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Cliff Avril


DOB: 4/8/86
HT: 6-3
WT: 260
POS: DE
2012 TEAM: Detroit




Tkl 35
Solo 28
Sack 9.5
FF 2

Player Analysis

Avril is an outside rusher who is not particualrly stout against the run, but pass-rushers are always in demand. I see low-A money in his future, but not right on the mark. He's a talented player and young (27 in 2013 season).






A
Dwight Freeney


DOB: 2/19/80
HT: 6-1
WT: 268
POS: DE
2012 TEAM: Indianapolis




Tkl 12
Solo 10
Sack 5.0
FF 1

Player Analysis

As you'd imagine I'm rather familiar with him. I see Freeney as a fit in a Wide-9 scheme or as a 4-3 DE. I believe he still has a lot of talent, but age is definitely a concern.






A
Michael Johnson


DOB: 2/7/87
HT: 6-7
WT: 270
POS: DE
2012 TEAM: Cincinnati




Tkl 54
Solo 36
Sack 11.5
FF 0

Player Analysis

Great size and production (11.5 sacks) make him an ideal target for teams in the market for a pass-rusher.






A
Paul Kruger


DOB: 2/15/86
HT: 6-4
WT: 270
POS: LB
2012 TEAM: Baltimore




Tkl 56
Solo 39
Sack 13.5
FF 2

Player Analysis

An outside pass-rusher, Kruger can play OLB or DE. He is coming off his rookie contract and really came into his own this season. He's become a very efficient pass-rusher, and there is a market for a player like that.






A
Rey Maualuga


DOB: 1/20/87
HT: 6-1
WT: 268
POS: LB
2012 TEAM: Cincinnati




Tkl 122
Solo 62
Sack 1.0
FF 0

Player Analysis

He's had off-field issues, although none recently. I think free agency will really benefit him because he's more of a B player, but he is a starter in Cincy and could be a solid starter elsewhere. There aren't a lot of interior LBs on the market, so I think he'll command A money.






A
Brent Grimes


DOB: 7/19/83
HT: 5-10
WT: 183
POS: CB
2012 TEAM: Atlanta




Tkl 6
Solo 6
Sack 0
FF 0
INT 0

Player Analysis

Solid young player, but injury concern (Achilles) might reduce his value. He's a starting-caliber corner if he answers his health question.






A
Cary Williams


DOB: 12/23/84
HT: 6-1
WT: 190
POS: CB
2012 TEAM: Baltimore




Tkl 102
Solo 88
Sack 1.0
FF 0
INT 6

Player Analysis

Williams is a very good man-to-man corner who stepped in for Lardarius Webb and outpaced expectations with the Ravens. He's probably low A, but because of his good year, I think he'll be able to cash in and get A-level money.






A
William Moore


DOB: 5/18/85
HT: 6-0
WT: 221
POS: S
2012 TEAM: Atlanta




Tkl 86
Solo 63
Sack 1.0
FF 2
INT 4

Player Analysis

Moore is not a spectacular player, but he could start for most teams in the league. He's a good all-around type, solid in all phases of the game.






A
Jairus Byrd


DOB: 10/7/86
HT: 5-10
WT: 203
POS: S
2012 TEAM: Buffalo




Tkl 76
Solo 53
Sack 0
FF 4
INT 5

Player Analysis

Timed speed is a question mark, but instincts, toughness and production are not.






A
Louis Delmas


DOB: 4/12/87
HT: 5-11
WT: 202
POS: S
2012 TEAM: Detroit




Tkl 38
Solo 28
Sack 0
FF 0
INT 1

Player Analysis

Delmas has good range and good instincts, and is very tough. He battled a knee injury all season, but I see him as a very interesting safety. His position might not command a big-money deal, however.






A
Ed Reed


DOB: 9/11/78
HT: 5-11
WT: 205
POS: S
2012 TEAM: Baltimore




Tkl 73
Solo 53
Sack 0
FF 0
INT 5

Player Analysis

For years, Reed has been the best safety in the NFL, unconventional as he might be. His instincts are unparalleled, but age is a concern at this stage of the game, and I'm not sure whether there's a long-term deal out there for him. He probably will go back to Baltimore, but I've seen some rumors mention New England. That's a possibility. He is on the down side of his career but still is a great player and a Hall of Famer. Could he have value as a tutor for younger players? Sure, but no one plays the position like Reed does. He's one of the smartest and most unconventional safeties I've seen, and I don't think anyone could emulate him.






A
LaRon Landry


DOB: 10/14/84
HT: 6-0
WT: 220
POS: S
2012 TEAM: NY Jets




Tkl 99
Solo 75
Sack 0
FF 4
INT 2

Player Analysis

Landry had a good year for a bad team. He's a striker, a big hitter. While he is a little older, he's still a pretty serviceable player. We're closer to B territory now, but for a team looking for a safety, he could do a good job.






A
Glover Quin


DOB: 1/15/86
HT: 6-0
WT: 207
POS: S
2012 TEAM: Houston




Tkl 84
Solo 64
Sack 1.0
FF 2
INT 2

Player Analysis

Just an athletic, tough safety. If you want a safety to play man, cover ground, and go up and play in the nickel on the line of scrimmage, this is a guy who does all of that well. I think he has more value to Houston than to another team, so I think the Texans will do what they can to sign him. Within the role he plays, he's very good.









Tier A: Special Teams



A
Dustin Colquitt


DOB: 5/6/82
HT: 6-3
WT: 210
POS: P
2012 TEAM: Kansas City




Punts 83
Avg 46.8
Long 71
TB 7
In20 45

Player Analysis

If you're in the market for a punter, there are good ones on the market. People don't really chase punters, but Colquitt is one who can flip the field, and that bears mentioning.






A
Shane Lechler


DOB: 8/7/76
HT: 6-2
WT: 230
POS: P
2012 TEAM: Oakland




Punts 81
Avg 47.2
Long 68
TB 9
In20 21

Player Analysis

Lechler is an incredibly gifted punter. He can flip the field seemingly whenever he wants and manipulate the ball to his bidding. I'd rank him slightly ahead of Colquitt, but both are talented. How much do you want to pay for a punter? That will depend on the team. But he's a weapon.






A
Pat McAfee


DOB: 5/2/87
HT: 6-1
WT: 220
POS: P
2012 TEAM: Indianapolis




Punts 73
Avg 48.2
Long 64
TB 8
In20 26

Player Analysis

He is a B as a punter, but he also is a good kickoff guy and can be a kicker, so there's value in that versatility as you manage a limited roster. Indianapolis might pay him if the Colts believe he can replace Adam Vinatieri eventually. He's not the punter Lechler or Colquitt is, but just a notch below. He has become better directionally than in the past.









Tier B: Offense (notables)



As I mentioned above, the B players are guys worth pursuing only if you can get them at a good value. A lot of these players might surprise you because there are some big names in this group. For those, I've detailed some of the reasons keeping them out of A territory. I've also provided some detail on players I think could be particularly appealing in this tier. The remainder are grouped into the chart below.




B
Derek Anderson


DOB: 6/15/83
HT: 6-6
WT: 230
POS: QB
2012 TEAM: Carolina




Att 4
Comp 4
Yds 58
TD 0
INT 0
QBR 91.6

Player Analysis

Teams without a quarterback probably will consider him. He has proved to be relatively reliable over the course of his career. As a backup he's ideal, but if the price is right, you ought to think about him as a starter.






B
Drew Stanton


DOB: 5/7/84
HT: 6-3
WT: 243
POS: QB
2012 TEAM: Indianapolis




Att 0
Comp 0
Yds 0
TD 0
INT 0
QBR N/A

Player Analysis

Stanton certainly warrants consideration as a backup and might even have starting ability, but he does not have the body of work Anderson does. He's an interesting prospect.






B
Felix Jones


DOB: 5/8/87
HT: 5-10
WT: 215
POS: RB
2012 TEAM: Dallas




Att 111
Yds 402
Avg 3.6
Long 22
Fum 1
TD 3

Player Analysis

You'll recognize the name, but 2012 was just the second time in his five-year career he's played 16 games.






B
Javon Ringer


DOB: 2/2/87
HT: 5-9
WT: 213
POS: RB
2012 TEAM: Tennessee




Att 2
Yds 14
Avg 7.0
Long 9
Fum 0
TD 0

Player Analysis

Ringer is a good short-yardage and goal-line runner. He's coming off a serious knee injury, which worries me, but he's a solid player. I see him as a No. 2 back in a San Francisco-style attack. In Indianapolis, we needed and wanted someone like him.






B
Reggie Bush


DOB: 3/2/85
HT: 6-0
WT: 203
POS: RB
2012 TEAM: Miami




Att 227
Yds 986
Avg 4.3
Long 65
Fum 4
TD 6

Player Analysis

He's a name, but at this stage in his career, he's a third-down guy.






B
Greg Jennings


DOB: 9/21/83
HT: 5-11
WT: 198
POS: WR
2012 TEAM: Green Bay




Rec 46
Yds 481
Avg 10.4
Long 45
TD 5

Player Analysis

Jennings will be a big name, but this is the classic question mark: How much do you pay a guy who will turn 30 at the start of the 2013 season and is coming off of two injury-plagued seasons?






B
Dwayne Bowe


DOB: 9/21/84
HT: 6-2
WT: 221
POS: WR
2012 TEAM: Kansas City




Rec 59
Yds 801
Avg 13.6
Long 47
TD 3

Player Analysis

Bowe is certain to be one of the names all the gurus will be talking about, but he has inconsistent hands. The QB situation in Kansas City doesn't affect him that much; you have to catch the ball when it's thrown to you. Bowe will intrigue some people, and others will shy away.






B
Danny Amendola


DOB: 11/2/85
HT: 5-11
WT: 188
POS: WR
2012 TEAM: St. Louis




Rec 63
Yds 666
Avg 10.6
Long 56
TD 3

Player Analysis

He's coming off injury, but I see him as a younger Wes Welker. He's a good possession receiver.






B
Austin Collie


DOB: 11/11/85
HT: 6-0
WT: 204
POS: WR
2012 TEAM: Indianapolis




Rec 1
Yds 6
Avg 6.0
Long 6
TD 0

Player Analysis

Injuries are the concern, particularly the concussions. That will be reflected in the amount of money he gets. If you're willing to gamble a little on the health questions and he can put it behind him, Collie is a very solid slot receiver -- smart, tough and resourceful.






B
Josh Cribbs


DOB: 6/9/83
HT: 6-1
WT: 215
POS: WR
2012 TEAM: Cleveland




Rec 7
Yds 63
Avg 9.0
Long 24
TD 0

Player Analysis

At this stage, Cribbs is a return man only, and his age will drive the price and longevity of term down.






B
Anthony Fasano


DOB: 4/20/84
HT: 6-4
WT: 255
POS: TE
2012 TEAM: Miami




Rec 41
Yds 332
Avg 8.1
Long 22
TD 5

Player Analysis

Receiving and speed aren't his strong suits, but he can block. As a solid, all-around guy, he'll get the job done.






B
Delanie Walker


DOB: 8/12/84
HT: 6-0
WT: 242
POS: TE
2012 TEAM: San Fran




Rec 26
Yds 429
Avg 16.5
Long 45
TD 3

Player Analysis

He's a valuable role player. He can catch the ball, block, even play a little fullback. At the right price, he's a good addition to a contending team. He's reliable.






B
Gary Barnidge


DOB: 9/22/85
HT: 6-5
WT: 250
POS: TE
2012 TEAM: Carolina




Rec 6
Yds 78
Avg 13.0
Long 24
TD 1

Player Analysis

Built with a long body, he catches pretty well and has been pretty reliable. He won't be a big-money guy, but he'll probably be a pretty good addition to a team.









Tier B: Defense (notables)





B
Kevin Vickerson


DOB: 1/8/83
HT: 6-5
WT: 290
POS: DT
2012 TEAM: Denver




Tkl 40
Solo 28
Sack 2.0
FF 1

Player Analysis

Age is a concern, but he plays awfully well. Defensive tackles tend to play a little longer than most positions, though, so the risk isn't as big as with other positions.










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Tier B: Defense (notables)











B
Terrance Knighton


DOB: 7/4/86
HT: 6-3
WT: 330
POS: DT
2012 TEAM: Jacksonville




Tkl 32
Solo 20
Sack 2.0
FF 2

Player Analysis

His lack of consistent effort and conditioning is a concern.






B
Sen'Derrick Marks


DOB: 2/23/87
HT: 6-2
WT: 294
POS: DT
2012 TEAM: Tennessee




Tkl 41
Solo 30
Sack 2.0
FF 1

Player Analysis

An interior pass-rusher and pretty good at it, Marks will be sought after. He has gotten better against the run over the years as well. For teams with a need at defensive tackle, he fits the bill.






B
Ricky Jean Francois


DOB: 6/23/87
HT: 6-3
WT: 295
POS: DT
2012 TEAM: San Fran




Tkl 24
Solo 13
Sack 2.0
FF 0

Player Analysis

Another player I've seen improve year over year, he can play all three 3-4 defensive line positions, although he probably is better suited to play a 3-4 end. A solid player, he is young and has shown he can develop.






B
Glenn Dorsey


DOB: 8/1/85
HT: 6-1
WT: 297
POS: DE
2012 TEAM: Kansas City




Tkl 7
Solo 4
Sack 0
FF 0

Player Analysis

Dorsey has never played to the level of his draft position, but his big name will command attention.






B
Mike DeVito


DOB: 6/10/84
HT: 6-3
WT: 305
POS: DE
2012 TEAM: NY Jets




Tkl 52
Solo 27
Sack 1.0
FF 2

Player Analysis

He's a hard-playing run-defender, and teams that play the 3-4 will take a look at him as a valuable role player.






B
Justin Durant


DOB: 9/20/85
HT: 6-1
WT: 240
POS: LB
2012 TEAM: Detroit




Tkl 103
Solo 82
Sack 0.5
FF 0

Player Analysis

Durant is still young, with upside. Depending on the value of the deal, he could make for a good pickup. Some might see him as an A.






B
Philip Wheeler


DOB: 12/12/84
HT: 6-2
WT: 240
POS: LB
2012 TEAM: Oakland




Tkl 109
Solo 78
Sack 3.0
FF 2

Player Analysis

Wheeler had a good year in Oakland in 2012. His best position is SAM LB, which is not a big-demand position. But he can run, hit and blitz. He's gotten better every year.






B
Erik Walden


DOB: 12/12/84
HT: 6-2
WT: 240
POS: LB
2012 TEAM: Green Bay




Tkl 46
Solo 27
Sack 3.0
FF 0

Player Analysis

He's an up-and-coming guy. He flies around the field and is tough. He's well suited to the 3-4, young and with upside. I don't see a big market, but nonetheless he's an asset.






B
Captain Munnerlyn


DOB: 4/10/88
HT: 5-8
WT: 190
POS: CB
2012 TEAM: Carolina




Tkl 61
Solo 48
Sack 0
FF 0
INT 2

Player Analysis

He's a fit as a nickel CB who has good skills and insticnts. He can also contribute in the return game.






B
Patrick Chung


DOB: 8/19/87
HT: 5-11
WT: 210
POS: S
2012 TEAM: New England




Tkl 44
Solo 29
Sack 0
FF 0
INT 2

Player Analysis

He has a big name and talent, but he's an injury concern.







Tier B: Special Teams





B
Rob Bironas


DOB: 1/29/78
HT: 6-0
WT: 210
POS: K
2012 TEAM: Tennessee




FGM 25
FGA 31
LNG 53
XPM 35
XPA 35

Player Analysis

Bironas is old but still a good kicker.






B
Lawrence Tynes


DOB: 5/3/78
HT: 6-1
WT: 194
POS: K
2012 TEAM: NY Giants




FGM 33
FGA 39
LNG 50
XPM 46
XPA 46

Player Analysis

He gets points for handling the winds of the Meadowlands and for his experience in clutch situations.







Remaining B's



Remaining B free agents

PlayerPositionDOB2012 teamConcernsMatt MooreQB8/9/84Miami--Danny WoodheadRB1/25/85New England--Shonn GreeneRB8/21/85NY Jets--Brandon TateWR10/5/87Cincinnati--Donnie AveryWR6/12/84Indianapolis--Devery HendersonWR3/26/82New Orleans--Darius ReynaudWR12/29/84Tennessee--Brandon GibsonWR8/13/87St. Louis--Dustin KellerTE9/25/84NY JetsInjuryCameron MorrahTE3/18/87SeattleInjuryKevin BootheOG7/5/83NY Giants--Brandon MooreOG6/3/80NY Jets--Sam BakerOT5/30/85Atlanta--Dwan EdwardsOT5/16/81Carolina--Andre SmithOT1/25/87Cincinnati--Will BeattyOT3/2/85NY Giants--Issac SopoagaNT9/4/81San FranAgeJason JonesDT5/23/86Seattle--Lawrence SidburyDE2/6/86Atlanta--Israel IdonijeDE11/17/80ChicagoAgeRobert GeathersDE8/11/83Cincinnati--Manny LawsonLB7/3/84Cincinnati--Shaun PhillipsLB5/13/81San Diego--Dominique Rodgers-CromartieCB4/7/86Philadelphia--Leodis McKelvinDB9/1/85BuffaloInjuryTracy PorterCB8/11/86DenverInjuryKenny PhillipsS11/24/86NY Giants--



Tier C



Now we're into roster filler territory. That isn't to say these players won't contribute and can't provide value, but they aren't going to command a long-term commitment nor a particularly big salary.


Tier C free agents

PlayerPositionDOB2012 teamConcernsMichael AdamsCB6/17/85Arizona--Nick EasonDE5/29/80Arizona--Rashad JohnsonS1/2/86Arizona--James SandersS11/11/83Arizona--James IhedigboS12/3/83Baltimore-Ma'ake KemoeatuNT1/10/79BaltimoreInjuryBryant McKinnieOT9/23/79BaltimoreInjuryTashard ChoiceRB11/20/84Buffalo--Jordan SennLB6/11/84Carolina--Kelvin HaydenCB7/23/83ChicagoInjury/AgeBruce GradkowskiQB1/27/83Cincinnati--Brian LeonardRB2/3/84Cincinnati--Mike NugentK3/2/82Cincinnati--Phil DawsonK1/23/75ClevelandAgeKaluka MaiavaLB12/27/86ClevelandInjuryMohamed MassaquoiWR11/24/86Cleveland--Juqua ParkerDE5/15/78ClevelandAgeBen WatsonTE12/18/80Cleveland--Jacob HesterRB5/8/85Denver--Dan KoppenC9/12/79DenverAgeJim LeonhardS10/27/82DenverInjury/AgeKevin SmithRB12/17/86DetroitInjuryDerek LandriDT9/21/83PhiladelphiaInjury/Age
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Smith looked like a great tackle during the 1st half of the year. During the 2nd half he got destroyed when he played against speed rushers.

Polian says B level money and A level for Rey because there aren't many good free agentvMLBs. He doesn't claim Rey is great.
I'd take a chance on a 4th round rookie MIKE before I'd pay REY "A" level money. At least the rookie could have potential to be good.
At this point, Rey's nothing more than backup level talent in the middle, and a low grade starter on the outside. At best.
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Sorry guys, I know these are hard to read. If somone has a better way, by all means go to ESPN and find the link and do a better job of pasting than I did.
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Rey Maualuga is an "A" tier free agent and Andre Smith is a "B" tier free agent.

Strange,

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story...ee-agents-tier

Rey Maualuga
I see the typical responses based on a small part of a very large article and opinion of Bill Polian about all free agents. His opinion is Rey is a "B" type free agent who may get "A" type money based on a weak free agent class at inside linebacker. He may be wrong, but I find it hilarious those with zero credentials and credibility jump to throw Polian under the bus.

Let's wait and see if he is wrong before we judge him. Oh and he had lots of other interesting thoughts that make the entire article a worthwhile read.
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I see the typical responses based on a small part of a very large article and opinion of Bill Polian about all free agents. His opinion is Rey is a "B" type free agent who may get "A" type money based on a weak free agent class at inside linebacker. He may be wrong, but I find it hilarious those with zero credentials and credibility jump to throw Polian under the bus.

Let's wait and see if he is wrong before we judge him. Oh and he had lots of other interesting thoughts that make the entire article a worthwhile read.
Everyone is fallible, regardless of their credentials. Bill Polian is currently without employ in the NFL ranks, and he certainly didn't evaluate Rey any more than most here(after the 2009 combine) when he was a GM in Indy.

If Rey gets A-level money from any team I will crap myself from laughing so hard at the idiocy of that front office.

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This is the same clown many of the Dalton fantasizers were so proudly quoting a few months back "proving" Dalton to be a franchise QB. I laugh as hard at this assessment as I did at that one!
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This is the same clown many of the Dalton fantasizers were so proudly quoting a few months back "proving" Dalton to be a franchise QB. I laugh as hard at this assessment as I did at that one!
So Dalton isn't a franchise QB?

2 playoffs in 2 years. Keep complaining
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Rey Maualuga is an "A" tier free agent and Andre Smith is a "B" tier free agent.

Strange,

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story...ee-agents-tier

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So Dalton isn't a franchise QB?

2 playoffs in 2 years. Keep complaining
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So Dalton isn't a franchise QB?

2 playoffs in 2 years. Keep complaining
We've been to the playoffs 3 times in the last 4 years.
The common denominator is a dominating defense, not Dalton.

Now, if you're arguing that he's a decent game manager, I agree with you.

But the last game manager to win a super bowl was Trent Dilfer in 2002. And all he needed was a record breaking defense behind him

And before that? 1990 with Jeff Hostetler. And he was a back up to an elite QB, Phil Sims, who was injured.

QBs that did win the super bowl:
Joe Flacco, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner, John Elway, Brett Favre, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Joe Montana, Doug Williams, Phil Simms, Jim McMahon, Jim Plunkett, Joe Theismann, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler, Bob Griese, Johnny Unitas, Leo Dawson, Joe Namath and Bart Starr

You can't win a superbowl with a middle of the road QB unless your defense is literally the best of your generation.

It's a sad but real truth.

I don't know if I can count Dalton in the company of 95% of those QBs I listed.
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So Dalton isn't a franchise QB?

2 playoffs in 2 years. Keep complaining
I think Dalton will be a very good QB for the Bengals.. but franchise QB? Depends on if Gruden stops trying to keep Dalton from doing what he does successfully and trying to force him to do what he's not very great at. But all of that is a moot point. I just had to say that I can't accept "2 playoffs in 2 years" as the reasoning for why Dalton is a franchise QB. Now keep in mind I think Dalton will be an excellent QB, but that's the worst reasoning of why ever... and I will only give one reason.


1. Mark Sanchez- Went to the playoffs his first two years too... and won FOUR playoff games.... not a franchise QB.
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But the last game manager to win a super bowl was Trent Dilfer in 2002. And all he needed was a record breaking defense behind him
I'd argue that Ben Roethlisberger in 2005 was just a game manager at the time. He threw for under 200 yards a game that season, had less than 20 TDs, and had the worst QB Rating of a Super Bowl winning QB at 22.6... throwing for 123 yards, 0 TDs, and 2 INTs.... all of which is vastly worse than Alex Smith the last two years that people have called him a game manager.

(And honestly, his stats in 2008 aren't any more flattering.. 206 yards a game, sub 60% completion percentage, 17 TDs, 15 INTs, 14 Fumbles with 7 lost.. and he won 3 playoff games that year with a total of 3 TDs, 692 yards from him. Those numbers on a lesser team don't even come close to sniffing a Super Bowl... let alone winning it. His two Super Bowl winning years are actually two of the three worst seasons in his career.)
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I'd argue that Ben Roethlisberger in 2005 was just a game manager at the time. He threw for under 200 yards a game that season, had less than 20 TDs, and had the worst QB Rating of a Super Bowl winning QB at 22.6... throwing for 123 yards, 0 TDs, and 2 INTs.... all of which is vastly worse than Alex Smith the last two years that people have called him a game manager.

(And honestly, his stats in 2008 aren't any more flattering.. 206 yards a game, sub 60% completion percentage, 17 TDs, 15 INTs, 14 Fumbles with 7 lost.. and he won 3 playoff games that year with a total of 3 TDs, 692 yards from him. Those numbers on a lesser team don't even come close to sniffing a Super Bowl... let alone winning it.)
It'd be an interesting debate.

I've always viewed Ben as a playmaker at QB. He may not have always had gaudy numbers, but in the system that he played in, all defense and running, it would be tough for him to shine until they couldn't run anymore (about 4 years ago)

Even though Ben was not the star of the offense in 2005, he still had a 98.6 QB rating, completed 62.7% of his passes and still had the ability to extend plays the way he does.
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Rey Maualuga is an "A" tier free agent and Andre Smith is a "B" tier free agent.

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It'd be an interesting debate.

I've always viewed Ben as a playmaker at QB. He may not have always had gaudy numbers, but in the system that he played in, all defense and running, it would be tough for him to shine until they couldn't run anymore (about 4 years ago)

Even though Ben was not the star of the offense in 2005, he still had a 98.6 QB rating, completed 62.7% of his passes and still had the ability to extend plays the way he does.
I felt that while he always was able to extend plays, for the longest time, he was viewed as a lot better than he actually was due to being carried by his team to super bowl wins. If you ever need proof that a game managing QB can look good when not asked to do much in order to win, just look at Alex Smith the last two years. He had a 90.7 QB Rating in 2011 and 104.1 in 10 games (Ben only played 12 in 2005) in 2012 with a 70.2% completion percentage and a 13-5 TD/Int before CK took over.

I think he's a good QB now, but in 2005 and 2008, he was already dubbed elite, and he had only really had one good statistical season.
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I don't know if I can count Dalton in the company of 95% of those QBs I listed.
That is because you aren't looking at what all thjose QBs did their first two years in the league. I'll bet that at this point in his career Dalton has outperformed an overwhelming majority of them.
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Maybe he meant that he needs AA ?
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Sorry to pop your Bubble... But hes Our Franchise QB for the foreseeable future... IE his rookie deal.
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QBs that did win the super bowl:
Joe Flacco, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner, John Elway, Brett Favre, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Joe Montana, Doug Williams, Phil Simms, Jim McMahon, Jim Plunkett, Joe Theismann, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler, Bob Griese, Johnny Unitas, Leo Dawson, Joe Namath and Bart Starr

You can't win a superbowl with a middle of the road QB unless your defense is literally the best of your generation.

It's a sad but real truth.

I don't know if I can count Dalton in the company of 95% of those QBs I listed.
Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton had very similar seasons in the regular season this year. Dalton threw several more touchdowns and Flacco threw several less interceptions. Pretty equal QB rating, Dalton slightly better completion percentage, Flacco slightly more yards. Flacco had been middle of the road for a long while now, and a lot of people were saying that Baltimore should find another QB as he wasn't "elite". Hell they were doing the same thing with Eli before the first AND second time he won a Super Bowl. I think Dalton's numbers compare well to quite a few of those QBs listed...and hopefully Dalton will continue to improve and grow as he gets more experience and we add more pieces around him (hopefully, we got cap room).
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