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Old 01-28-2013, 07:14 PM
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Everyone who has seen him play disagrees. CincyJungles own Joe Goodberry had this to say about mocking him #15 to the Saints:

"Brown is the best 4-3 LB in this draft and top 12 on my board."

He's projected to run a 4.5, while Greene is projected at 4.55, Ogletree around 4.6. He plays faster than both of them as well.

drafting brown in the 1st will not happen. case closed.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:18 PM
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drafting brown in the 1st will not happen. case closed.
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Everyone who has seen him play disagrees. CincyJungles own Joe Goodberry had this to say about mocking him #15 to the Saints:
Who?

I've seen him play, for what it's worth. He seems decent, and I'm not really opposed to drafting him at all. Just not sure in the range that you and this Goodberry guy are stating. I've also seen Ogletree play and the two seem far apart in terms of game speed and talent, favoring the SEC project.

Regardless, it's interesting to see a divergence in opinion on some prospects. I'm genuinely interested if he had a decisive Senior Bowl week. FWIW, I'm also not as high on Greene as others on this board, either--but still like the guy.

EDIT: Re: Brown; Answered in another thread.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:51 PM
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Well idk out of those I think I'd like Kevin Minter the most, but I don't really want him. I'd still go with Te'o although there is some definite risk there among the scandal and bad performance.
Didn't they find out about the fake stuff before the NC game? Maybe he was nervous and preoccupied thinking about being found out and didn't focus or concentrate on the game that month leading up to it.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:59 PM
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Let's say Ogletree is gone before we pick, and we pick something other than OLB at 21. Pick 37 rolls around, and Kaseem Greene, Arthur Brown, and Kevin Minter are sitting there. Who's your pick?

Give your reasoning.
I would think about picking the best available DE or Corner. Players such as Okafor, Poyer, Trufant, and Jordan could all be possibilities at pick 37. A good RB like Bernard or Lacy will be strong possibilities here as well. The reason I wouldn't pick any of those guys you mentioned is because I think we can get a good pick at LB with our 2b pick or 3rd round pick. Greene or Brown one could easily be around with the 2b pick. Some possibilities in the 3rd round are Sean Porter and Jamie Collins. All four guys are talented players and no need to reach for one earlier than we need to.
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I've not seen him projected in that range, nor do I think Brown is of that talent. He's not that fast, either. Just decent instincts from a converted safety, which almost all the LBs in this class (and recent years) are.

Wouldn't shock me at all if he's available for us at 2b, maybe even our 3rd. No need to overdraft.
Arthur Brown isn't fast and lacks instincs. Those might be some his best attributes along with the fact that hes one of the best stack/shed LB in the class. He Reads/Reacts/ Fills with the best of them. I wouldn't be upset at all w/ him or K.Greene @WLB. It wouldn't suprise me at all if they left Burfict at WLB and went by commitee at SAM as they seem to be heading towards. I think they are looking to draft a MLB.

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Old 01-28-2013, 08:04 PM
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Arthur Brown isn't fast and lacks instincs. Those might be some his best attributes along with the fact that hes one of the best stack/shed LB in the class. He Reads/Reacts/ Fills with the best of them. I wouldn't be upset at all w/ him or K.Greene @WLB.
I really like Brown as well. If I had to pick one of the three guys and no one is available then he is my favorite of the three.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:37 PM
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Lacy, Vacarro, B. Jones, Ansah...in that order.

Not sold on Minter with 21...definately 37.

Order trade down for two 2's or a 2 and 3...more likely the latter, but that would be beautiful. It is a 2-3 heavy draft...weak at top.
I wish in that order.lol. Vaccaro seems to be moving up the boards like hes Eric Berry but as the process moves forward I hope he comes back to earth where he should be. I still say 15-25 but I seen a mock w/ the sqeelers drafting him and I don't want that to happen.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:42 PM
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I wish in that order.lol. Vaccaro seems to be moving up the boards like hes Eric Berry but as the process moves forward I hope he comes back to earth where he should be. I still say 15-25 but I seen a mock w/ the sqeelers drafting him and I don't want that to happen.
I've seen him #8 to the Bills. Good player, but he's no Eric Berry/Earl Thomas.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:47 PM
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We're not taking a LB with any of our first three picks.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:50 PM
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We're not taking a LB with any of our first three picks.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:57 PM
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Ansah will go before we pick and if Ogletree is gone by the time we pick, the best option would be.....

Trade down farther in the first round and get more picks - might be a good time to take Elam or maybe even Lacy while gaining another second rounder OR third (not really sure, havent looked at the points).

I really hope Ogletree is there when we pick at 21 though.....I will be perturbed if the frekin Bears take him. Ogletree is an athletic freak who has the speed and instincts to get sideline to sideline and bring someone down. Use him either as a MLB or OLB (looks like he might be best suited for the OLB position in the NFL).
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:11 PM
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I think hodges in the third is the much better pick than ogletree...gerald hodges can do the same thing alec can yet he is bigger, and can also rush. I hope we trade back get a third 2nd rounder and get hodges in the third...hes a better verion of ogltree.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:20 PM
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If no Ogletree?

Trade back a few spots and take Ansah or Minter, and proceed to make great use of the acquired pick from the trade.
I hope ogletree isnt there so we can trade back and stockpile picks...I think hodges is a better version of ogltree...hes bigger can also play all three LBS position, but in addition can rush. Forget Alec in the first trade back grab anoth 2nd pick up ansah or minter in the first and hodges in the third.

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Let's say Ogletree is gone before we pick, and we pick something other than OLB at 21. Pick 37 rolls around, and Kaseem Greene, Arthur Brown, and Kevin Minter are sitting there. Who's your pick?

Give your reasoning.
You will get 1,000 other ideas/picks than the 3 you gave. Never fails on these boards.

If I had to pick among the 3 I'd take Minter and leave VB on the outside and this coming from somebody that loves both VB and Greene. 1 person was responsible for shutting down Johnny Football this year and that was Minter.

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Old 01-28-2013, 10:39 PM
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You will get 1,000 other ideas/picks than the 3 you gave. Never fails on these boards.

If I had to pick among the 3 I'd take Minter and leave VB on the outside and this coming from somebody that loves both VB and Greene. 1 person was responsible for shutting down Johnny Football this year and that was Minter.
Yup, Minter had a great game.
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if ogletree is gone, either elam or vaccaro whichever is there, our 2 biggest holes are safety and linebacker
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No to Ogletree..I think we should look to free agency for an OLB.
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Did not want Ogletree to begin with. If Ezekiel Ansah is there at 21 he is hands down my selection. Zimmer's defense thrives on a strong rotation on the defensive front. Ansah can play inside or outside on either side of the line. He has no idea at this point how good he can be. His best football is ahead of him he has not even scratched the surface.
I doubt they gamble on him even if he is there. The bengals have went with the safer picks the last couple of years. You're right he may not have any idea how good he can be but nobody else does either. Hes the typical boom or bust prospect. Plus if hes there it means 20 other teams didnt think he was worth the risk either.
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I would not resign Maualuga and draft Minter. From there i might even double dip and draft Greene at 2B. Burfict, Minter, and Greene would be a nice second level behind the d-line. Resign the cheaper FA option Skuta, who can play the middle, and reserves are Lamur, Joiner, Maybin, and possibly Moch. It would be a complete overhaul, not resigning Lawson, Rey, and Howard.

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I'd go with Minter from these options.
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No Ogletree:
Here are a couple guys I wouldnt mind seeing in stripes in order of positonal need and values at #21. I just dont think there is any RB worth taking in round 1, and think that SS, Interior Oline, and LB are the positions that take precedence.


Safeties
Kenny Vaccaro
Matt Elam

Interrior O-Line
Johnathon Cooper
Travis Frederick
Barrett Jones

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Jarvis Jones
Khaseem Greene
Arthur Brown

DE
Dion Jordan

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Cordarrelee Patterson
Keenan Allen
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:33 PM
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I'm not saying I would but wouldnt be mad if
1st. Dion Jordan SLB he is like a better faster more physical Manny Lawson
2nd. Robert Woods is my pick here.
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I can follow directions. Among Greene, Brown and Minter I'll take Minter. Rang has him rated significantly higher than the other two. Plus we can leave Burfict at Will, where he has demonstrated that he can play.
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Minter for sure
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