Other than QB, is anyone OFF the table at 21?

[McC]

1--Other than QB, any position you hope not to see taken in the first?

2--Other than QB, any position you think the war room would have off the table?

3--If you feel QB is on the table, go ahead and say it and who, thus setting off another AD debate.

4--Name a player who might be a possibility you would hate to see picked.

This is for the first round only.

I guess the point is that I believe there will not necessarily be one each of WR, RB, S, LB taken. Marvin(or whoever) took a CB he never really planned to play, 2 WR's and 2 DT's last year, barely played the one and didn't even activate the other.

Just mentioning the possibility that we might not check off every position on our wish list and we might load up on one or more of them.

Taking care of two of those holes would make a dramatic difference. I'm just not convinced they'll all be filled but we'll still be a much better team. Every team has holes. If you only have one or two, you got probably got a shot at a SB run.

[berserkerone88]

IF Andre is re-signed, OT is probably off the table.
I would say outside of that, anything could be game.

[Speedy Thomas 17]

Peko, Geno, Sims, Still, Thompson.

I would be very surprised with a DT at 21.

[RIPChrisHenry]

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[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Speedy Thomas 17

Peko, Geno, Sims, Still, Thompson.

I would be very surprised with a DT at 21.

If for some reason Star falls he could easily be the pick. Same with Sheldon Richardson.
Maybe even Hankins. Could just be a value pick. Which, with 3 picks in the first two rounds is a possibility.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

If for some reason Star falls he could easily be the pick. Same with Sheldon Richardson.
Maybe even Hankins. Could just be a value pick. Which, with 3 picks in the first two rounds is a possibility.

If he does drop, all he would do is replace Sims, then we would have a guy sitting again.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Truck_1_0_1_

If he does drop, all he would do is replace Sims, then we would have a guy sitting again.

No he wouldn't.
He would start.
Sims is a rotational guy and Peko is a marginal starter.
He would start. Easily.

[McC]

Originally Posted by Speedy Thomas 17

Peko, Geno, Sims, Still, Thompson.

I would be very surprised with a DT at 21.

Me too. There are some that look pretty good in the draft too.

[Speedy Thomas 17]

Yeah, if they could get a significant upgrade, maybe. But DT is our deepest position. Anytime your 2nd & 3rd round picks aren't active for most of the season, you have to think that position is pretty well set.

A first round DT would do the least to help the 2013 team.

[McC]

Originally Posted by Speedy Thomas 17

Yeah, if they could get a significant upgrade, maybe. But DT is our deepest position. Anytime your 2nd & 3rd round picks aren't active for most of the season, you have to think that position is pretty well set.

A first round DT would do the least to help the 2013 team.

No doubt. That might be one time where you take the second highest player on the board.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Speedy Thomas 17

Yeah, if they could get a significant upgrade, maybe. But DT is our deepest position. Anytime your 2nd & 3rd round picks aren't active for most of the season, you have to think that position is pretty well set.

A first round DT would do the least to help the 2013 team.

Originally Posted by McC

No doubt. That might be one time where you take the second highest player on the board.

Disagree.
Our defense needs a 2nd impact lineman.
Someone who can succeed outside of the presence of Geno. I'm not convinced we have that yet. Could it be a DE? Could it be a DT? I do not know.

But we do need someone who can either draw a double team or beat a one on one block consistently enough so they rethink doubling and even tripling Geno.

we have 2 guys at NT who are nothing more than solid at best. Peko plays in spurts.

[McC]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Disagree.
Our defense needs a 2nd impact lineman.
Someone who can succeed outside of the presence of Geno. I'm not convinced we have that yet. Could it be a DE? Could it be a DT? I do not know.

But we do need someone who can either draw a double team or beat a one on one block consistently enough so they rethink doubling and even tripling Geno.

we have 2 guys at NT who are nothing more than solid at best. Peko plays in spurts.

Good point. Can Still or Thompson be that guy? Still didn't look too bad to me when he played. DT's can take a year or two to really show.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by McC

Good point. Can Still or Thompson be that guy? Still didn't look too bad to me when he played. DT's can take a year or two to really show.

I agree with that. But I view Still as a UT to back up Geno.
I would look at the various NT.
Sims is what he is. Peko runs anywhere from "Dear god how is he on a professional team" to "Where the hell has this guy been?!?" They are pretty much known quantities.

Is Thompson going to be more than was Sims is? A back up NT who can take a few plays from the starter.

IDK. I have my doubts. I would hate to pass on a top tier DT who falls for it though.
Same way I would hate to pass on a top WR if it is the BPA for Jones and Sanu.

[Speedy Thomas 17]

We have enormous needs at safety and LB. While I normally am a believer in best player available, if we draft a NT, we have to cut a good player -- Sims or Thompson. That problem would not occur were we to take a S or LB. Or, for that matter, a WR or RB.

What we are talking about is short term vs. long term. If you can get Star at 21, of course you do it. But that's what would really surprise me about taking a DT -- that a DT we can't pass up would be available at 21. Everybody wants DT's and not everybody is as blessed at that position as we are.

[crazyjdawg]

I think DT is off the table.

We just used a 2nd and 3rd last year and have Atkins, Peko and Sims.

I can't see us drafting a DT at all, let alone in the first round. Unless Star falls or something haha.

I also think TE is off the table because of Gresham and Charles being talented. That and the fact that we have such bigger needs and there not being any clear cut #1 TE in this draft.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Speedy Thomas 17

We have enormous needs at safety and LB. While I normally am a believer in best player available, if we draft a NT, we have to cut a good player -- Sims or Thompson. That problem would not occur were we to take a S or LB. Or, for that matter, a WR or RB.

What we are talking about is short term vs. long term. If you can get Star at 21, of course you do it. But that's what would really surprise me about taking a DT -- that a DT we can't pass up would be available at 21. Everybody wants DT's and not everybody is as blessed at that position as we are.

We have stark differences in definitions of "good" player. Sims is a rotational backup. Thompson is a 3rd rounder who didn't dress for most games.

If we draft a LB or S, I am fine for that. But I don't want to reach for a guy we could get at 37 just based on position. We have drafted for value and need the last 3-4 years and it has been a huge success. I see no reason to stop.

Im not saying we SHOULD take a DT, but if one of the top guys slides, I see zero reason to not take them.

Same thing with OT. If for some reason Joeckel or Fisher fell, I would zero problem taking them even if we re-sign Andre.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by crazyjdawg

I think DT is off the table.

We just used a 2nd and 3rd last year and have Atkins, Peko and Sims.

I can't see us drafting a DT at all, let alone in the first round. Unless Star falls or something haha.

I also think TE is off the table because of Gresham and Charles being talented. That and the fact that we have such bigger needs and there not being any clear cut #1 TE in this draft.

I think Still doesn't factor in since he is a UT

[Speedy Thomas 17]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

We have stark differences in definitions of "good" player. Sims is a rotational backup. Thompson is a 3rd rounder who didn't dress for most games.

If we draft a LB or S, I am fine for that. But I don't want to reach for a guy we could get at 37 just based on position. We have drafted for value and need the last 3-4 years and it has been a huge success. I see no reason to stop.

Im not saying we SHOULD take a DT, but if one of the top guys slides, I see zero reason to not take them.

Same thing with OT. If for some reason Joeckel or Fisher fell, I would zero problem taking them even if we re-sign Andre.

I'm pretty sure we did a lot better vs. the run over the last two years when Sims was active.

Thompson was a 3rd rounder who wasn't active because Sims was so effective.

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[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Speedy Thomas 17

I'm pretty sure we did a lot better vs. the run over the last two years when Sims was active.

Thompson was a 3rd rounder who wasn't active because Sims was so effective.

Has less to do with that and more to do with having a back up NT active.
When Still or Hayden were active we ran with only one NT. Peko.
When you have one NT on roster your run defense struggles. Peko played more snaps got more worn down. We would run 2 UT types on the field and that hurts your run D.

[Shady]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

No he wouldn't.
He would start.
Sims is a rotational guy and Peko is a marginal starter.
He would start. Easily.

Berserker? Have you forgotten who our HC is?

Deserve to start? yeah - duh
Would really start? GOL



Giggling online.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Shady

Berserker? Have you forgotten who our HC is?

Deserve to start? yeah - duh
Would really start? GOL



Giggling online.

That is a pure myth.
When a rookie truly deserves to start he does.

[Bull Durham]

Originally Posted by crazyjdawg

I think DT is off the table.

We just used a 2nd and 3rd last year and have Atkins, Peko and Sims.

I can't see us drafting a DT at all, let alone in the first round. Unless Star falls or something haha.

I also think TE is off the table because of Gresham and Charles being talented. That and the fact that we have such bigger needs and there not being any clear cut #1 TE in this draft.

Sims is a free agent and will likely be gone. If a top DT is available, it's a definite possibility. No way would be organization not have the option on the table.

[wolfkaosaun]

If Star falls, take him in a heart beat. Other than that, no DT.

Or kicker. Or punter. Or FB

[Natikid873]

If Andre stays, no OT
If MJ stays, no DE
No TE
No C
No DT

That's about it other than QB which has been established.