Dalton vs Kaepernick (20/20)

[Who_dey_hooligan]

Originally Posted by bfine32

No he's not.

Yes, he is. What are you smoking?

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Who_dey_hooligan

Yes, he is. What are you smoking?

He's bi-racial and who really gives a damn what race he is?

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by Bryan

Didn't we go 7-1 when the run game picked up though?

Law Firm had a stretch late in the season where he had four 100 yard games in five weeks. Other than that, the run game was pretty pathetic. Like, Green Bay pathetic.

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

He's bi-racial and who really gives a damn what race he is?

Bi-racial and black are not mutually exclusive categories. Most folks with one white parent and one black parent consider themselves both biracial and black. He's both.

[The_B2S]

And anyone who is actually debating who is better is a cringing combination of moron and homer. Kaepernick is clearly superior in every way.

[BengalYankee]

The homers here will always have an excuse of saying Dalton > Colin.

If you are going to use OL, RB, OC, Kickers and Punters as excuses for Dalton than stop comparing any QB with any other QB. Stop comparing Brady with Peyton. Don't compare Jamarcus Russell with Rodgers. Rodgers had great weapons, Jamarcus did not. Rodgers has a great HC and Jamarcus never did. Of course these are silly excuses and outside of Bengal Land, people would make fun of you if you said you prefer Dalton over Colin.

At this moment, the whole world knows that Colin >>> Dalton. Stop making excuses!!!!!

[BengalYankee]

Originally Posted by bfine32

No he's not.

He is the same as President Obama.

He also likes the Sista's.

[eoxyod]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

Crabtree had 1100 yards and 9 scores. He runs great routes and has good size. He's a good #1 wr, period. Moss isn't what he used to be, but he was better than anything we rolled out opposite AJ this year. Vernon Davis is a better TE than Gresham in every way he can be.

Aside from those things, their o-line is better, their system is much better, their defense is better and their HC is better. They also use Gore and 2 TEs in the passing game quite a bit. Any half decent QB would look good on that team. Especially when the 49ers never ask their QB to throw much. The offense is built around Frank Gore and they block extremely well when Kaep takes off for a run. He threw 21 passes today. He's a glorified game manager with speed.

If Kaep were here, he wouldn't run as much. Partially because we don't block well and partly because conservative Marv would coach him not to. In the "pocket", he'd get 1.8 seconds to make a decision before getting flattened. He'd be relied on to throw 30-35 passes every game, and he wouldn't be nearly as efficent as he is in SF.

What Yankee said

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

We've seen this show before with Vick, McNabb, RG3...guys like that get hurt.

except he's still different

Originally Posted by Bryan

Playing in 12 games with 10 starts is hardly playing?
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...M/MannMa01.htm

in his Colin time, yes

Originally Posted by BengalYankee

The homers here will always have an excuse of saying Dalton > Colin.

If you are going to use OL, RB, OC, Kickers and Punters as excuses for Dalton than stop comparing any QB with any other QB. Stop comparing Brady with Peyton. Don't compare Jamarcus Russell with Rodgers. Rodgers had great weapons, Jamarcus did not. Rodgers has a great HC and Jamarcus never did. Of course these are silly excuses and outside of Bengal Land, people would make fun of you if you said you prefer Dalton over Colin.

At this moment, the whole world knows that Colin >>> Dalton. Stop making excuses!!!!!

yeah, this

[BengalYankee]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

We've seen this show before with Vick, McNabb, RG3...guys like that get hurt.

Yeah, we have seen this show with Tarkenton, Staubauch, Elway, Steve Grogan, Bobby Douglass and Steve Young, guys like that ....

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by Who_dey_hooligan

Yes, he is. What are you smoking?

Not that it matters; but he is adopted. His biological mother is white.

[BengalYankee]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Not that it matters; but he is adopted. His biological mother is white.

As I stated he is similar to Obama.

Obama's Grand Parents did most of his raising.
Yet, you said Colin was NOT Black.

[Atomic Orange]

The Kaepernick bandwagon starts here then. I never heard anybody saying they wanted him over Dalton before this week. silly fans are silly.

[BengalYankee]

Originally Posted by Atomic Orange

The Kaepernick bandwagon starts here then. I never heard anybody saying they wanted him over Dalton before this week. silly fans are silly.

http://boards.bengals.com/showpost.p...&postcount=344

[Atomic Orange]

Originally Posted by BengalYankee

http://boards.bengals.com/showpost.p...&postcount=344

Ok since the ****ing draft then

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by BengalYankee

The homers here will always have an excuse of saying Dalton > Colin.

If you are going to use OL, RB, OC, Kickers and Punters as excuses for Dalton than stop comparing any QB with any other QB. Stop comparing Brady with Peyton. Don't compare Jamarcus Russell with Rodgers. Rodgers had great weapons, Jamarcus did not. Rodgers has a great HC and Jamarcus never did. Of course these are silly excuses and outside of Bengal Land, people would make fun of you if you said you prefer Dalton over Colin.

At this moment, the whole world knows that Colin >>> Dalton. Stop making excuses!!!!!

So we can't talk about personnel or system differences? Then how are we supposed to truly compare them?

1. Kaep would not be playing in a gimmick pistol system here. Instead of using Kaep's strengths, we would surely try to fit a square peg in a round hole.

2. Kaep would have to run less and throw more here. I don't think anyone would debate that. Marv wouldn't put in a gimmick offense and let Kaep run 10-15 times.

3. SF is no doubt a better team than the Bengals.

If we're just blindly comparing how the QBs are playing, then sure I'll take Kaep. I just don't think he'd be playing like this for us. Not in our system with our line and receivers. I think if we'd drafted Kaep, we'd be looking at Dalton in SF and wishing we had him.

[BengalYankee]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

So we can't talk about personnel or system differences? Then how are we supposed to truly compare them?

1. Kaep would not be playing in a gimmick pistol system here. Instead of using Kaep's strengths, we would surely try to fit a square peg in a round hole.

2. Kaep would have to run less and throw more here. I don't think anyone would debate that.

3. SF is no doubt a better team than the Bengals.

If we're just blindly comparing how the QBs are playing, then sure I'll take Kaep. I just don't think he'd be playing like this for us. Not in our system with our line and receivers. I think if we'd drafted Kaep, we'd be looking at Dalton in SF and wishing we had him.

Members here can't have it both ways. That is called hypocrisy. You can't compare Dalton with Cam and not want to compare Dalton with Colin.

Comparing Cam vs Dalton, neglecting the fact that outside of Cam, the Bengals are a far superior team then the Panthers. Yet that is what the members did last year. The emphasis was who got farther Dalton or Cam. Now that Colin has gotten his team to the SB, people are now saying they have the better OC, OL, etc.

Look, I hate the 49ers with a passion and I was pulling for Atlanta and Green Bay last week. But all of America, well most of America knows that Colin is a better QB at this point. To deny that is stupid.

[Fan_in_Kettering]

Seeing how weak the NFC was in 2012, the 49ers would have still been in the Super Bowl with Alex Smith at quarterback.

[BengaliJack]

Originally Posted by Fan_in_Kettering

Seeing how weak the NFC was in 2012, the 49ers would have still been in the Super Bowl with Alex Smith at quarterback.

You made me laugh this morning.....this is just........garbage.

[BengalYankee]

Originally Posted by Fan_in_Kettering

Seeing how weak the NFC was in 2012, the 49ers would have still been in the Super Bowl with Alex Smith at quarterback.

I don't even know where to start with that statement

The NFC was weak???

Atlanta was 4-0 in the AFC including a beat down of Denver.
Tampa Bay was 3-1 in the AFC.
Green Bay, Vikings and Bears were 3-1 against the AFC
Seattle and Dallas were 3-1
and of course the 49ers were 4-0.

Let's look at it the this way only the Giants, Lions and Rams had losing records of 1-3 against the AFC.

OR

Only the Bengals, Steelers, Colts and Denver had 3-1 records against the NFC, no team was 4-0 against the NFC and 4 teams was 0-4 against the NFC. No teams of the NFC went winless against the AFC. Sorry, I like you, but your last statement was Fail.

[Lolli]

Originally Posted by Atomic Orange

The Kaepernick bandwagon starts here then. I never heard anybody saying they wanted him over Dalton before this week. silly fans are silly.

Use the search function. Type 'Colin' and narrow the search to the draft forum. Then look at threads from 2011.

[Lolli]

Originally Posted by Atomic Orange

Ok since the ****ing draft then

Probably because he did not play last year.

[Fan_in_Kettering]

Here's my honest assessment: I can't stand Colin Kaepernick, I think Jim Harbaugh is an overrated drama queen, and I can't stomach anything about San Francisco. Kaepernick is a gimmick player running a college offense in the NFL which is appropriate because it's all Jim Harbaugh knows. He's an inked-up freak whose popularity is propped up by America's sick obsession with pop culture. Kaepernick is one hard hit away from becoming Robert Griffin III and I hope he learns to slide and protect himself before Bernard Pollard lays him out like Stevan Ridley.

[wavemakersdj]

The biggest difference is that we didn't scout kaepernick, how could we since we didn't have more than 1 total scout until this coming off season.

There is a reason SF has 5 Superbowls with a 6th one probable and we are 0-2, just like Dalton in the playoffs.

Count on 0% chance of the Bengals winning a Superbowl until Mike Brown is no longer in charge of the organization. His system of spend the least possible on all pieces of the organization hasn't worked in almost 25 years, what makes us think the next 10 year of that system will be any different?

The NFL has shifted to quarterbacks with either mobility combined with solid passing ability or elite passing ability (maybe 5 QB's having this elite passing quality right now) as defenses have gotten lighter and faster. We have a barely above average QB with a weaker arm and questionable accuracy/decision making skills combined with an offensive line that isn't built to play with fast DE's and sneaky linebackers. Yeah, we have a great shot at actually bringing home a championship anytime soon....

[BengalYankee]

Originally Posted by Fan_in_Kettering

Here's my honest assessment: I can't stand Colin Kaepernick, I think Jim Harbaugh is an overrated drama queen, and I can't stomach anything about San Francisco. Kaepernick is a gimmick player running a college offense in the NFL which is appropriate because it's all Jim Harbaugh knows. He's an inked-up freak whose popularity is propped up by America's sick obsession with pop culture. Kaepernick is one hard hit away from becoming Robert Griffin III and I hope he learns to slide and protect himself before Bernard Pollard lays him out like Stevan Ridley.

Like what Bernard did to Brady.

[BoomerFan]

There is something to be said for there needing to be an adjustment period for defenses to figure out a new QB. Also, Colin didn't get thrown into the fire day one. If he had been, you wonder who would have more wins right now. Don't get me wrong, I like CK and hope he has a solid career, but even if he wins the SB this year the book on what his future is hasn't been written yet.