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Old 01-20-2013, 03:35 PM
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Coach Lewis told the coaches to evaluate their players, who needs kept, who can be replaced going into free agency and the draft of the off season.

So you fans evaluate the starters on here.....you be the owner, GM and head coach......This isn't a free agency thread or a draft thread......it is your opinion of how solid we are at positions and how ready we are to win play-off games and such.

I will start with QB and say he will be back as the starter. No doubt about it.

RB may need an upgrade at starter. I'm still not sure Green Ellis is a starter, though he did have some good games.

WR needs an upgrade. Green is solid but are we 3 or 4 deep to run a 3 or 4 WR offense. Bengals are struggling at that. Sanu looked good for a few games. I would definatly say WR needs an upgrade to win play-offs and take double coverage off of Green.

TE starter is in Pro Bowl game...Nuff Said

The O Line.....Is there room for improvement at O Line ???....I would say yes....If we had all the starters healthy in 2013, it would be a good veteran unit....It is usually a good thing to have all the starters back....Still, I'm hoping the O Line reaches Super Bowl level at some point, and they aren't there yet. Zeitler becoming a solid vet would help. Injuries kept us from have 5 starters all of the season. ( LG was a replacement, most of season C was a replacement due to injuries to starters )....Just having the starters back and healthy would be an improvement. So we could be OK with just the starters back and healthy.

The D Line....This group of starter is solid if we keep MJ at DE

LB....I see alot of room for improvement at LB. Burfict came in and saved the day in 2012. With the D Line as good as it is, the LBs should look alot better than they do......We do not have 3 starting LBs to win play-off games and I'm hoping that changes.

DB... I look for Hall and young Kirkpatrick to be starting CBs....Nelson is solid at safety....Crocker had to brought back after Miles and Sands didn't pan out, but Crocker is a free agent and we might want improvement here anyway.

Kicker and Punter....All are up for free agency, the punter and both kickers...If we keep Huber and either Nugent or Brown, we are solid....

So I think we are play-off win ready at alot of positions....but WR and LB are needs of improvement because we just don't have enough solid starters .....and I'm not sure about RB, I'm not sure we are using Green Ellis right as the # 1 RB.

but how deep do you think we are at starters going into 2013 ???......again this isn't a free agency or draft thread on who you want.....it's what do you think of the starters we already have....I'm hoping this thread has fans focus on what you think of the 2012 starters going into 2013, and not a fantasy list of other teams players. This is the reason I didn't put this in free agency thread because I'm not asking your opinion on other teams players, just our Bengal starters. Who needs kept or replaced to get that long awaited play-off win ?.......I came up with WR and LB as weak areas needing improvement.
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Part 1: offence
QB. Dalton will be our starter for at least the next few seasons. I think he can win a super bowl as long as he has good pieces around him.
RB. The LawFirm is what he is, a solid short yard, TD gathering RB. We need a RB who has the speed and moves to get long TD runs, and the hands to catch the ball well out of the backfield.
FB. We are good here.
WR. Green is one of the top WR's in the game. Sanu will become a great slot guy, who can still play outside if need be. Marvin Jones is very raw, but has the size and speed to be our #2 of the future. If a WR is bpa draft him to be our #2 and have Jones be the #4 backing up both outside guys. I would like a solid vet added in FA.
TE. Gresham will be back, 2X pro bowler, needs to get more consistent.
LT. Whit is getting up there in age and I wouldn't mind a mid round draft pick added, but no need to replace.
LG. I think Boling will be our LG moving forward.
C. I would like the kid from Wisconsin in the second round to complete our O-line.
RG. Big Z is our RG for the future. I think he will become our best o-lineman in a few years.
RT. Smith needs to be brought back.
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Part 2: Defense and special teams
DE: Bring back our FA's, maybe add a draft pick if they are bpa to make our pass rush even better.
DT: Geno is the best in the league imo, Peko is solid, Sims is a good player, and we have a second and third rounder riding the bench. No need to bring any in.
OLB: I think we need 1-2 new starters depending on if we move Burfict to MLB or not. One FA and one draft pick would work for me.
MLB: Needs replaced, either with Burfict or a new addition. Malaluga needs to be on the bench if he is brought back, as he is a bad starter but would be solid depth.
CB: Hall is good, Kirk needs to see the field. Pacman is solid, and Newman played good this year. We may need to bring in a draft pick or 2 to add youth to the group but only if it is bpa, imo.
FS: Nelson is good, but if we bring in a pure FS he could be moved to SS.
SS: I would love to move Nelson here and add Rambo in the 3rd round. That would give us 2 playmakers at safety.
K: Bring back Josh Brown.
P: Bring back Huber.
KR: Tate needs replaced, either someone on the team or a new guy.
PR: If Pacman is not needed at CB he is one of the best PR in the NFL, however if he is needed at CB mostly I would like a new guy, perhaps the same guy who takes over KR.

Over all we have a solid team who just needs a few more pieces to make a run at a championship, imo.
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if we cant find a safety,whats the chances of kirkpatrick ever moving to safety? hes got the size and speed..and is really solid in zone coverage..
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QB. A.Dalton - Starter (Time to take that next step, Will evaluate after season)
B.Gradkowski - Released (Can be replaced)

HB. B.Green-Ellis - Starter (Depends on who is brought in)
B.Scott - Released (Can be replaced)
B.Leonard - Released (Can be replaced)
C.Peerman - Keeper (Great Special Teams player, nice 3rd string back)
D.Herron - Practice Squad (Doesn't hurt to keep around)

FB. C.Pressley - Starter (Improving and fits our scheme)
J.Connor - Possible Return (Depends on roster space available)

WR. AJ.Green - Starter (Elite Talent, barely scratching surface of potential)
M.Sanu - Keeper (Room to grow, show great hands)
M.Jones Keeper (Has raw potential, needs time to develope)
A.Hawkins - Keeper (Very scrappy, has overachieved original expecatations)
B.Tate - Released (Can be replaced)
R.Whalen - Possible Return or Release (Doesn't hurt either way)

TE. J.Gresham - Starter (Time to step up, Will evaluate after season)
O.Charles - Keeper (Room to grow, does everything asked of him)
R.Quinn - Released (Can be replaced)
C.Harris - Keeper (Has done his job very well)

LT. A.Whitworth - Starter (Veteran leader on this team)
A.Collins - Keeper (Adss great depth to O-line)

LG. C.Boling - Starter (Could depend on what we think of Wharton)
T.Wharton - Questionable (Depends on health, could be replaced if not thought of as starter)

C. K.Cook - Starter (Will have to fight for it)
T.Robinson - Keeper (Should get opportunity to compete for starter)

RG. K.Zeitler - Starter (Future Star)

RT. A.Smith - Re-signed (Has made improvements we wanted)
D.Roland - Possible Return or Release (Could go either way here)

DE. M.Johnson - Re-signed (Has made improvements we wanted)
C.Dunlap - Starter (Time to prove himself, will evaluate after season)
R.Geathers - Possible Return or Release (Doesn't hurt either way, depends on asking price)
W.Gilberry - Possible return or Release (Doesn't hurt either way, depends on asking price)
J.Anderson - Possible Return or Release (Depends on health and market, can be replaced)

DT. G.Atkins - Starter (Elite Talent, need to lock him in)
D.Peko - Starter (Solid but should have to fight for it)
P.Sims - Possible Return or Release (Great Depth, depends on asking price)
D.Still - Keeper (Room to grow, great depth)
B.Thompson - Keeper (Room to grow, great depth)

OLB.V.Burfict - Starter (Bright spot of the year, should be looked at for starting ML
M.Lawson - Released (Can be replaced)
E.Lamur - Keeper (Showed some potential, room to grow)
D.Skuta - Possible Return or Release (Good special teams player, can be replaced)
V.Rey - Possible Return or Release (Good special teams player, can be replaced)
D.Moch - Keeper (Time to see if he's worth it, possible transition to DE)

MLB.R.Maualuga - Released (Has not made improvements we wanted)

CB. L.Hall - Starter (Veteran leader on this team)
T.Newman - Possible Return or Release (Depends on who is brought in and asking price)
A.Jones - Re-signed (Played very well for us, great depth)
J.Allen - Released (Can be replaced)
D.Kirkpatrick - Keeper (Should get chance to shine this year)
B.Ghee - Possible Return or Release (Can be replaced)

FS. R.Nelson - Starter (Played very well)
G.Illoka - Possible Return or Release (Doesn't hurt either way)
R.Sands - Released (Can be replaced)

SS. C.Crocker - Released (Can be replaced)
N.Clements - Released (Can be replaced)
T.Mays - Possible Return or Release (Doesn't hurt either way, Possible transition to OL
J.Miles - Possible Return or Release (Good special teams player, can be replaced)

K. M.Nugent - Possible Return or Release (Will need to fight for it)
J.Brown - Possible Return or Release (Will need to fight for it)

P. K.Huber - Starter (Played very well this year)

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Not much to add, but just want to emphasize the need to look at ways to strengthen in areas of what I see as priority

LBs
#2 WR
RB / OLine (neck to neck on this one)
Safety

Also, and again, backup QB. And doesn't need Bruce anymore.
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QB. A.Dalton - Starter (Time to take that next step, Will evaluate after season)
B.Gradkowski - Released (Can be replaced)

HB. B.Green-Ellis - Starter (Depends on who is brought in)
B.Scott - Released (Can be replaced)
B.Leonard - Released (Can be replaced)
C.Peerman - Keeper (Great Special Teams player, nice 3rd string back)
D.Herron - Practice Squad (Doesn't hurt to keep around)

FB. C.Pressley - Starter (Improving and fits our scheme)
J.Connor - Possible Return (Depends on roster space available)

WR. AJ.Green - Starter (Elite Talent, barely scratching surface of potential)
M.Sanu - Keeper (Room to grow, show great hands)
M.Jones Keeper (Has raw potential, needs time to develope)
A.Hawkins - Keeper (Very scrappy, has overachieved original expecatations)
B.Tate - Released (Can be replaced)
R.Whalen - Possible Return or Release (Doesn't hurt either way)

TE. J.Gresham - Starter (Time to step up, Will evaluate after season)
O.Charles - Keeper (Room to grow, does everything asked of him)
R.Quinn - Released (Can be replaced)
C.Harris - Keeper (Has done his job very well)

LT. A.Whitworth - Starter (Veteran leader on this team)
A.Collins - Keeper (Adss great depth to O-line)

LG. C.Boling - Starter (Could depend on what we think of Wharton)
T.Wharton - Questionable (Depends on health, could be replaced if not thought of as starter)

C. K.Cook - Starter (Will have to fight for it)
T.Robinson - Keeper (Should get opportunity to compete for starter)

RG. K.Zeitler - Starter (Future Star)

RT. A.Smith - Re-signed (Has made improvements we wanted)
D.Roland - Possible Return or Release (Could go either way here)

DE. M.Johnson - Re-signed (Has made improvements we wanted)
C.Dunlap - Starter (Time to prove himself, will evaluate after season)
R.Geathers - Possible Return or Release (Doesn't hurt either way, depends on asking price)
W.Gilberry - Possible return or Release (Doesn't hurt either way, depends on asking price)
J.Anderson - Possible Return or Release (Depends on health and market, can be replaced)

DT. G.Atkins - Starter (Elite Talent, need to lock him in)
D.Peko - Starter (Solid but should have to fight for it)
P.Sims - Possible Return or Release (Great Depth, depends on asking price)
D.Still - Keeper (Room to grow, great depth)
B.Thompson - Keeper (Room to grow, great depth)

OLB.V.Burfict - Starter (Bright spot of the year, should be looked at for starting ML
M.Lawson - Released (Can be replaced)
E.Lamur - Keeper (Showed some potential, room to grow)
D.Skuta - Possible Return or Release (Good special teams player, can be replaced)
V.Rey - Possible Return or Release (Good special teams player, can be replaced)
D.Moch - Keeper (Time to see if he's worth it, possible transition to DE)

MLB.R.Maualuga - Released (Has not made improvements we wanted)

CB. L.Hall - Starter (Veteran leader on this team)
T.Newman - Possible Return or Release (Depends on who is brought in and asking price)
A.Jones - Re-signed (Played very well for us, great depth)
J.Allen - Released (Can be replaced)
D.Kirkpatrick - Keeper (Should get chance to shine this year)
B.Ghee - Possible Return or Release (Can be replaced)

FS. R.Nelson - Starter (Played very well)
G.Illoka - Possible Return or Release (Doesn't hurt either way)
R.Sands - Released (Can be replaced)

SS. C.Crocker - Released (Can be replaced)
N.Clements - Released (Can be replaced)
T.Mays - Possible Return or Release (Doesn't hurt either way, Possible transition to OL
J.Miles - Possible Return or Release (Good special teams player, can be replaced)

K. M.Nugent - Possible Return or Release (Will need to fight for it)
J.Brown - Possible Return or Release (Will need to fight for it)

P. K.Huber - Starter (Played very well this year)
BengalMarv posted some generally good stuff. I'm surprised you have Manny Lawson getting released. Crocker and Clements being gone at SS may not be a foregone conclusion either...even if we draft someone.

If Grad goes, would Zac Robinson have a legitimate shot at backup? Should he?

Also, what do you think of Tony Dye at Safety (looked good in pre-season). Also, I think Jamaal Anderson is probably gone. How do you feel about DeQuin Evans (also looked good in pre-season).
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QB- This is Dalton's team going into year 3. I think he will have his best year next season.

RB- BJGE had a pretty good year. He would be the starter for me heading into camp. My only knock would be his lack of break away speed. This would be my number one goal come draft weekend. The addition of a RB who can turn those nice 20-30 yard law firm runs into breathtaking TD runs. Will keep the other guys honest and help protect Dalton.

TE- I like all 3 TE the Bengals have and would give the Gresham, Charles and Quinn group another year to improve. No need to take a TE but a few UDFA would be cool for competition.

OL- This one has me a bit confused. If A. Smith is tagged of resigned I like this group. Wharton will be back to ad some competition to the LG spot. Whitworth is the man enough said. Center gets pounded on these boards but with the emergence of Robinson puts me at ease. Cook is not garbage but could lose his starting role come week 1. I love the rookie Zeitler and can't wait to see him in year 2. I would pool into a LT, RT or C in rounds 3-6. Not saying all three need to be addressed in the draft but both tackle spots need youth and promise.

WR- This is a spot I think needs to be on the table within rounds 1-2. This team has an impressive young WR corps but why not be amazing! Know others want to go the vet FA route but not me. I would take a playmaker in round 1 or with the Palmer pick at the top of round 2.

DL- MJ looks large but Atkins is the key. The front office will need to crank up the presses to keep this young sack machine together. I would not be upset with a few project DE come the second day of the draft. Dunlap, Gillberry and Peko all play a huge role. Don't forget about the two young DT taken last year. The D-Line is the strength of the team no doubt!

LB- MLB and both OLB spots are thin but promising. Can Vontaze make the move back to MLB? Will Lammur take the next step and replace Lawson or Howard long term? I love Skuta but outside of him I would look for upgrades. Rounds 1-3 should send two young men to the natti looking to make it big.

CB- As talented as any group but a bit old. Kilpatrick and Ghee are both still a bit of a mystery. With Hall, Clements, Newman, Allen and my favorite Adam Jones are not exscatly young bucks. If the before mentioned young guns are not be answer this is a thin group looking ahead.

S- Nelson has played great and is a blessing. The other spot is a concern next year and for years to come if the bengals can't find that playmaker SS that can thump and cover it will be another frustrating need looming large. I hate reaches but with RB and S this off season you have to get players ready to contribute right away. Mays and Myles are not the answer. Sands and Geroge are still mysteries. SS need to be addresses early for this defense to take the next step.

P- Keep Huber he was great last year.

K- I like Nugent but I lean towards Brown.

Just my thoughts on the subject.
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QB- Dalton
RB- (by committee) Lawfirm and Bernard/Lacy (whichever we can get) OR Lawfirm and Thomas (and draft Lattimore)
WR- AJ
WR2- Mo Sanu
WR3- Andrew Hawkins
TE- Gresham
LT- Whit
LG- Boling
C- Cook
RG- Zeitler
RT- Andre Smith


DE- Michael Johnson
DT- Geno
DT- Peko
DE- Dunlap

OLB- Ogletree
MLB- Burfict
OLB- Howard

CB-Hall
CB- Kirkpatrick
CB- Trufant
CB- Newman

FS- Nelson
SS- Rambo

K- Brown
P- Huber

a few others I want to keep for Special Team purposes, and depth- Adam Jones, Boom Herron, Taylor Mays, Skuta, Lamur, Ghee, Crocker.

a few to cut, or replace- Maualuga, Tate, Allen, Miles, Anderson, Rey, Gradkowski
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What we need
Speed RB - draft is really deep with these guys - and we can add with 3rd or 4th round pick
I am okay with our WR's regardless of what others say a better #2 will not pull double coverage from AJ - he is going to see it more often than not.
Depth for the O-line.
A mauler at TE
A back up QB to develop
Sign Brown K

LB inside and outside is deep in this draft - draft 3 guys and see what works
Safety - we need some help
CB - get one in the draft
Depth for the line
sign our own guys on line

Just a hunch, but Marvin is going to be our GM at some point, once Mike Brown decides to step into the back ground and let other family members run the organization.

We have several guys that are young, but were hurt this year. They are going to be able to contribute next season. Our draft is wide open. I would not be surprised if we bring a FA in at safety. I like Patrick Chung from the Pats. I think Vereen is a beast and would be a great get.
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Must upgrade the following...

RB, MLB, SS, C.....Another receiver would be nice too.
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BengalMarv posted some generally good stuff. I'm surprised you have Manny Lawson getting released. Crocker and Clements being gone at SS may not be a foregone conclusion either...even if we draft someone.

If Grad goes, would Zac Robinson have a legitimate shot at backup? Should he?

Also, what do you think of Tony Dye at Safety (looked good in pre-season). Also, I think Jamaal Anderson is probably gone. How do you feel about DeQuin Evans (also looked good in pre-season).
As far as Manny goes, I'm not a fan of him on the strong side. He's not a bad player, but he doesn't really excel there.

I could certainly see either Crocker or Clements brought back for the backup role as a safety net. I don't feel either should be considered as the starter for next season. I'm on board with drafting a safety in the first 3 rounds, and having one of these guys as a veteran mentor though.

Zac deserves a shot in camp for sure. However, I bring in a Vet to compete for it as well.

Dye is certainly another guy who deserves another look in camp. My only reasoning really in a possible return for Anderson is that he is a Zimmer guy. He wasn't really playing that well though before the injury. Wouldn't think twice if he was let go. DeQuin is also another guy to look at in camp. I think he has an uphill battle with Moch possibly competing to be in our DE rotation.
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As far as Manny goes, I'm not a fan of him on the strong side. He's not a bad player, but he doesn't really excel there.

I could certainly see either Crocker or Clements brought back for the backup role as a safety net. I don't feel either should be considered as the starter for next season. I'm on board with drafting a safety in the first 3 rounds, and having one of these guys as a veteran mentor though.

Zac deserves a shot in camp for sure. However, I bring in a Vet to compete for it as well.

Dye is certainly another guy who deserves another look in camp. My only reasoning really in a possible return for Anderson is that he is a Zimmer guy. He wasn't really playing that well though before the injury. Wouldn't think twice if he was let go. DeQuin is also another guy to look at in camp. I think he has an uphill battle with Moch possibly competing to be in our DE rotation.
Interesting. Yeah, I agree about Crocker or Clements as a backup. Same as I'm thinking for Lawson. He underwhelmed this year, but OTOH, he's competent to start if there is an injury and I've never heard a peep about him off field, which is always a good thing.
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