Walter Football mocks T'eo to Bengals @ 21

[bradfritz21]

Te'o is too big of a head case and I'd be ****** if we took him at 21.

He disappeared in the biggest game of his life. It was only one game? OK, I understand, but it was the biggest game of his life and every game in the NFL will be bigger than that.

We don't need to take another chance on another head case backer.

No thanks.

Please, Lord, no thanks.

[Treee]

Nooooooooooo

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by bradfritz21

Te'o is too big of a head case and I'd be ****** if we took him at 21.

He disappeared in the biggest game of his life. It was only one game? OK, I understand, but it was the biggest game of his life and every game in the NFL will be bigger than that.

We don't need to take another chance on another head case backer.

No thanks.

Please, Lord, no thanks.

Jonathan Franklin disappeared in the biggest game in his life, Arthur Bown disappeared in the biggest game in his life, Jermaine Gresham and Andy Dalton disappeared in the biggest games in thier lives; do you want any of them?

[ishouldbegm]

he will not be taken in the first round by anybody besides when is the last time notre dame produced a good nfl player

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by ishouldbegm

he will not be taken in the first round by anybody besides when is the last time notre dame produced a good nfl player

Harrison Smith, this year.

[McC]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Harrison Smith, this year.

Floyd wasn't too bad either, right?

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by McC

Floyd wasn't too bad either, right?

No doubt, but you have to go all the way back to the 2011 draft before you find a ND draft pick that made the Pro Bowl (Kyle Rudolph).

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by bradfritz21

We don't need to take another chance on another head case backer.

After the way you creamed your pants over Vontaze Burfict I thought you would be the last person on the board to say something like this.

Jarvis Moss got two sacks in the biggest game of his college career. How smart was it to judge him on that one game?

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by ishouldbegm

he will not be taken in the first round by anybody besides when is the last time notre dame produced a good nfl player

I thought Trevor Robinson had a solid year considering he was an UDFA.

I'd rather us take Te'O in the first than A. Brown.

Preferably we pass on a first round LB all together. The guys with first round grades just seem unremarkable.

[Carolinabengalfanguy]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Jonathan Franklin disappeared in the biggest game in his life, Arthur Bown disappeared in the biggest game in his life, Jermaine Gresham and Andy Dalton disappeared in the biggest games in thier lives; do you want any of them?

I recall Andy winning the Rose bowl unless of course you are referencing the duds in the playoffs the last two years.

[bradfritz21]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

After the way you creamed your pants over Vontaze Burfict I thought you would be the last person on the board to say something like this.

Jarvis Moss got two sacks in the biggest game of his college career. How smart was it to judge him on that one game?

Burfict wasn't a head case and the only reason that he went undrafted was because he tried to refine his play to be more controlled and then tried to be a model MIKE, even at the combine/pro day and in interviews.

Originally Posted by bfine32

Jonathan Franklin disappeared in the biggest game in his life, Arthur Bown disappeared in the biggest game in his life, Jermaine Gresham and Andy Dalton disappeared in the biggest games in thier lives; do you want any of them?

If Gresham catches that ball in the first quarter, it's a whole different ballgame for he and Dalton.

The entire team struggled.

Besides, even if they did struggle, they've proven that they can play well on the big stage and they're still coming into their own.

Look at Peyton Manning and how long it took him to do well in the playoffs, and I could be wrong about Te'o, but he just seems like way too big of a head case, which we're getting out of a bad relationship with a head case in Rey right now.

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by bradfritz21

Burfict wasn't a head case and the only reason that he went undrafted was because he tried to refine his play to be more controlled and then tried to be a model MIKE, even at the combine/pro day and in interviews.

So a model MIke is fat, slow, out of shape and smokes dope?



Please stop this silliness Brad. I feel embarrassed for you. Even Burfict admitted that he had lots of problems that he had to straighten out. Are calling him a liar?

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

So a model MIke is fat, slow, out of shape and smokes dope?



Please stop this silliness Brad. I feel embarrassed for you. Even Burfict admitted that he had lots of problems that he had to straighten out. Are calling him a liar?

Pretty much this.

[bradfritz21]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

So a model MIke is fat, slow, out of shape and smokes dope?



Please stop this silliness Brad. I feel embarrassed for you. Even Burfict admitted that he had lots of problems that he had to straighten out. Are calling him a liar?

States are legalizing marijuana, but he's a bad linebacker for smoking it?



Looking for reasons to hate,

When was he fat?



Looking for more reasons to hate.

He ran a slow 40 and might have been a bit out-of-shape, but that happened after the season, which my model MIKE statement was obviously about his play his final year because how can he be a model MIKE with no games?

Count it

[OchoCincos]

Originally Posted by Carolinabengalfanguy

I recall Andy winning the Rose bowl unless of course you are referencing the duds in the playoffs the last two years.

Has to be referring to the past two years in the NFL playoffs. The Rose Bowl is not all that great anyway :-P

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by bradfritz21

States are legalizing marijuana, but he's a bad linebacker for smoking it?



Looking for reasons to hate,

When was he fat?



Looking for more reasons to hate.

He ran a slow 40 and might have been a bit out-of-shape, but that happened after the season, which my model MIKE statement was obviously about his play his final year because how can he be a model MIKE with no games?

Count it

I don't think he is bad for smoking pot, but the NFL does. That is all that matters to me. I am not fantasizing about marrying the guy like you are. all I care about is that he doesn't get suspended when we need him on the field.


And he was fat and out of shape at the combine. Everyone knows this. Even Burfict has admitted it.

And you also wanted us to take Jenoris Jenkins, but now you say T'eo, who has never been in any legal trouble, or kicked out of school, or been involved in brawls, or failed drug tests, or father a bunch of illegitimate kids is too much of a head case?

You have some of the most screwed up values I have ever seen Brad. I actually understand the miondset of guys who are willing to forgive a guy anything just because he can ball. I don't agree with it, but I at least understand it. But how in the hell can you defend guys like Burfict and Jenkins but be down on T'eo?

It appears to me that you are a bit homophobic. That is the only possible explanation I can think of. If I am wrong please give me your actually reasoning.

[mayhem13]

If Ogletree and Vaccaro are gone by then, I am ok with drafting Teo. He does sort if remind me of Maulauga though...although better in coverage I think

[bradfritz21]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

I don't think he is bad for smoking pot, but the NFL does. That is all that matters to me. I am not fantasizing about marrying the guy like you are. all I care about is that he doesn't get suspended when we need him on the field.


And he was fat and out of shape at the combine. Everyone knows this. Even Burfict has admitted it.

And you also wanted us to take Jenoris Jenkins, but now you say T'eo, who has never been in any legal trouble, or kicked out of school, or been involved in brawls, or failed drug tests, or father a bunch of illegitimate kids is too much of a head case?

You have some of the most screwed up values I have ever seen Brad. I actually understand the miondset of guys who are willing to forgive a guy anything just because he can ball. I don't agree with it, but I at least understand it. But how in the hell can you defend guys like Burfict and Jenkins but be down on T'eo?

It appears to me that you are a bit homophobic. That is the only possible explanation I can think of. If I am wrong please give me your actually reasoning.

Fred goes to the homophobe comment when I havern't mentionerd anything about him being gay in this thread or even mentioned it as a possiblilty (I think I may have mentioned it once as a posssibility in another thread).

I'm down on Te'o and not the other guys because having a made-up girlfriend (I don't believe he ever actually believed she was real) for, what, three years and then blowing up in the biggest game of his life after it all comes out just screams "NFL BUST" and someone who has problems in his mind that likely won't ever go away because he obviously has issues.

Jenkins smoked pot and had unprotected sex a lot....... he's the devil.

Burfict smoked pot and was out of shape.......... he's the devil.

Te'o's a head case and not that good to begin with.

First two guys were immature but are doing great in the NFL.

Te'o's a basket case and that effects people's play.

[Lawless_1]

If I am drafting for SOLB in round 1 I'd go with Dion Jordan.

[Hammerstripes]

Originally Posted by bradfritz21

Burfict wasn't a head case and the only reason that he went undrafted was because he tried to refine his play to be more controlled and then tried to be a model MIKE, even at the combine/pro day and in interviews.




If Gresham catches that ball in the first quarter, it's a whole different ballgame for he and Dalton.

The entire team struggled.

Besides, even if they did struggle, they've proven that they can play well on the big stage and they're still coming into their own.

Look at Peyton Manning and how long it took him to do well in the playoffs, and I could be wrong about Te'o, but he just seems like way too big of a head case, which we're getting out of a bad relationship with a head case in Rey right now.

You are definitely forgetting a lot about Burfict from his college days. Head case was a perfect description for him. He played too out of control, not the other way around.

[Hammerstripes]

Originally Posted by Lawless_1

If I am drafting for SOLB in round 1 I'd go with Dion Jordan.

6'7" LB? I don't see that working out very well.

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by bradfritz21

Jenkins smoked pot and had unprotected sex a lot....... he's the devil.

Burfict smoked pot and was out of shape.......... he's the devil.

Te'o's a head case and not that good to begin with.

First two guys were immature but are doing great in the NFL.

Te'o's a basket case and that effects people's play.

This doesn't explain anything. All it does is re-enforce my position that you have a screwed up set of values.

Burfict punches his teammates, smokes pot, blows the biggest job interviews of his life at both the combine and his pro day, and doesn't even get to play in the biggest game of his college career because he was suspended...............He is not a head case at all.

Jenkins smokes pot, gets arrested twice for bar fights and even has to be tazed by the police, gets kicked out of the team, fathers a bunch of illegitimate kids.......He is not a head case at all.

T'eo is voted Team Captain by his teammates, never gets into any trouble, falls for an internet prank......He is a head case.

There is just something very wrong with your value system, Brad. I hate to accuse someone of being homophobic, but I honestly can't see any other explanation.

[crazyjdawg]

Originally Posted by ishouldbegm

he will not be taken in the first round by anybody besides when is the last time notre dame produced a good nfl player

Tom Zbikowski, Justin Tuck, Golden Tate, Harrison Smith, Kyle Rudolph, Trevor Robinson, Ryan Grant, Michael Floyd, Anthony Fasano and John Carlson are all significant Notre Dame graduates in the last 5 or so years (Tuck was 2005).

That's more than a lot of colleges and I don't think college should be taken into account in this scenario.

I understand people’s fear of Te’o. He is kind of like a Maualuga clone. He is a big, downhill LB who is great at stopping the run but has stiff hips in pass coverage.
But people’s opinion of Te’o on this message board is based entirely on the extremely negative experience with Maualuga. Not only is Te’o more instinctive, but he’s a better tackler and reads plays better.

He may lack sideline to sideline speed, but plenty of LBs in the NFL lack that. Arguably the greatest MLB of all time, Ray Lewis did not make his living running side by side with Tight ends. He made it by standing between the hashmarks, watching the QB’s eyes and ***** slapping anyone that came near him with a ball in their hands.

That is what I see when I watch Te’o. What the Bengals did with Maualuga, putting him in man to man coverage in the playoff game, was a terrible idea. Maualuga doesn’t have the ability to do that and Te’o probably won’t excel at that either. But that is just one limitation. Te’o is a better run stopper, he is a better tackler and is WAY more instinctive than Maualuga. Te’o can actually read QB’s eyes and can feel crossing patterns behind him. How do you think he was 2nd in the nation in interceptions? Luck?

The kid has talent. And if we pass on him because of Maualuga, we’d be making a huge mistake. They are similar in some ways but VERY different in a lot of other ways as well.

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by Hammerstripes

6'7" LB? I don't see that working out very well.

Ted Hendricks
Greg Ellis
Alfred Williams

[Carolinabengalfanguy]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

This doesn't explain anything. All it does is re-enforce my position that you have a screwed up set of values.

Burfict punches his teammates, smokes pot, blows the biggest job interviews of his life at both the combine and his pro day, and doesn't even get to play in the biggest game of his college career because he was suspended...............He is not a head case at all.

Jenkins smokes pot, gets arrested twice for bar fights and even has to be tazed by the police, gets kicked out of the team, fathers a bunch of illegitimate kids.......He is not a head case at all.

T'eo is voted Team Captain by his teammates, never gets into any trouble, falls for an internet prank......He is a head case.

There is just something very wrong with your value system, Brad. I hate to accuse someone of being homophobic, but I honestly can't see any other explanation.

He falls for an internet prank than he's an idiot I'm okay, but in all honesty

I really do believe that he was in on it. He knew the guy, they were at games together, I honestly believe that it was a big scheme (extraordinarily stupid and dim-witted) to gain fame. Still though I'd probably take Te'o at 21 (pending who was there he wouldn't be my top option) despite my belief that he was in on it.

Another bit of evidence for me was him getting really nervous and scared the entire month of December leading up to the National Championship game because he was about to be caught, which led to his dud in the NC.

ESPN was the network that kept talking about the death of his girlfriend without apparently doing any research whatsoever (after reading the information I feel that any idiot that tried to dig whatsoever would have discovered it was all a lie) and now they are doing everything they possibly can to make him a victim.

I could be completely wrong, but that's what I think.