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Old 01-17-2013, 05:51 AM
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I like Grudens mentality. He is just as agressive on the sidelines as Zimmer...I think Dalton needs to be protected more...Let Micheal Johnson go (inconsistent)....& sign Cliff Avril....Let Andre Smith walk because he can easily get beat by a fast DE that will run around him..so ..i think we should draft OT Oday Aboughi...2 big contracts Mike Brown can get out of paying...while picking up Avril.
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I like Grudens mentality. He is just as agressive on the sidelines as Zimmer...I think Dalton needs to be protected more...Let Micheal Johnson go (inconsistent)....& sign Cliff Avril....Let Andre Smith walk because he can easily get beat by a fast DE that will run around him..so ..i think we should draft OT Oday Aboughi...2 big contracts Mike Brown can get out of paying...while picking up Avril.
Get rid of MJ, and sign Avril? Avril has less tackles and sacks than MJ while not being as good in the run game. Plus the reason Avril has yet to be signed to a long term deal in Detroit is he wants huge money, Jared Allen type money.
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If he goes anywhere else and sets the world on fire, we'll have a clearer picture of where the problems lies.
I don't know how dumb some of you Bengal fans can be!!! All of you were saying the same exact thing when Bratkowski was coordinator. IT'S NOT GRUDEN!!!!! I'll point my finger to either the line coach, Paul Alexander, or Marvin.
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If he goes anywhere else and sets the world on fire, we'll have a clearer picture of where the problems lies.

Truth.

Boy that would be a real big slap in the face to 90% of the posters here
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Truth.

Boy that would be a real big slap in the face to 90% of the posters here
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Now we have idiots who want to run Gruden out of town?

Good lord. Now I know why the bengals are cursed. They have so many idiot fans that God decided they don't deserve to ever win a championship.
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Now we have idiots who want to run Gruden out of town?

Good lord. Now I know why the bengals are cursed. They have so many idiot fans that God decided they don't deserve to ever win a championship.

Tell em Joe!
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I will not be convinced until its Breaking News tickering across the bottom of ESPNs screen. Ill believe it when I see it. Lot of people are acting like its a done deal. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid, deal isnt done.

Remember, Clayton is reporting this from his moms house with a box of Chinese next to his desk and Metallica on Pause. He has a rip-away suit for Christ's sake. Can he really be that credible?
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I will not be convinced until its Breaking News tickering across the bottom of ESPNs screen. Ill believe it when I see it. Lot of people are acting like its a done deal. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid, deal isnt done.

Remember, Clayton is reporting this from his moms house with a box of Chinese next to his desk and Metallica on Pause. He has a rip-away suit for Christ's sake. Can he really be that credible?

What if he seen it in the middle of a fortune cookie? You wouldn't be doubting him then..
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What if he seen it in the middle of a fortune cookie? You wouldn't be doubting him then..
Then I shall become a believer my friend!!! Hahaha
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[quote=Stewee28;2781696]I will not be convinced until its Breaking News tickering across the bottom of ESPNs screen. Ill believe it when I see it. Lot of people are acting like its a done deal. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid, deal isnt done.

Remember, Clayton is reporting this from his moms house with a box of Chinese next to his desk and Metallica on Pause. He has a rip-away suit for Christ's sake. Can he really be that credible?[/QUOTE]

Not sure, Metallica is pretty good. You think he has some Panera too?


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I will not be convinced until its Breaking News tickering across the bottom of ESPNs screen. Ill believe it when I see it. Lot of people are acting like its a done deal. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid, deal isnt done.

Remember, Clayton is reporting this from his moms house with a box of Chinese next to his desk and Metallica on Pause. He has a rip-away suit for Christ's sake. Can he really be that credible?
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It's already pretty obvious where the main problem lies... only a select few of us care to acknowledge it.
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"I still think in the end it's going to be Jay Gruden," Clayton said. "I can't see Bruce Arians wanting to just get a head coaching job. I mean this guy; he's got a great situation. Why leave Andrew Luck? He's that good." Clayton believes Arians will get plenty of offers next offseason and has no reason to rush into a situation -- particularly if it ends up being a poor fit.

"If you're attached to Andrew Luck and you are as good as coach as [Arians] is why leave him? You'll get offers next year," Clayton said.

Even if the Cardinals made Arians an offer, Clayton is not convinced he will accept.

http://arizonasports.com/40/1602617/...be-Cards-coach
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Not sure, Metallica is pretty good. You think he has some Panera too?


He doesn't strike me as the soup and sandwich type of guy in that commercial.
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I will not be convinced until its Breaking News tickering across the bottom of ESPNs screen. Ill believe it when I see it. Lot of people are acting like its a done deal. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid, deal isnt done.

Remember, Clayton is reporting this from his moms house with a box of Chinese next to his desk and Metallica on Pause. He has a rip-away suit for Christ's sake. Can he really be that credible?[/QUOTE]

Not sure, Metallica is pretty good. You think he has some Panera too?


I LOVE Metallica. Great music. Awesome for working out. I have no ill feelings towards metallica!
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I will not be convinced until its Breaking News tickering across the bottom of ESPNs screen. Ill believe it when I see it. Lot of people are acting like its a done deal. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid, deal isnt done.

Remember, Clayton is reporting this from his moms house with a box of Chinese next to his desk and Metallica on Pause. He has a rip-away suit for Christ's sake. Can he really be that credible?
True that. ESPN is the king of reporting things before they happen.
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Well its down to just the arizona job.

It will either be Jay or Bruce..

Or San Frans Offensive coordinator
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Arizona is gonna be a Tough Job but I know Jay can get it done...
I actually think it's one of the better jobs available. Team already has a legit defense, a top WR and some other offensive pieces in place.

They get a good to very good QB in the draft and he has success early then you could talk about AZ as a potential wildcard team. He needs to get that QB though.
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I actually think it's one of the better jobs available. Team already has a legit defense, a top WR and some other offensive pieces in place.

They get a good to very good QB in the draft and he has success early then you could talk about AZ as a potential wildcard team. He needs to get that QB though.
I wasnt talking about the Talent but the Ownership. They have the lowest paid GM in the league making less than 1 mil a year. I cant imagine what they are offering to the Head coaching Canidates.

But with that D and Fitz they just need a Whole new OL QB and a RB
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Dude....not Bengals related but your siggy with a family sitting in a swimming pool of blood is.....well.....more than disturbing....not in a good way either.
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Dude....not Bengals related but your siggy with a family sitting in a swimming pool of blood is.....well.....more than disturbing....not in a good way either.
Whew, I was not the only one to think that!
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All Head Coaching Positions have Been Fill Gruden will return as Offensive Coordinator.

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As I've said elsewhere...

GRUDEN MUST GO.

He is AWFUL.

The ONLY stat that matters is that Gruden LOSES to good teams.

1. He cannot move the ball and score points against good teams. Look at Cincy's offensive output vs Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Absolutely wretched. The Giants game now looks like a fluke. The offense did okay against Denver until the 4th quarter when Cincy just needed first downs (not even touchdowns) and couldn't get them. The egg laid vs Miami made me nauseous. The second half of the Cleveland loss made me puke.

2. Gruden is WORSE every time he faces a familiar opponent (usually meaning the second time he faces someone). Good grief, Cincy had just ONE meaningful play in Pittsburgh territory in the win--and that was a pass to get into field goal range. Gruden only beat Balt because our backups played better than Balt's backups. And look at Houston: 19 points, then 10 points, then 6 offensive points. (The only teams' starters that Gruden has beaten in a second meeting were Cleveland in '11, and the offense didn't have a lead until a FG when the clock expired, and Jacksonville in '12--and they were 2-12.)

3. Dalton and Green are NOT progressing. They played in December and January as if they were raw rookies in preseason games. Just completely out of synch. Second seasons are supposed to be much better but this one wasn't when it mattered. There is NO EXCUSE for this passing game falling off a cliff in the second half of '11 and '12. Plus, the pass blocking inexplicably became absolutely atrocious after having a solid stretch of good performances.

4. The IDIOTIC gameplan in the playoffs. Especially that Gruden stuck with it in the second qtr after it failed so miserably in the first qtr. Gruden looked like this was the first game plan he ever made.

5. Gruden CANNOT make in-game adjustments. If his plan doesn't work from the get-go, he has no counter. (If a team is successful getting pressure on Dalton, Gruden STILL calls 5 step drops with long routes--just stupid. And when he calls a screen--that one time in a million--the play is usually botched because he calls them so rarely.) If his plan works, but the other team adjusts to stop it, then Gruden has no counter-adjustment. He simply cannot perform at this level. We've lost way too many games, especially two playoff games (rare gems for this team) because of Gruden. The defense plays its guts out. It deserves better from the offense.

IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER.

Either (A) Dalton is a good franchise quarterback hamstrung by bad coaching or (B ) Gruden is a good coach and Dalton is a bad quarterback. Why? Because if it's (C) Dalton and Gruden are both performing well, then (D) they both stink and BOTH need replaced. I think it's A.

I am OUTRAGED that Gruden still has his job. I am hoping that Mike Brown didn't fire Gruden simply to make him more attractive to other teams. Otherwise we have yet another incidence of MB's incompetence as a General Manager.
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As I've said elsewhere...

GRUDEN MUST GO.

He is AWFUL.

The ONLY stat that matters is that Gruden LOSES to good teams.

1. He cannot move the ball and score points against good teams. Look at Cincy's offensive output vs Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Absolutely wretched. The Giants game now looks like a fluke. The offense did okay against Denver until the 4th quarter when Cincy just needed first downs (not even touchdowns) and couldn't get them. The egg laid vs Miami made me nauseous. The second half of the Cleveland loss made me puke.

2. Gruden is WORSE every time he faces a familiar opponent (usually meaning the second time he faces someone). Good grief, Cincy had just ONE meaningful play in Pittsburgh territory in the win--and that was a pass to get into field goal range. Gruden only beat Balt because our backups played better than Balt's backups. And look at Houston: 19 points, then 10 points, then 6 offensive points. (The only teams' starters that Gruden has beaten in a second meeting were Cleveland in '11, and the offense didn't have a lead until a FG when the clock expired, and Jacksonville in '12--and they were 2-12.)

3. Dalton and Green are NOT progressing. They played in December and January as if they were raw rookies in preseason games. Just completely out of synch. Second seasons are supposed to be much better but this one wasn't when it mattered. There is NO EXCUSE for this passing game falling off a cliff in the second half of '11 and '12. Plus, the pass blocking inexplicably became absolutely atrocious after having a solid stretch of good performances.

4. The IDIOTIC gameplan in the playoffs. Especially that Gruden stuck with it in the second qtr after it failed so miserably in the first qtr. Gruden looked like this was the first game plan he ever made.

5. Gruden CANNOT make in-game adjustments. If his plan doesn't work from the get-go, he has no counter. (If a team is successful getting pressure on Dalton, Gruden STILL calls 5 step drops with long routes--just stupid. And when he calls a screen--that one time in a million--the play is usually botched because he calls them so rarely.) If his plan works, but the other team adjusts to stop it, then Gruden has no counter-adjustment. He simply cannot perform at this level. We've lost way too many games, especially two playoff games (rare gems for this team) because of Gruden. The defense plays its guts out. It deserves better from the offense.

IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER.

Either (A) Dalton is a good franchise quarterback hamstrung by bad coaching or (B ) Gruden is a good coach and Dalton is a bad quarterback. Why? Because if it's (C) Dalton and Gruden are both performing well, then (D) they both stink and BOTH need replaced. I think it's A.

I am OUTRAGED that Gruden still has his job. I am hoping that Mike Brown didn't fire Gruden simply to make him more attractive to other teams. Otherwise we have yet another incidence of MB's incompetence as a General Manager.
I agree, for the most part.
But now we will just have to wait and see, if he can improve. Because he is the Bengals OC.
So now we just hope. Like every other offseason.
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As I've said elsewhere...

GRUDEN MUST GO.

He is AWFUL.

The ONLY stat that matters is that Gruden LOSES to good teams.

1. He cannot move the ball and score points against good teams. Look at Cincy's offensive output vs Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Absolutely wretched. The Giants game now looks like a fluke. The offense did okay against Denver until the 4th quarter when Cincy just needed first downs (not even touchdowns) and couldn't get them. The egg laid vs Miami made me nauseous. The second half of the Cleveland loss made me puke.

2. Gruden is WORSE every time he faces a familiar opponent (usually meaning the second time he faces someone). Good grief, Cincy had just ONE meaningful play in Pittsburgh territory in the win--and that was a pass to get into field goal range. Gruden only beat Balt because our backups played better than Balt's backups. And look at Houston: 19 points, then 10 points, then 6 offensive points. (The only teams' starters that Gruden has beaten in a second meeting were Cleveland in '11, and the offense didn't have a lead until a FG when the clock expired, and Jacksonville in '12--and they were 2-12.)

3. Dalton and Green are NOT progressing. They played in December and January as if they were raw rookies in preseason games. Just completely out of synch. Second seasons are supposed to be much better but this one wasn't when it mattered. There is NO EXCUSE for this passing game falling off a cliff in the second half of '11 and '12. Plus, the pass blocking inexplicably became absolutely atrocious after having a solid stretch of good performances.

4. The IDIOTIC gameplan in the playoffs. Especially that Gruden stuck with it in the second qtr after it failed so miserably in the first qtr. Gruden looked like this was the first game plan he ever made.

5. Gruden CANNOT make in-game adjustments. If his plan doesn't work from the get-go, he has no counter. (If a team is successful getting pressure on Dalton, Gruden STILL calls 5 step drops with long routes--just stupid. And when he calls a screen--that one time in a million--the play is usually botched because he calls them so rarely.) If his plan works, but the other team adjusts to stop it, then Gruden has no counter-adjustment. He simply cannot perform at this level. We've lost way too many games, especially two playoff games (rare gems for this team) because of Gruden. The defense plays its guts out. It deserves better from the offense.

IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER.

Either (A) Dalton is a good franchise quarterback hamstrung by bad coaching or (B ) Gruden is a good coach and Dalton is a bad quarterback. Why? Because if it's (C) Dalton and Gruden are both performing well, then (D) they both stink and BOTH need replaced. I think it's A.

I am OUTRAGED that Gruden still has his job. I am hoping that Mike Brown didn't fire Gruden simply to make him more attractive to other teams. Otherwise we have yet another incidence of MB's incompetence as a General Manager.
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