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Old 02-04-2013, 01:12 PM
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Default After watching the SB,the team will go as far as Dalton takes them

I know I'm stating the obvious. But in order for the Bengals to go far in the playoffs and a eventual SB appearance,Andy needs to be the best QB in the AFC North.
The Ravens got to the big show on Flacco's arm and exceptional QB decision making.
Hey I'd to love to see a upgrade at RB and another big time WR that can make vertical plays,but ultimately its gonna come down to Andy making plays downfield.
I hope Dalton had a fire lit under his behind by watching what Flacco did.
I want Dalton to come in and say,"I need to play better"
If Dalton can't get the Bengals past the 1st RD in 2013,then I'm gonna start to doubt if he's the franchise QB or not.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:15 PM
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I know I'm stating the obvious. But in order for the Bengals to go far in the playoffs and a eventual SB appearance,Andy needs to be the best QB in the AFC North.
The Ravens got to the big show on Flacco's arm and exceptional QB decision making.
Hey I'd to love to see a upgrade at RB and another big time WR that can make vertical plays,but ultimately its gonna come down to Andy making plays downfield.
I hope Dalton had a fire lit under his behind by watching what Flacco did.
I want Dalton to come in and say,"I need to play better"
If Dalton can't get the Bengals past the 1st RD in 2013,then I'm gonna start to doubt if he's the franchise QB or not.
I wouldn't say that Flacco is the best QB in the AFC North. The Ravens have 2 better RB's than us. Boldin and Smith are better than Green and whoever you consider our #2. Their line is better overall than ours.

I think the Ravens show what good coaching, a good organization, and motivated players can accomplish.

We essentially came out flat against the Texans 2 years in a row.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:32 PM
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I wouldn't say that Flacco is the best QB in the AFC North.

I think the Ravens show what good coaching, a good organization, and motivated players can accomplish.

We essentially came out flat against the Texans 2 years in a row.
Yep....Bouldin bails ol' Joe out quite a bit. He makes some tremendous contested catches. Joe's good, just not great. Flacco really took off when the Ravens juggled the o-line a little. People always stayed on Joe Montana's jock, and while he was good, just look at all of the Hall of Famers he played along side, his HOF coach, and on his defense. It came to mind as I watched Super Bowl XXIII replayed on the NFL Network Saturday morning. Here we were, :34 seconds away from winning a Super Bowl with a rag tag group of overachievers, a wounded QB, with ONE HOFer....our ONLY HOFer.....he was good, and Hall worthy, I think, but so many credit him as the best to ever play the position, that is just flat out wrong. Others have done more with WAY less....save for the rings.

Just look at the HOFers on the '88 team alone, and we almost beat their arse!

Bill Walsh
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You also had guys who are arguably HOF candidates like Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Randy Cross, Bill Romanowski, Steve Wallace, maybe even Jesse Sapolu......They were FAR from a one trick pony.....
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:36 PM
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I know I'm stating the obvious. But in order for the Bengals to go far in the playoffs and a eventual SB appearance,Andy needs to be the best QB in the AFC North.
The Ravens got to the big show on Flacco's arm and exceptional QB decision making.
Hey I'd to love to see a upgrade at RB and another big time WR that can make vertical plays,but ultimately its gonna come down to Andy making plays downfield.
I hope Dalton had a fire lit under his behind by watching what Flacco did.
I want Dalton to come in and say,"I need to play better"
If Dalton can't get the Bengals past the 1st RD in 2013,then I'm gonna start to doubt if he's the franchise QB or not.
Took flaco to this year his 5th year before the offensive took control of the ravens. so why is there so much early judgement on Dalton?
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Took flaco to this year his 5th year before the offensive took control of the ravens. so why is there so much early judgement on Dalton?
True but look at the play-off wins he had between year one, and year five, a few more than "WONDER BOY"
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dalton was inaccurate and inconsistent at TCU..watch his tapes..big mistake
Green_Ellis is a fall down goal line running back
no wide receivers cept for green
defense looks good statistically yet in big games against good teams..they are average

we have gone from lousy to average under Lewis..need many changes
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Took flaco to this year his 5th year before the offensive took control of the ravens. so why is there so much early judgement on Dalton?
The QB gets too much credit and too much criticism most of the time. The third year is known to be the year when the QB really figures it out. I look for an upgraded offense and Andy's first 4000 yd season with about 30 TDs this upcoming season.
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True but look at the play-off wins he had between year one, and year five, a few more than "WONDER BOY"

How many pieces did the Bengals need to find, though? How many more are still needed? I think Baltimore had a solid line, backfield and receiving corps but had been searching for a QB for a long time. A few tweaks to the line, backfield and receivers and two years later, BOOM!

The Bengals are now in that "tweaking" stage and hopefully they can get the right pieces in place to move forward.
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True but look at the play-off wins he had between year one, and year five, a few more than "WONDER BOY"
I'll take Ray Rice and the Ravens defense for a $1000, Alex.

Seriously - there is a reason why the AFC North has been going through Pittsburgh and Baltimore, and it ain't because Dalton can't cut it; those other teams tend to be annually more complete than the Bengals, and only a blind crybaby who is just looking for a reason to pitch a ***** doesn't see it.
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The Ravens rode on one of the best runs in the playoffs ever by Joe Flacco and still had a lot of luck to win the gane, which shows how difficult a Super Bowl win is. So don't rely on just the QB for a SB win. However, like I've said 100 times, it sure does lower your main of error with a great QB, right?
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dalton was inaccurate and inconsistent at TCU..watch his tapes..big mistake
Green_Ellis is a fall down goal line running back
no wide receivers cept for green
defense looks good statistically yet in big games against good teams..they are average

we have gone from lousy to average under Lewis..need many changes
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True but look at the play-off wins he had between year one, and year five, a few more than "WONDER BOY"
Second year QB. Really? That is what you have to gripe about? In 5 years or so let's talk about it.
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dalton was inaccurate and inconsistent at TCU..watch his tapes..big mistake
Green_Ellis is a fall down goal line running back
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defense looks good statistically yet in big games against good teams..they are average

we have gone from lousy to average under Lewis..need many changes
I'd say we are a little above average...

All these young guys have not experienced true defeat yet...they are all living the dream to date. Two playoff appearances in their short two year NFL careers??

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When they (Andy, A.J.) get as hungry as the coaches, over-five year vets and the fans, this game they play will either become a burden where they will be lost in the cracks, or a job were they become like an assembly line in a factory where they are brainwashed to only perform on instinct with no thought involved creating excellence, without stopping to question, just performing....how long could this take if it ever happens...
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I'd say we are a little above average...

All these young guys have not experienced true defeat yet...they are all living the dream to date. Two playoff appearances in their short two year NFL careers??

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When they (Andy, A.J.) get as hungry as the coaches, over-five year vets and the fans, this game they play will either become a burden where they will be lost in the cracks, or a job were they become like an assembly line in a factory where they are brainwashed to only perform on instinct with no thought involved creating excellence, without stopping to question, just performing....how long could this take if it ever happens...


Usually in between years 3 and 5 on average in the NFL. That's how long it takes for the group to think as one, or gel, as the pundits say. So we could be watching the beginning of a wonderful relationship.
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I'll take Ray Rice and the Ravens defense for a $1000, Alex.

Seriously - there is a reason why the AFC North has been going through Pittsburgh and Baltimore, and it ain't because Dalton can't cut it; those other teams tend to be annually more complete than the Bengals, and only a blind crybaby who is just looking for a reason to pitch a ***** doesn't see it.
So our FO is inferior?
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True but look at the play-off wins he had between year one, and year five, a few more than "WONDER BOY"
Maybe but those werent because of the Ravens Offense.
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Usually in between years 3 and 5 on average in the NFL. That's how long it takes for the group to think as one, or gel, as the pundits say. So we could be watching the beginning of a wonderful relationship.


No complaints here, my situation changed dramatically, I can proudly put my Bengals flag out on the porch and NOT get flaming bags of dog **** thrown at my house anymore...
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I know I'm stating the obvious. But in order for the Bengals to go far in the playoffs and a eventual SB appearance,Andy needs to be the best QB in the AFC North.
The Ravens got to the big show on Flacco's arm and exceptional QB decision making.
Hey I'd to love to see a upgrade at RB and another big time WR that can make vertical plays,but ultimately its gonna come down to Andy making plays downfield.
I hope Dalton had a fire lit under his behind by watching what Flacco did.
I want Dalton to come in and say,"I need to play better"
If Dalton can't get the Bengals past the 1st RD in 2013,then I'm gonna start to doubt if he's the franchise QB or not.

nevermind ray rice and a decent defense.
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I'll take Ray Rice and the Ravens defense for a $1000, Alex.

Seriously - there is a reason why the AFC North has been going through Pittsburgh and Baltimore, and it ain't because Dalton can't cut it; those other teams tend to be annually more complete than the Bengals, and only a blind crybaby who is just looking for a reason to pitch a ***** doesn't see it.
Homerism at its' best.
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Second year QB. Really? That is what you have to gripe about? In 5 years or so let's talk about it.
I'm not griping, stating facts, but you don't want to hear tha, huh?
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Maybe but those werent because of the Ravens Offense.
Our defense is great, what now?
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I'm not griping, stating facts, but you don't want to hear tha, huh?
Here is a fact. He is a second year QB that has performed well above the curve. Has performed around the level of a couple of guys named Manning and Marino. That is a fact.
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Joe Flacco has become a good 'playoff' QB. He reminds me of Eli Manning. Neither one of those QBs are consistent during the season, whatsoever, just look at their stats.

Having said that you need some breaks also in a playoff run, and I'm not talking about referees. I'm talking about some of the poor play from the Denver and SF secondary that helped Flacco's cause, and some of the unbelievable catches that some Giant receivers have made in the playoffs, particularly the catch against the helmet that was made against New England in the Giant SB.

IMHO Brady and Rodgers are the ONLY superb seasonal and playoff QBs in the league right now. Peyton is a 'seasonal' QB giant, but hasn't proven the playoff part of his equation to date.

Being a baseball guy, the one thing I like better about baseball is, because the nature of the sport, a team gets the best of a 3 out of 5 or 4 out of 7 games in every playoff series.

Obviously, with football, that's not possible because of the physical nature of that sport.
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So our FO is inferior?
Does it need to be said?

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Homerism at its' best.
And you're always crying at it's worst. I'd figure someone who spews as much hate as you do about any team would be a fan of said team's rival.
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Our defense is great, what now?
Ravens had a better defense in Flacco's first year, being the #2 defense. Also, Flacco looked HORRIBLE in his first playoff games.

Even in his 2nd season, the defense was better than the Bengals, being #3 overall.

Flacco's stats for 1st playoff game - 9 completions out of 23 attempts. 135 yards. 39.1% completion percentage. QB rating of 59.
2nd game - 11 of 22. 161 yards. 50% completion percentage. 1 TD. QB rating of 89.4.
3rd game - 13 of 30. 141 yards. 43.3% completion percentage. 0 TDs. 3 INTs. QB rating of 18.2.

Now his next season.
1st game - 4 of 10. 34 yards. 40% completion percentage. 0 TDs. 1 INT. QB rating of 10.
2nd game - 20 of 35. 189 yards. 57.1% completion percentage. 0TDs. 2 INTs. QB rating of 48.4.

Flacco helps prove the fact that defenses can also ride a team. But now, he drove his team to the Super Bowl. I GUARANTEE very little people saw him doing any of this post season stuff after his first few playoff games. Dalton needs time, and he deserves it. He has had a full offseason ONCE in his career.
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