Dalton vs Kaepernick (20/20)

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by gardner30

Wasn't RGIII running the "pistol"?

Its a 1 read offense that Shanahan is only doing to simplify things for him.

Shanahan ran his real offense when Kirk Cousins was in there.

I won't argue that he looked phenominal.

He is going to have to learn to read a defense though or the people on here saying he won't last are right.

He can't take shots like that his whole career or he will be another Mike Vick.

Luck needs some help but its too early to know how good any of these young guys will be.

I am positive that Bengal fans are the only people who would take Dalton over Luck lol.

They run the pistol in San Fran, but all of a sudden its simple because RG3 does it?

Dafuq?

[D.Boon]

[quote=Pezmerga;2788912]

Originally Posted by D.Boon

Because he is better than Alex Smith?

He still has more options on offense than Dalton. Smith did too, he just isn't as good as CK. And yes I do think Dalton is better than Smith as well.

The answer is because he is significantly better than Smith...and you can make an argument that in the games they played this year Smith was better than Dalton. At the very least they are comparable QB's (i.e. game managers w great defenses).

Just to make the point, in the playoffs the niners lead all teams in total offense. They've averaged 36.5 points per game. CK is responsible for 700 yards and five touchdowns in two games.

Give the man credit. He took an offense that was ranked near last in the league one year ago (no major cahnges in personnel save for one) and has transformed it into a juggernaut. While true that the defense held ATL in check, CK calmly and confidently lead his team on a historic comeback and is going to the friggin' suberbowl. How are people not impressed by this?

[basballguy]

One of these days I'm' gonna login to not find this topic on page 1.

[McC]

[quote=D.Boon;2789058]

Originally Posted by Pezmerga

The answer is because he is significantly better than Smith...and you can make an argument that in the games they played this year Smith was better than Dalton. At the very least they are comparable QB's (i.e. game managers w great defenses).

Just to make the point, in the playoffs the niners lead all teams in total offense. They've averaged 36.5 points per game. CK is responsible for 700 yards and five touchdowns in two games.

Give the man credit. He took an offense that was ranked near last in the league one year ago (no major cahnges in personnel save for one) and has transformed it into a juggernaut. While true that the defense held ATL in check, CK calmly and confidently lead his team on a historic comeback and is going to the friggin' suberbowl. How are people not impressed by this?

I know I'm impressed. He is very accurate and throws such a beautiful ball and can throw a thirty yard frozen rope on the money. Honestly, anyone who's not impressed is just trying not to be, imo.

It doesn't take anything away from any other QB to say CK is a very skilled player who possesses a large quantity of the "IT" factor.

[Ryan Mc]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

It may not be the team around him, but to dismiss the 49er's success as being related to just Colin Kaepernick is just ridiculous.....

The 49ers record has nothing to do with why I'm impressed with Kaep ... I'm not just looking at the final scores and going 'wow', I have actually watched the games. Honestly, have you actually watched the games that he's played? I've watched the following 49ers games which Kaep started in their entirety: Saints, Patriots, Seahawks games from their regular season, Packers and Falcons playoff games. I guess all I got left to say is that if anybody watches all of those games and doesn't come away impressed with what Kaepernick as an individual player is doing on the field then I'm just all out of ideas. You're just a very difficult person to impress!

[McC]

26 pages. Damn!

[THE PISTONS]

What it boils down to also is that Harbaugh put Kaepernick in an offense that uses his strengths. It's essentially a college offense and they have a mauling offensive line.

If Kaepernick was on the Bengals, he'd likely be running the same flavor of offense that Dalton is which wouldn't be suited to his strengths.

Is the Bengals offense ideally suited for Dalton? No. It isn't either.

Some teams have visionaries on offense. Some don't.

[McC]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

What it boils down to also is that Harbaugh put Kaepernick in an offense that uses his strengths. It's essentially a college offense and they have a mauling offensive line.

If Kaepernick was on the Bengals, he'd likely be running the same flavor of offense that Dalton is which wouldn't be suited to his strengths.

Is the Bengals offense ideally suited for Dalton? No. It isn't either.

Some teams have visionaries on offense. Some don't.

This is a huge offseason for Jay. I would suggest that his "WCO" should actually act like a WCO.

[D.Boon]

Originally Posted by basballguy

One of these days I'm' gonna login to not find this topic on page 1.

What do you care? Obviously you care enough to open the thread and post in it.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by McC

This is a huge offseason for Jay. I would suggest that his "WCO" should actually act like a WCO.

I think that the main thing it lacks is a RB that can catch the ball.

We obviously need a #2 WR too. But, true WC offenses have backs that catch the ball.

[McC]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

I think that the main thing it lacks is a RB that can catch the ball.

We obviously need a #2 WR too. But, true WC offenses have backs that catch the ball.

Also, where are the slants, the curls, the quick outs, etc?

[basballguy]

Originally Posted by D.Boon

What do you care? Obviously you care enough to open the thread and post in it.

calm down tiger, i was just trying to be funny, don't take it as a personal attack.

[D.Boon]

Originally Posted by basballguy

calm down tiger, i was just trying to be funny, don't take it as a personal attack.

I didn't take anything personally (what was there to take?) Just pointing out that it's stupid to complain about the existence of a thread that you're participating in. Your humor apparently was lost on me...

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by McC

Also, where are the slants, the curls, the quick outs, etc?

The short pass to the TE and some of the gadgety Hawkins plays are the only WC things I see.

I do think that Sanu is a good fit in a WC offense as a slot guy. That's probably one of the reasons our offense picked up with him.

[THEBURG]

Originally Posted by Fan_in_Kettering

You know what's ironic? The same schmoes in the national media who are all over Colin Kaepernick's jock for being a hybrid quarterback - running back are the same jerks who hated on Tim Tebow for being a hybrid quarterback - running back.

There is a world of difference there Guru, someday you will know the difference, when you learn football.

[basballguy]

Originally Posted by D.Boon

I didn't take anything personally (what was there to take?) Just pointing out that it's stupid to complain about the existence of a thread that you're participating in. Your humor apparently was lost on me...

you need a hug

[D.Boon]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

I think that the main thing it lacks is a RB that can catch the ball.

We obviously need a #2 WR too. But, true WC offenses have backs that catch the ball.

They need to be able to prove that they can throw the ball 15+ yards down the field to someone other than AJ Green. If they solely run short outs and slants they'll become predictable and ineffective. I believe that for an offense to be consistently succesful defenses need to respect both the short and deep passing game. In other words, you have to make defense respect your passing game enough to defend the whole field. Certainly a dynamic RB can't hurt..

[D.Boon]

Originally Posted by basballguy

you need a hug

I'm good. Thanks. You need to find a point to make.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by D.Boon

They need to be able to prove that they can throw the ball 15+ yards down the field to someone other than AJ Green. If they solely run short outs and slants they'll become predictable and ineffective. I believe that for an offense to be consistently succesful defenses need to respect both the short and deep passing game. In other words, you have to make defense respect your passing game enough to defend the whole field. Certainly a dynamic RB can't hurt..

That's where we missed Simpson in a sense. Was he perfect? No.

He could get deep though at times and take some of the pressure off of AJ Green.

[D.Boon]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

That's where we missed Simpson in a sense. Was he perfect? No.

He could get deep though at times and take some of the pressure off of AJ Green.

I wanted to keep that dummy around, too. Just for one year after it was clear that they weren't going to pursue a viable vet in FA. In fairness to the Bengals I think they got two very good WR's in Jones and Sanu that compliment each other well...but the plan of expecting Binns, Tate or a 3rd/5th round pick to hit the ground running was not a good one. All things considered I think Sanu and Jones played very well as rooks. I'd have no issue with them taking a WR pretty early. My guy: DeAndre Hopkins at the top of two or even in one.

[basballguy]

Originally Posted by D.Boon

I'm good. Thanks. You need to find a point to make.

You're trying so hard to make yourself look like the internet cool guy. But i'll bite.

If you haven't solved your argument after 10 days and 640 posts, you aren't going to solve it period.

This is as "pointless" thread.

That's my "point".

Thanks

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by D.Boon

I wanted to keep that dummy around, too. Just for one year after it was clear that they weren't going to pursue a viable vet in FA. In fairness to the Bengals I think they got two very good WR's in Jones and Sanu that compliment each other well...but the plan of expecting Binns, Tate or a 3rd/5th round pick to hit the ground running was not a good one. All things considered I think Sanu and Jones played very well as rooks. I'd have no issue with them taking a WR pretty early. My guy: DeAndre Hopkins at the top of two or even in one.

And that was my issue...Binns and Tate. Had they had a better option, that would have bought Sanu and Jones a year to develop...it's a lot better of a plan.

Simpson being suspended to start the year hurt.

[D.Boon]

Originally Posted by basballguy

You're trying so hard to make yourself look like the internet cool guy. But i'll bite.

If you haven't solved your argument after 10 days and 640 posts, you aren't going to solve it period.

This is as "pointless" thread.

That's my "point".

Thanks

Really, I'm not trying to be internet cool guy...is there really such a thing? I just enjoy talking about football and am able to multi-task at work. I am also genuinely interested in others thoughts that are different than mine. Especially when they can argue their point and not just drop in and make lame quips.

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Ryan Mc

The 49ers record has nothing to do with why I'm impressed with Kaep ... I'm not just looking at the final scores and going 'wow', I have actually watched the games. Honestly, have you actually watched the games that he's played? I've watched the following 49ers games which Kaep started in their entirety: Saints, Patriots, Seahawks games from their regular season, Packers and Falcons playoff games. I guess all I got left to say is that if anybody watches all of those games and doesn't come away impressed with what Kaepernick as an individual player is doing on the field then I'm just all out of ideas. You're just a very difficult person to impress!

I actually make it a point to watch as many 49ers games as I can, actually. Kaepernick as a QB doesn't impress me; period. He runs as simplistic offense and isn't asked to throw the ball more than 20 times, his supporting cast is awesome, and they were nearly as successful with Alex Smith as they were with Kaepernick, and at least Smith can run a legitimate NFL offense, not some read-option bullspit that has already shredded one young QB's knee (RG3).

[Ryan Mc]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

I actually make it a point to watch as many 49ers games as I can, actually. Kaepernick as a QB doesn't impress me; period. He runs as simplistic offense and isn't asked to throw the ball more than 20 times, his supporting cast is awesome, and they were nearly as successful with Alex Smith as they were with Kaepernick, and at least Smith can run a legitimate NFL offense, not some read-option bullspit that has already shredded one young QB's knee (RG3).

Wow ... but OK then. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, and I don't have any better idea how Kaepernick's career will play out in the long run than anybody else. I certainly respect people who are prepared to make their own judgments and not be influenced by everybody else. I just wanted to make it clear that I was also making my own mind up on this issue ... and I can't back off my opinion just because it does coincide with current mainstream conventional opinion (although I know it's cooler and wins more props when a person is the contrarian).