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View Poll Results: Which player has the most impact at #21
Alec Ogletree 17 20.00%
Manti T'eo 3 3.53%
Giovani Bernard 4 4.71%
Kenny Vaccaro 50 58.82%
Other 11 12.94%
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:35 AM
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Which of these players has the most impact at pick #21. I've seen them all mocked to us in different mock drafts.
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This is posed very poorly as Vicarro and Ogletree very likely will be gone by 21 and Bernard should not be in consideration at 21 which leaves the sole player that you have already admitted to wanting with the selection.

What about guys like Cooper, Rhodes, Okafor, etc?
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I went Vaccaro, he fills a big ? mark in the back end.
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I went Vaccaro, he fills a big ? mark in the back end.
I second that. (Will I ever be mature enough not to snicker at a phrase like "back end?" People who know me would unanimously say no. Bevis and Butthead Syndrome, I guess).

Yes. Let's get our S once and for all. If he's there and worth the pick, which a lot of people think he is, make the damn pick.
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This is posed very poorly as Vicarro and Ogletree very likely will be gone by 21 and Bernard should not be in consideration at 21 which leaves the sole player that you have already admitted to wanting with the selection.

What about guys like Cooper, Rhodes, Okafor, etc?
So I assume you voted "other"
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So I assume you voted "other"
Yes I did as given the present scenario it appears to be the most logical. Is there a reason you were wondering? Does my post not make sense to you? It seems you make a habit of picking them out no matter what.
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This is posed very poorly as Vicarro and Ogletree very likely will be gone by 21 and Bernard should not be in consideration at 21 which leaves the sole player that you have already admitted to wanting with the selection.

What about guys like Cooper, Rhodes, Okafor, etc?
They would fall under the category "other". I've seen all these players to the Bengals in Mock drafts and everyone knows the landscape will change after the combine and FA. Why are you so mean spirited?
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They would fall under the category "other". I've seen all these players to the Bengals in Mock drafts and everyone knows the landscape will change after the combine and FA. Why are you so mean spirited?
What in the world are you talking about? There is nothing within my reply that was spirited one way or another. I offered what I saw as an unlikely scenario that could possibly be weighted for a certain outcome. Nothing more to it then that.

Wow ....
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I picked other. I want a playmaker/ game changer and a leader at 21, so I would take Elam.
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I picked other. I want a playmaker/ game changer and a leader at 21, so I would take Elam.
Same here, only I'd take Patterson or Rhodes, unless Arthur Brown makes it to 21. I'd predict that we take Vaccaro if he's there, but I'd rather get someone as good if not better in the 2nd or 3rd.

Bernard isn't a 1st Round pick. The only back who would be is Lattimore, but with his injury I hope we can get him in the 3rd.

Not a fan of Teo at all. Burfict will be our Mike. We need to find a competent SAM (Keith Pough in the 4th or 5th?) and WILL (Greene in the 2nd?).
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let's see
teo *****
bernard is not worth a 1st nor is any rb this year
olgetree won't be there and is kind of overrated anyway
vaccaro won't be there and i would rather have reid in the 2nd anyway
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let's see
teo *****
bernard is not worth a 1st nor is any rb this year
olgetree won't be there and is kind of overrated anyway
vaccaro won't be there and i would rather have reid in the 2nd anyway
Agree on Bernard, I just don't know about Teo.

With Olgetree an Vaccaro I think we just don't know. No way did I think Decastro and Rieff would be there last year. It's hard to evaluate a guy like Olgetree because of all the talent he played with. I don't think there is any doubt that he has athletic ability, and we could yes. I've have read a few places were his smart are being questioned and the off the field stuff.
NFL teams will need to keep things simple for Georgia LB Alec Ogletree, according to one anonymous scout.

"Ogletree moves like a defensive back playing linebacker," the scout said. "He’s fast, quick and athletic — he moves like a gazelle. He has run into some trouble off the field and is going to need things kept simple, but I would like to have him." Ogletree might fit as an inside linebacker in a 3-4, but likely projects to a weakside role behind a four man front.
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IDK it's going to be an interesting draft.
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"With the twenty first pick in the two thousand thirteen NFL draft the Cincinnati Bengals select.......... Jordan Poyer corner back Oregon State"
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"With the twenty first pick in the two thousand thirteen NFL draft the Cincinnati Bengals select.......... Jordan Poyer corner back Oregon State"
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It seems you make a habit of picking them out no matter what.
Don't flatter yourself.
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Listen, under these conditions, all the player options ARE AVAILABLE. Lets get that straight. Don't make up your own guesstimations and claim someone will be gone. Play along.

I went with Vaccaro simply because he looms like the prototypical safety we need across from Reggie. If not Vaccaro, Ogletree or Patterson or trade down and get Elam.
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The biggest impact wod be by one of the several outstanding WRs who will be available.

No defensive player we take at that point will have a big impact.
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Don't flatter yourself.
Case and point. You were merely trying to start something as usual. I asked if you had a point to the question but apparently you didn't.
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I went with "other". Your question and poll are 2 slightly different questions. Most Impact and Who helps us the most are slightly different.

Guys like Olgetree and Vaccaro if they live up to the hype would both help us and provide that "impact" that you are talking about. Though if they just play well they could still help us but not have an impact. There is also a consideration that they actually hurt the team. It is possible even if not very likely that Ogletree's penchant for freelancing provides more negative plays than positive ones and he doesn't break the freelancing habit. Causing a top 10 defense to fall. Vaccaro being a DB would need time to reach his potential so that would hinder the "impact" status, he may be a lot like Thomas and Huff, while good never being that "great" player. Thomas is starting to look great but that is more of having better pieces around him.

I have said in many threads that for that first pick we should select OLine, it isn't impossible for Warmack to be there, if not Warmack possibly B. Jones, my dream scenario is to get both Warmack and Jones back to back. Another possibility is to trade back, and we just might be able to do that.

OLinemen have a higher chance to help us than Ogletree or Vaccaro even though their impact isn't seen as much. However keeping the QB clean and opening holes for the RBs would be very "impactful", though the RB and QB get more credit.
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I said other, because I'd like to get Minter at ILB if we can even though it's not likely. I think we can get Elam in the second round and a RB in the third. Then I would focus on Oline and offensive weapons/BPA.

I think that with the talent in this draft we can and should pick for need early. Defensive linemen seem to be stacking most of the first round with a QB and WR here and there. Yeah, the top CB and S might be taken, but otherwise I think we can get a pretty good LB and S early on.

I know we have Maybin and Joiner with the team now, but they're gonna need some work and the more options we have at LB, the better off we are at putting the best talent on the field. I think that a lot of people would agree that MLB and S were our two weakest points on defense. By improving those, retaining our D line, and developing our young CBs we should put a top 3 defense on the field. We were quite formidable last year even with these holes. Put those pieces in place and then we can devote the rest of the draft to offense and BPA.
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Case and point. You were merely trying to start something as usual. I asked if you had a point to the question but apparently you didn't.
This dude made the point.


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Listen, under these conditions, all the player options ARE AVAILABLE. Lets get that straight. Don't make up your own guesstimations and claim someone will be gone. Play along.
All you did was come in here and complain about the OP. Coulda just came in a selected other and state who you think would make the biggest impact. Didn't need to come in and state "Posed very poorly".

As to the OP; I went with Ogletree.
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No on T'eo even though I hear is girlfriend is super hot.

Bernard I like a lot, but feel he will be available in 2nd round.

Vaccaro may fall to us and would be ok with it with pick if so. It certainly is a need.

But would take Ogletree out of 4 listed would be my pick if he actually did fall this far.

Suspect he will not, but if so will be happy, happy, happy.
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J Cooper, the best pulling gaurd or center in the draft.

Keep in mind we now play 6 games in the AFC north against the 3-4 and having somebody that gets to the next level to block and that can move laterally to pick up all the exoctic blitz's has to be a Priority.

not to mention that Texas team we will see in the playoffs next year with their 2 best rush linebackers back.


The best safety and linebacker 's are the ones on the bench watching our team get a measley first down to run out the clock, just a thought no more 2 minute drills for the oposition.

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This is posed very poorly as Vicarro and Ogletree very likely will be gone by 21 and Bernard should not be in consideration at 21 which leaves the sole player that you have already admitted to wanting with the selection.

What about guys like Cooper, Rhodes, Okafor, etc?
Agree with this. There needs to be more players projected around the pick. Okafor, Rhodes, Patterson are just a few around there. Vacarro probably SHOULD go around where we pick, but someone will always tend to reach for the top player at a position, and that will likely be Vacarro. Also likely that Lacy or Bernard (most likely Lacy) goes in the late first rather than early second round.

I also don't see a MIKE or WILL LB as much of a need as SAM, in which case there really is no LB that fits SAM well that is projected as a late first. WILL becomes more of a need though if we don't re-sign Howard. It may be best to try and find a good LB that could play both WILL and SAM. As much as some people think there is no difference in skill set, that is wrong. They have different roles and thus need to have varied skill sets.

Although I guess we could select Other and that could constitute any of those. But seeing as Vacarro is on the list and probably will go higher than that, I'll choose Vacarro.

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I'm going to keep this simple...

Vaccarro if we sign a starting LB in FA.
Te'o if we sign a starting S in FA.
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