Draft Tyrann Mathieu in the 3rd round

[eoxyod]

No way. He doesn't have that much ability to warrant the pick with so much baggage. He would need to transition to safety, and he's not very good otherwise. Just aggressive

[bfine32]

Tyrann Mathieu is Cortland Finnegan with return skills.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by dr1441

You sound very uneducated or you have never watched the kid. He forced quit a few of turnovers in his career, including interceptions and forced fumbles.

He forced 11 career fumbles, 2 for TD's. Recovered 6 fumbles, and had 4 career INT's.

To consider him just a punt returner solely is biased and not fair.

So you are saying you would consider him a top tier CB in this class? Especially given the fact he has not played football all season.

[dr1441]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

So you are saying you would consider him a top tier CB in this class? Especially given the fact he has not played football all season.

No he isn't a top corner, that is beyond ridiculous. But to say he is just a primary punt returner is even more ridiculous.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by bfine32

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingre...13tmathieu.php



Kinda just mentions the kick returning as an after thought.

Yes that is a quote from Walterfootball. What your quote does not show is they have himm ranked 23 among CB prospect.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by dr1441

No he isn't a top corner, that is beyond ridiculous. But to say he is just a primary punt returner is even more ridiculous.

Ok so he is not a top corner as admitted by you yet he would be worthy of a 3rd selection? I mean you started this discussion by basically stating that it would not be a wasted selection. Now you admit he is not a top CB so what would be the merits of using a 3rd round selection on him other than return ability?

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Yes that is a quote from Walterfootball. What your quote does not show is they have himm ranked 23 among CB prospect.

They also have him getting drafted in the 3rd round.

[Hammerstripes]

Originally Posted by Stewy

He won't be there. If J. Jenkins can get drafted in the 2nd with his mountain of problems, Tyrann isn't getting into the third with his mole hill.

Jenkins was a legit top 5 type CB who has rare cover skills.

Tyrann is a borderline NFL DB that has outstanding return skills. The two situations don't even compare.

[whoDey beer]

If you want a return man, just draft Ace Sanders in the third...and wait and see on H.Badger

[pulses]

Originally Posted by whoDey beer

If you want a return man, just draft Ace Sanders in the third...and wait and see on H.Badger

NO return man is worth a 3rd

[dr1441]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Ok so he is not a top corner as admitted by you yet he would be worthy of a 3rd selection? I mean you started this discussion by basically stating that it would not be a wasted selection. Now you admit he is not a top CB so what would be the merits of using a 3rd round selection on him other than return ability?

I am not really even sure what to make of this Tim.

You don't make any sense. Was Dontay Moch a top OLB in the draft? How about Jordan Shipley, was he a top WR?

I don't understand your coloration between a top CB and Mathieu where I said I would take him in the 3rd.

Please help me understand TimmyW.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Hammerstripes

Jenkins was a legit top 5 type CB who has rare cover skills.

Tyrann is a borderline NFL DB that has outstanding return skills. The two situations don't even compare.

Originally Posted by whoDey beer

If you want a return man, just draft Ace Sanders in the third...and wait and see on H.Badger

Originally Posted by pulses

NO return man is worth a 3rd

Originally Posted by dr1441

I am not really even sure what to make of this Tim.

You don't make any sense. Was Dontay Moch a top OLB in the draft? How about Jordan Shipley, was he a top WR?

I don't understand your coloration between a top CB and Mathieu where I said I would take him in the 3rd.

Please help me understand TimmyW.

As you can see I am not the only one that has some concern about him and the skillset he brings to the table. Bottomline ....I would not us a third on him. If you would then good for you. I do not agree.

[Au165]

Originally Posted by Stewy

He won't be there. If J. Jenkins can get drafted in the 2nd with his mountain of problems, Tyrann isn't getting into the third with his mole hill.

Why? Janoris Jenkins was a very very good corner. Tyrannn Mathieu is very average, but a very good returner. A 3rd is not the time to take a flyer on a kick returner that is an average corner. Someone may take a shot early at him but we don't need to.

[cheese]

I have a feeling this kid will be a steal for somebody and I hope it's us. He might even be available in the 4th.

[Au165]

Originally Posted by cheese

I have a feeling this kid will be a steal for somebody and I hope it's us. He might even be available in the 4th.

He is a 5th or 6th round talent as a CB......everyone just knows his nickname

[BengalBuckeye]

Originally Posted by pulses

NO return man is worth a 3rd

Mathieu is not just a return man.HBes one of the top cover guys out thbere.His only down falls are his height and off the field issues and not his cover skills.

[cheese]

Originally Posted by Au165

He is a 5th or 6th round talent as a CB......everyone just knows his nickname

As a pure cover guy, maybe. He makes a ton of big plays though (returns, turnovers, etc) and this league has room for anybody who can make big plays on a consistent basis.

[Au165]

Originally Posted by cheese

As a pure cover guy, maybe. He makes a ton of big plays though (returns, turnovers, etc) and this league has room for anybody who can make big plays on a consistent basis.

except he always goes for the strip which leads to missed or broken tackles. Like I said he got a cool nick name and everyone fell in love with him. When you watch him play he trys to jump every route. He will get killed with double moves and by good QBs who know what he is going to do. Like I said he is not worth a 3rd, but someone will take him.

[Boywonder]

If the draft had an 8th round I'd take him there.

[dr1441]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

As you can see I am not the only one that has some concern about him and the skillset he brings to the table. Bottomline ....I would not us a third on him. If you would then good for you. I do not agree.

I guess if you just answer my question with some other topic it will work. Good job TimW.

[WeSaidThat]

Would love to have him in Cincy. 3rd seems a little high though.

[BBlesmiley]

If we could get him in the 4-5 range I would call it a steal. His interviews at the combine will be huge but the talent can't really be denied. He won't come in and be a Revis type of corner but he has instincts and a nose for the ball that can't be coached. Thats where his value is.

[Hammerstripes]

Originally Posted by dr1441

No he isn't a top corner, that is beyond ridiculous. But to say he is just a primary punt returner is even more ridiculous.

I don't see how it's that out of the question. Devin Hester is a primary punt returner.

Just because Mathieu forced a bunch of fumbles at the college level doesn't make me change my mind about how he projects as a pro. He is short, didn't cover that well in college and is not a good projection to safety.

[henrizzle]

Originally Posted by Stewy

He won't be there. If J. Jenkins can get drafted in the 2nd with his mountain of problems, Tyrann isn't getting into the third with his mole hill.

Jenkins was the best cover corner in the draft. Mathieu is good, but I'm not sure he's a first rounder even without his problems. Nickel back at best if you ask me.

[TGISunday]

He could be a nickel back with us; primary return man. Third? No way...

He could be best in a talented, assignment based defense where he was the person that could roam and create havoc--much like he did at LSU. Thank goodness Pittsburgh has a zero tolerance policy for these types of characters.

I just can't see him having the defensive success he did at LSU translate to the NFL, unless his counterparts were super solid. There are few teams that have a defensive backfield he would work in, given the proliferation for the pass.

All that said, I wouldn't hesitate to throw a fifth at him.