Giovani Bernard RB North Carolina

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Stewee28

I think the majority of the board members would love to have either Bernard or Lacy. They are both considered the top two RBs in the draft for a reason. One excerpt that stood out to me though......

"There are some red flags on Giovani Bernard's game tape, however, and I wonder if they'll cause him to max out as a change-of-pace back in the pros. Bernard lacks power. He is not a tough runner through contact. Either Bernard doesn't have very strong legs or he simply doesn't know how to use them. On just one occasion -- against Duke -- did Bernard legitimately move a pile. You often hear about running backs that "fall forward," and max out their runs. Bernard doesn't consistently finish his runs and doesn't consistently fall forward. He was ineffective in short yardage, which probably means he'll be even less effective against bigger, stronger defensive front-seven members in those situations at the next level."

This is what separates Lacy from Bernard. Lacy knows how to use his legs, constantly driving for extra yards when tacklers gang up on him. I just dont see Bernard being an every down back; Lacy can be. I would much rather have Lacy, but I would not be disappointed at all with having Bernard!

Give me Michael, Franklin, or Gillislee. If you select Lacy that would mean get rid of Ellis because Lacy is the faster version.

[BobJones4980]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Give me Michael, Franklin, or Gillislee. If you select Lacy that would mean get rid of Ellis because Lacy is the faster version.

More than just a faster version, an overall better version, actually has a few moves to make a guy miss instead of the same old bull rush into the CB or S that BJGE did so many times last year.

[hacker]

Originally Posted by Stewee28

I think the majority of the board members would love to have either Bernard or Lacy. They are both considered the top two RBs in the draft for a reason. One excerpt that stood out to me though......

"There are some red flags on Giovani Bernard's game tape, however, and I wonder if they'll cause him to max out as a change-of-pace back in the pros. Bernard lacks power. He is not a tough runner through contact. Either Bernard doesn't have very strong legs or he simply doesn't know how to use them. On just one occasion -- against Duke -- did Bernard legitimately move a pile. You often hear about running backs that "fall forward," and max out their runs. Bernard doesn't consistently finish his runs and doesn't consistently fall forward. He was ineffective in short yardage, which probably means he'll be even less effective against bigger, stronger defensive front-seven members in those situations at the next level."

This is what separates Lacy from Bernard. Lacy knows how to use his legs, constantly driving for extra yards when tacklers gang up on him. I just dont see Bernard being an every down back; Lacy can be. I would much rather have Lacy, but I would not be disappointed at all with having Bernard!

I want to see the difference in their 40 times and hen we'll see who rises to the top among the RBs

[hacker]

Originally Posted by jj22

We should double up on backs. Grab Lacy early and get the scat later. We did it last year with DT, CB, WR's. It's a good time for rb. I like a Lacy/Gillislee combo. I don't see any of these change of pace backs having the speed we are all looking for. So go power early. Only issue with Lacy is Alabama backs have come much hyped, but disappointed recently.

I like that idea. We have worked out Robbie Rouse and spoken with him and he's about a 5th or 6th rd guy at 5'7". I'd like to see 2 of them.

[topcat10]

i like bernard but small i suggest you look at le'veon bell from micigan state he is not ron dayne bell can catch,6''2 242 he's a beast check him out on you tube

[Stewee28]

Originally Posted by hacker

I want to see the difference in their 40 times and hen we'll see who rises to the top among the RBs

So when Lacy runs the same 40 time that Bernard does, who do you go with? Lacy is going to run a high 4.4 40.

Lacy will still be the number one RB in the draft class, even if he does run a 4.5 40. He is all around a better back. Bigger, great balance, runs with unbelievable leg power, breaks tackles, catches out of the backfield and can be a three down back. I would take Lacy over Bernard any day of the week!

[09itsourtime]

Originally Posted by Stewee28

So when Lacy runs the same 40 time that Bernard does, who do you go with? Lacy is going to run a high 4.4 40.

Lacy will still be the number one RB in the draft class, even if he does run a 4.5 40. He is all around a better back. Bigger, great balance, runs with unbelievable leg power, breaks tackles, catches out of the backfield and can be a three down back. I would take Lacy over Bernard any day of the week!

I would take bernard over lacy in a heartbeat.

Lacy is overhyped.

[wizbengal21]

Montee ball in the third Leveon in the fourth

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by 09itsourtime

I would take bernard over lacy in a heartbeat.

Lacy is overhyped.

based on?

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by gardner30

Thoughts?

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Give me Michael, Franklin, or Gillislee. If you select Lacy that would mean get rid of Ellis because Lacy is the faster version.

That is such a terrible argument. OHHHH now we have two guys who could carry the load if need be... Better cut one.

NO. That will not happen.

BJGE is not getting cut no matter who we draft at HB. So all the people who keep saying that need to get it out of their minds. He signed a three year contract. And he will be here for the remainder of that contract.

Please give me a feasible reason why we would cut the one veteran HB we have that is capable of carrying the load... Because I'm pretty sure there isn't one. Just because we draft a guy who can run between the tackles doesn't mean we cut BJGE.

There isn't a concept going around on these boards that annoys me more than this one.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

That is such a terrible argument. OHHHH now we have two guys who could carry the load if need be... Better cut one.

NO. That will not happen.

BJGE is not getting cut no matter who we draft at HB. So all the people who keep saying that need to get it out of their minds. He signed a three year contract. And he will be here for the remainder of that contract.

Please give me a feasible reason why we would cut the one veteran HB we have that is capable of carrying the load... Because I'm pretty sure there isn't one. Just because we draft a guy who can run between the tackles doesn't mean we cut BJGE.

There isn't a concept going around on these boards that annoys me more than this one.

Do not remember asking you to agree. My opinion on the subject. Not sure what the contract of Ellis has to do with anything.

[shaolinghost]

Originally Posted by wolfkaosaun

Well thankfully we don't have you calling the shots

Taking a back in the top 50 that's almost always dinged up, over 5'8" but under 210lbs, can't run away from college defenders in the open field, and isn't very powerful?

Sounds like a great prospect to use a 1st or 2nd rounder on.

[Luvnit2]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Give me Michael, Franklin, or Gillislee. If you select Lacy that would mean get rid of Ellis because Lacy is the faster version.

I guess I don't understand this thinking. Do we expect second round picks to come in and start immediately? I believe Green Ellis signed a 3 year contract so he has two years left.

Why couldn't Lacey spell Green Ellis? The Ravens just brought in Pierce to spell Rice and it seems to be working. I like the idea of having two fresh backs all season to wear down defenses.

Lacey would be a great pick in round 2 and then I still think we need to draft or get a better 3rd down back than Leonard.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Do not remember asking you to agree. My opinion on the subject. Not sure what the contract of Ellis has to do with anything.

You don't have to ask me to agree for me to give a rebuttal to an incorrect statement on a public message board.

Green Ellis' contract has everything to do with it. Since when did Mike Brown start cutting perfectly healthy veterans in the prime of their career who are under contract for reasonable salaries? What's that you say? Oh he doesn't. Especially a guy who just signed a three year contract the prior year that included 4 million guaranteed out of the 9 million total.

I like the way you dodged my initial request though.

[gardner30]

1st 40 time was 4.5

[jj22]

Not many options for a speed back in this draft. And that's a shame because that's what we need.

[Bull Durham]

Originally Posted by jj22

Not many options for a speed back in this draft. And that's a shame because that's what we need.

Stop using the term "speed back." That's not what we need.

We need a big play guy capable of making explosive plays who can get outside and also catch out of the backfield.

There are lots of those guys. Gio Bernard is very explosive. You are putting way too much stock in straight-ahead stopwatch-timed 40s. A RB never has a long run in a straight line right up the middle. It's all about making quick cuts, change of direction, having a burst, good vision, setting up defenders, etc

[Natikid873]

Originally Posted by Bull Durham

Stop using the term "speed back." That's not what we need.

We need a big play guy capable of making explosive plays who can get outside and also catch out of the backfield.

There are lots of those guys. Gio Bernard is very explosive. You are putting way too much stock in straight-ahead stopwatch-timed 40s. A RB never has a long run in a straight line right up the middle. It's all about making quick cuts, change of direction, having a burst, good vision, setting up defenders, etc

Exactly, the 40 isn't completely irrelevant, but I'm way more intrigued in lateral movement and explosiveness, which is Gio Bernard in a nutshell

[wolfkaosaun]

Still want Bernard in the 2nd. Easily.

[Bull Durham]

Originally Posted by wolfkaosaun

Still want Bernard in the 2nd. Easily.

He's also built like a rock.

I hope he is available with our second pick, but I don't see him lasting that long.

[OSUfan]

Christine Michael the package of speed and power.

[BengalBuckeye]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Christine Michael the package of speed and power.

To go along with attitude and injuries. I like him if he grows up and puts it all together. If he's there in 4 I take him.

[BengalBuckeye]

Originally Posted by Bull Durham

Stop using the term "speed back." That's not what we need.

We need a big play guy capable of making explosive plays who can get outside and also catch out of the backfield.

There are lots of those guys. Gio Bernard is very explosive. You are putting way too much stock in straight-ahead stopwatch-timed 40s. A RB never has a long run in a straight line right up the middle. It's all about making quick cuts, change of direction, having a burst, good vision, setting up defenders, etc

We need someone who can take it to the house on any carry.

[Bull Durham]

Originally Posted by BengalBuckeye

We need someone who can take it to the house on any carry.

Yeah, a guy like Bernard can do that.

You're not going to take it to the house by running really fast in a straight line.