leader was a Green Beret in Vietnam, also. Yet, they somehow managed to get assigned to a straight leg infantry unit simultaneously. And they had you fire at targets 3000m away with M16A1s. And for some reason you're impressed that someone could hit a target with a sniper rifle a quarter mile away which is only 400m which is within the max effective range of an M16A1 for a point target.

In my military experience, they only people who call SF soldiers "Green Berets" are civilians.

When were you in? I was with the 7th infantry division located in Monterey Ca. We trained at Camp Roberts and Fort Irwin. As I have said we fired at those ranges not for accuracy or for any other reason except to show that a round could carry that far. We fired at a max of 300 meters for qualification. With the M-60 we fired at 800 meters for qualification.
Considering the time period I was in and the diversity of our superiors who were in Nam. The distinguished themselves according to their role in Vietnam. Thus even though today they are called special forces, back then with our unit, they separated themselves as Green Beret, Navy Seal, 7th Cav, etc.
I also say Green Beret because a lot of people here have no military experience and may not be aware that all of those units I mentioned with the exception of the 7th cav are considered special forces.
We did a lot of things that don't make since, but as we were told there were a lot of mistakes made in Nam that led to a lot of casualties, that could have been prevented had there been proper training. But it was a situation where there was a lot of uncertainty as to what they were getting into, and they did not want to make the same mistake, so we were trained based on the experiences learned the hard way in Nam. Just because a lot of our superiors were spec ops in Nam is irrelevant, we also had NCO's that were in the air force when they served in Nam.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by silenetwolf

When were you in? I was with the 7th infantry division located in Monterey Ca. We trained at Camp Roberts and Fort Irwin. As I have said we fired at those ranges not for accuracy or for any other reason except to show that a round could carry that far. We fired at a max of 300 meters for qualification. With the M-60 we fired at 800 meters for qualification.
Considering the time period I was in and the diversity of our superiors who were in Nam. The distinguished themselves according to their role in Vietnam. Thus even though today they are called special forces, back then with our unit, they separated themselves as Green Beret, Navy Seal, 7th Cav, etc.
I also say Green Beret because a lot of people here have no military experience and may not be aware that all of those units I mentioned with the exception of the 7th cav are considered special forces.
We did a lot of things that don't make since, but as we were told there were a lot of mistakes made in Nam that led to a lot of casualties, that could have been prevented had there been proper training. But it was a situation where there was a lot of uncertainty as to what they were getting into, and they did not want to make the same mistake, so we were trained based on the experiences learned the hard way in Nam. Just because a lot of our superiors were spec ops in Nam is irrelevant, we also had NCO's that were in the air force when they served in Nam.

I suggest you also learn the difference between Special Operation units and Special Forces if you intend to continue perpetrating this fraud because they are distinctly different.

Both Special Forces and Navy SEALS are Special Operations units, but they majority of Special Operation units are not Special Forces. Navy SEALS are not Special Forces and they would be quick to correct you. Special Forces are strictly an Army unit which you colloquially referred to as "Green Berets."

Your frequent mistakes betray you.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

I suggest you also learn the difference between Special Operation units and Special Forces if you intend to continue perpetrating this fraud because they are distinctly different.

Both Special Forces and Navy SEALS are Special Operations units, but they majority of Special Operation units are not Special Forces. Navy SEALS are not Special Forces and they would be quick to correct you. Special Forces are strictly an Army unit which you colloquially referred to as "Green Berets."

Your frequent mistakes betray you.

Would Army Special Forces Consist of

Green Berets
Rangers
*Air Borne*
Delta Squad? (not sure where they land or which branch they belong too )

The Marines have the Recon Unit's

Navy the Seals

Air force has Commandos ? im just trying to remember most ive heard of

[Jabberwocky]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

Would Army Special Forces Consist of

Green Berets
Rangers
*Air Borne*
Delta Squad? (not sure where they land or which branch they belong too )

The Marines have the Recon Unit's

Navy the Seals

Air force has Commandos ? im just trying to remember most ive heard of

My recollection from the 80's:

Special Forces units wear Green Berets.
Ranger units wear Black Berets.
Airborne units (82nd, some 101st and the 10th Mountain Division) wear Red Berets.

In order to qualify to be in a Ranger unit or an SF unit, you have to be Airborne and Air Assault qualifed at a Jumpmaster level. Airborne units themselves are not a "Special Force". Neither are Air Assault units (most of the 101st, 1st Cavalry)

The Delta Force is a covert Army unit comprised of the best of Special Forces and Rangers units. This would be the elite "Special Force" of the Army.

There are "Recon" units in the Army, but Marine Force Recon is the best of the best.

The Navy SEALs, to me, are the most complete "Special Force".

Air Force Commandos are trained Search and Rescue units with specialized training comparable to Special Forces/Ranger units.

Again, I only spent 4 years active with the 101st in the 80's, learning how to pull my lanyard while dangling from a rope (Air Assault, Field Artillery) and things probably have changed since I left.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

Would Army Special Forces Consist of

Green Berets
Rangers
*Air Borne*
Delta Squad? (not sure where they land or which branch they belong too )

The Marines have the Recon Unit's

Navy the Seals

Air force has Commandos ? im just trying to remember most ive heard of

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

My recollection from the 80's:

Special Forces units wear Green Berets.
Ranger units wear Black Berets.
Airborne units (82nd, some 101st and the 10th Mountain Division) wear Red Berets.

In order to qualify to be in a Ranger unit or an SF unit, you have to be Airborne and Air Assault qualifed at a Jumpmaster level. Airborne units themselves are not a "Special Force". Neither are Air Assault units (most of the 101st, 1st Cavalry)

The Delta Force is a covert Army unit comprised of the best of Special Forces and Rangers units. This would be the elite "Special Force" of the Army.

There are "Recon" units in the Army, but Marine Force Recon is the best of the best.

The Navy SEALs, to me, are the most complete "Special Force".

Air Force Commandos are trained Search and Rescue units with specialized training comparable to Special Forces/Ranger units.

Again, I only spent 4 years active with the 101st in the 80's, learning how to pull my lanyard while dangling from a rope (Air Assault, Field Artillery) and things probably have changed since I left.

I think I just suffered an aneurysm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...rations_forces

Special Forces(SF) and Special Operations Forces(SOF) are different terms which mean different things. Some people who don't know any better think the two terms are interchangeable, but only in the case of one SOF unit is this true.

SF is a SOF unit. But, only one of over 20 distinct units which comprise SOF units commanded by USSOCOM and JSOC. None of the other SOF units are SF.

Special Forces refers to one unit and one unit only, the US Army Green Berets who specialize in unconventional warfare such as insurgency/counter-insurgency operations. (Not to be confused with counter-terrorism operations.)

Special Operations Forces refers to all the units commanded by USSOCOM and JSOC. See the list of units in the link above.

See the links below for information regarding USSOCOM and JSOC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ations_Command

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_S...ations_Command

What are your questions?

[Carlos Spicyweiner]

Wingnut and Silentwolf.........
I appreciate your service.

How was the darn movie?

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

I think I just suffered an aneurysm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...rations_forces

Special Forces(SF) and Special Operations Forces(SOF) are different terms which mean different things. Some people who don't know any better think the two terms are interchangeable, but only in the case of one SOF unit is this true.

SF is a SOF unit. But, only one of over 20 distinct units which comprise SOF units commanded by USSOCOM and JSOC. None of the other SOF units are SF.

Special Forces refers to one unit and one unit only, the US Army Green Berets who specialize in unconventional warfare such as insurgency/counter-insurgency operations. (Not to be confused with counter-terrorism operations.)

Special Operations Forces refers to all the units commanded by USSOCOM and JSOC. See the list of units in the link above.

See the links below for information regarding USSOCOM and JSOC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ations_Command

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_S...ations_Command

What are your questions?

I asked my Question but you getting hung up on a techincallity. And other dude is only worried about the color hat they wear.

[Jabberwocky]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

Would Army Special Forces Consist of

Green Berets
Rangers
*Air Borne*
Delta Squad? (not sure where they land or which branch they belong too )

The Marines have the Recon Unit's

Navy the Seals

Air force has Commandos ? im just trying to remember most ive heard of

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

I asked my Question but you getting hung up on a techincallity. And other dude is only worried about the color hat they wear.

I apologize for my lack of an answer. I thought I clarified properly. In a nutshell, yes, you are correct.

[Carlos Spicyweiner]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

I asked my Question but you getting hung up on a techincallity. And other dude is only worried about the color hat they wear.

"She" wore a raspberry beret.

[Jabberwocky]

Originally Posted by Carlos Spicyweiner

"She" wore a raspberry beret.

Did not. It was Fuschia. It went well with our cherry red leg warmers.

[BengalbobZilla]

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

My recollection from the 80's:

Special Forces units wear Green Berets.
Ranger units wear Black Berets.
Airborne units (82nd, some 101st and the 10th Mountain Division) wear Red Berets.

In order to qualify to be in a Ranger unit or an SF unit, you have to be Airborne and Air Assault qualifed at a Jumpmaster level. Airborne units themselves are not a "Special Force". Neither are Air Assault units (most of the 101st, 1st Cavalry)

The Delta Force is a covert Army unit comprised of the best of Special Forces and Rangers units. This would be the elite "Special Force" of the Army.

There are "Recon" units in the Army, but Marine Force Recon is the best of the best.

The Navy SEALs, to me, are the most complete "Special Force".

Air Force Commandos are trained Search and Rescue units with specialized training comparable to Special Forces/Ranger units.

Again, I only spent 4 years active with the 101st in the 80's, learning how to pull my lanyard while dangling from a rope (Air Assault, Field Artillery) and things probably have changed since I left.

Yeah the Air Force SERE team

http://www.airforce.com/careers/deta...d-escape-sere/

[wildcats forever]

So .... did anyone else see the movie, and if so, what did you think?

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by Carlos Spicyweiner

Wingnut and Silentwolf.........
I appreciate your service.

How was the darn movie?

Long and tedious.

Just like the search for OBL himself.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

I asked my Question

I thought I answered your question when I wrote, "Special Forces refers to one unit and one unit only, the US Army Green Berets..."

I didn't think I needed to go through it line by line, but you seem to insist.

but you getting hung up on a techincallity.

"Techincallity"?

Let me show you something...



The Marine Corps is it's own branch, but still a component of the Department of the Navy as indicated by the seal.

Do you call Marines sailors or seamen? I should hope not because it is wrong.

Just like calling any other unit besides the Green Berets "Special Forces" when they are Special Operations is also wrong.

It's not a "techincallity," it's just the way it is. Period.

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

Would Army Special Forces Consist of

Green Berets

Yes, as I've already stated multiple times this is the only unit which is "Special Forces." They are also Special Operations.

Rangers

Special Operations.

*Air Borne*

Neither Special Operations or Special Forces.

Delta Squad? (not sure where they land or which branch they belong too )

Special Operations. Army. Along with DEVGRU, they are the elite of the elite.

The Marines have the Recon Unit's

Force Recon and Recon Battalions have never been a part of USSOCOM and thus aren't Special Operations. But, any Force Recon Marine will argue they are Special Operations.

The Marine Special Operations Regiment was founded in 2006. The Marine Corp Special Operations Command falls under USSOCOM. They are Special Operations.

Navy the Seals

Special Operations.

Air force has Commandos ? im just trying to remember most ive heard of

CCTs, PJs, TACPs, SWOTs...as part of AFSOC...Special Operations.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by BengalbobZilla

Yeah the Air Force SERE team

http://www.airforce.com/careers/deta...d-escape-sere/

Those guys are instructors, whippersnapper.

They are not trigger pullers.

[Blitzberg06]

Well I learned a bunch about the Military but nothing about this movie.


At this point

0 ****s are given.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by Blitzberg06

Well I learned a bunch about the Military but nothing about this movie.


At this point

0 ****s are given.

Imagine watching 3 hours of someone looking for a needle in a haystack. Literally.

That's what this movie is like.

It is not Black Hawk Down.

[Helldog]

Originally Posted by Blitzberg06

Well I learned a bunch about the Military but nothing about this movie.


At this point

0 ****s are given.

So did you pick a number between 0 and 0 Tom tom?

[Blitzberg06]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

Imagine watching 3 hours of someone looking for a needle in a haystack. Literally.

That's what this movie is like.

It is not Black Hawk Down.

Eh I never could get into Black Hawk Down. I may like it.

Originally Posted by Helldog

So did you pick a number between 0 and 0 Tom tom?

0