2/4 Draft

[pulses]

Holloman will be an interesting evaluation for scouts. He possesses good athleticism for his frame. He's struggles getting off blocks, however, and may not have the flexibility or football speed (as opposed to 40-speed) to compete against the high-octane passing attacks so popular in today's NFL.

At worst, he should provide an intriguing skill-set for special teams duty, which could be enough to get him drafted.

--Rob Rang


I'll pass on Holloman as well.

[ibengals]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

Sean Weatherspoon went 19th overall to the Falcons three years ago and the stats he put up the year before he came out were crushing what Brown put up this year, and he was probably more of an athletic freak. Hightower went 25th last year to the Patriots and I would take him 10 times out of 10 over Brown.

You have a case of obsession of a great athlete at a position of need. It's OK I've had it before.

Look, you can take a shot at me, or you can provide a logical reason why Brown can't succeed at the next level.

Either come up with something good, or stop typing. You haven't responded with a good argument yet. I'm waiting.

Oh, Navvoro Bowman put up 52 solo tackles in his final season at Penn State. I bet the 49ers wish they'd passed him right?

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by pulses

Dude had 1 good season in the college and that's it. No thanks I'll pass.

And chalk it up to another dumb statement.
Good play is good play.

It's about watching the guy play. How does he put up stats, does he benefit from a system, does he benefit from low level competition...tons more stuff factors in.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Tank's 11 sacks in 12 games at FSU is more impressive than anything Smith did at WKU.

Smith had 12.5 sacks in 10 games; that's more impressive.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by pulses

Holloman will be an interesting evaluation for scouts. He possesses good athleticism for his frame. He's struggles getting off blocks, however, and may not have the flexibility or football speed (as opposed to 40-speed) to compete against the high-octane passing attacks so popular in today's NFL.

At worst, he should provide an intriguing skill-set for special teams duty, which could be enough to get him drafted.

--Rob Rang


I'll pass on Holloman as well.

ZOMG a questionable guy in the 5th round??
He is also a very talented guy in coverage who had played SS at times.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

How far did it cause Gresham to slip?
Tank was playing at a first round level. He is rumored to be ready for a pro-day just before the draft.

Why? What has MJ done over Andre to deserve the extension more?



It isn't a reach. At all.

I will never understand the Ogletree love but the Brown hate. It is ridiculous and makes me question how much anyone has actually watched either guy.

Exceeded expectations as a 3rd round pick. Made an impact from day one. Played in every game possible. Plays more of a premium position. Never had a single issue. Led the DL, which is the strength of our team, in snaps. We know he wants to be here.

What has Andre done to deserve and extension more than MJ?

[pulses]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

And chalk it up to another dumb statement.
Good play is good play.

It's about watching the guy play. How does he put up stats, does he benefit from a system, does he benefit from low level competition...tons more stuff factors in.

Thats right and i would rather have someone whose put up stats and good play for SEASONS and not just one. It shows consistancy and growth as a player which is what you want.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Smith had 12.5 sacks in 10 games; that's more impressive.

1.5 more sacks at WKU? I disagree.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

Exceeded expectations as a 3rd round pick. Made an impact from day one. Played in every game possible. Plays more of a premium position. Never had a single issue. Led the DL, which is the strength of our team, in snaps. We know he wants to be here.

What has Andre done to deserve and extension more than MJ?

Bull ****. We know he is posturing for a deal. A big deal. He won't take a sweetheart deal.
So you listed his intangibles, but what about his many disappearing acts?

Originally Posted by pulses

Thats right and i would rather have someone whose put up stats and good play for SEASONS and not just one.

Lol. And that isn't Jenkins. Sorry.

[pulses]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Bull ****. We know he is posturing for a deal. A big deal. He won't take a sweetheart deal.
So you listed his intangibles, but what about his many disappearing acts?



Lol. And that isn't Jenkins. Sorry.

33.5 TFL and 21.5 sacks in 2 seasons before his injury last year... thats MUCH more impressive than TANK get a clue.

Oh and I would take David Bass and his 40.5 sacks in 4 seasons over tank as well.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

1.5 more sacks at WKU? I disagree.

Disagree all ya want; however, 1.5 more sacks in 1 fewer game is more impressive. Throw in the fact that Smith was the focal point of teams looking to defense WKU (Teams such as Southern Miss, ULL, Kentucky, and Alabama). Tank had someone on the other end drawing a lot of the blocker's attention at FSU.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Lol. And that isn't Jenkins. Sorry.

Why was Jenkins starting over Tank before he got hurt?

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by pulses

33.5 TFL and 21.5 sacks in 2 seasons before his injury last year... thats MUCH more impressive than TANK get a clue.

And how about the tape?
Did you watch that?
Tank is more impressive as a 4-3 DE than Jenkins. Plain and simple

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Why was Jenkins starting over Tank before he got hurt?

Who knows. Why did Mark Ingram start over Trent Richardson?

[pulses]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

ZOMG a questionable guy in the 5th round??
He is also a very talented guy in coverage who had played SS at times.

Yep, we'd be better suited to take Hodges in the 4th and be done with it.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Who knows.

It is quite obvious you do not. But to answer the question Ingram was the upper classman and the incumbant and Alabama's 1st ever Heisman trophy winner.

[pulses]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

And how about the tape?
Did you watch that?
Tank is more impressive as a 4-3 DE than Jenkins. Plain and simple

Maybe so but I wouldn't draft tank which is what i stated from the start. And I told you why and it's my opinion and it's not DUMB as you stated.

[pulses]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Why was Jenkins starting over Tank before he got hurt?

Because jenkins was obviously the better player.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by bfine32

It is quite obvious you do not.

Jenkins is a faster player. Works in college. In the NFL he is best suited at 3-4 OLB.

So you agree with the statement; Kyle Cook is better than Trevor Robinson and should have started once back from injury?

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by pulses

Maybe so but I wouldn't draft tank which is what i stated from the start. And I told you why and it's my opinion and it's not DUMB as you stated.

To say you wouldn't draft Tank because of injury but then immediately say you would draft a guy who had an injury is dumb.
Very dumb.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

To say you wouldn't draft Tank because of injury but then immediately say you would draft a guy who had an injury is dumb.
Very dumb.

Says the guy that thinks we should re-sign Rey and thinks 11 sack in 12 games is more impressive than 12.5 sacks in 10 games.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by ibengals

Look, you can take a shot at me, or you can provide a logical reason why Brown can't succeed at the next level.

Either come up with something good, or stop typing. You haven't responded with a good argument yet. I'm waiting.

Oh, Navvoro Bowman put up 52 solo tackles in his final season at Penn State. I bet the 49ers wish they'd passed him right?

I never said he couldn't succeed. No need to get so butt hurt. I'm saying he is a massive reach at 21. I think he could easily come in and be your average starting LB, just slightly below what we got from Rivers.

If his instincts and technique are so great he should have put up a helluva lot better stats playing MLB.

Bowman was a 3rd round pick. I'd gamble on Brown in the 3rd.

We got outstanding production from an UDFA rookie playing out of position at WILL this year. I think it is a bad idea to reach for an undersized athlete with average production with the 21st pick in the draft when there are going to be better options available at more premium positions.

If his coverage skills are so great I think he should have had more than two INTs this year. And both the INTs he had were off of tipped balls.

I'm not the one banging the drum for this guy in the first. You should be the one giving good reasons he is worthy of 21.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Says the guy that thinks we should re-sign Rey.

As a back up there is no downside to this.

[pulses]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

To say you wouldn't draft Tank because of injury but then immediately say you would draft a guy who had an injury is dumb.
Very dumb.

Not DUMB at all when you look at the injuries and the production. Jenkins is the better player and it's pretty obvious.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by pulses

Not DUMB at all when you look at the injuries and the production. Jenkins is the better player and it's pretty obvious.

In college. But there is a lot more to it than that when looking at NFL projections.

Rey was better in college than Matthews or Cushing. But their play translated better to the NFL. They got drafted ahead of him. It showed.

When your reasoning is injury, the logic behind it is dumb.