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Old 02-11-2013, 03:29 PM
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Is he worth $4 million? I think we'll resign Pacman, and if Ghee is healthy i don't see why we need Allen.
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Old 02-11-2013, 04:01 PM
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Jason Allen came Out of Tennessee as one of the most athletic safeties in a Long time. He runs a four three fourty is a sure tackler and has above average coverage ability and instincts.moving to safety might be the only Way Allen sticks on This roster, it's my opinion That Brandon ghee will Show and prove This year at corner costing Terrance Newman his roster spot, so Jason Allen either moves to safety or the free agent market
your assuming Jason allen can play...

his highlight of 2012 was a penalty that negated a huge return for A Jones....


Its time to find a new saftey JA is not a SS type and we have Nelson.
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Consider me for it. We have a glut of corners whereas were obviously weak in the backend. I'd consider it more of a stop gap and almost an excuse just to keep Allen around. However, if we sign Goldson or draft Vaccaro i dont see much use for him here.
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He would also save about 3.7 mil of cap space if they cut him.

Then they could sign a REAL safety.
Why would we want a REAL safety when we can just draft a CB and convert him. Heck, let's draft a LB and convert him. The conversions are endless! We could draft a women, convert her to a man, then convert him to a safety!
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OP spelled Tony Dye wrong.
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That is an idea, for sure. But, the real question is.....can he stay healthy and crack the starting lineup.

As I remember from last season, even after healthy, he couldn't beat out any of the actives.
How about we get him to dress for a game, and then maybe he can start lol. I'm not sure if he even knows if his Bengal jersey fits.
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what exactly was the injury that kept him inactive for most of the season?
I think it was hamstring at first.. then a thigh injury.. then maybe a hamstring again? I don't know about the order, but I know there was both a thigh injury, and a hamstring injury. AKA: Two of the weakest injuries to not play with. (Followed closely by migranes... I'm looking at you Moch.)
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:25 PM
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I can see Your point makes sense to cut our ties, but it's a piece of me That would like him to succeed Here, especially since he got free money from us lastyear
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Seems I recall part of him leaving the texans(?) was because he wanted to play cb, not safety which was where his last team was playing him.
Cowboys. And yes, I remember hearing something among the same lines
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Just cut him and get a real SS to play the position. We need some young talant back there not someone that we dont know if he will be there from week to week!
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Based on last year's performance, he should be cut immediately.

Even if he was decent, we are too old at Safety and even more importantly, not very good at the position. I would be happy if we took 1 in the 1st, ok with 1 in the second, and ticked about anything else.
I am with you pick the best SS on the board in the 1st best RB with our 2nd pick!!
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Why would we want a REAL safety when we can just draft a CB and convert him. Heck, let's draft a LB and convert him. The conversions are endless! We could draft a women, convert her to a man, then convert him to a safety!
1. Players change postion all the time. Stop acting like it is a stupid idea.

2. Allen was one of the best safeties in the country in college. He is the Only Defensive back to lead the SEC in tackles since tackles became an official statistic.


I was a huge fan of Allen when we signed him last year. He is one fo the most physically gifted athletes in the NFL, and no CB in the league had more interceptiosn than Allen's 8 over the previous two seasons ('10-'11). However last year was a complete mystery. He was injured. Then he was better. Then he was injured again. He only appeared for a handful of plays, yet he never got placed on the IR either. So now I don't know what to think. He could bust out and play great for us next year, or he may never play in the NFL again. I would not be surprised either way.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:06 PM
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Consider me for it. We have a glut of corners whereas were obviously weak in the backend. I'd consider it more of a stop gap and almost an excuse just to keep Allen around. However, if we sign Goldson or draft Vaccaro i dont see much use for him here.
Signing golston wouldn't be something I would recommend, I would much rather draft elam, searinger,or varcarro, or Play Jason Allen there
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Jason Allen came Out of Tennessee as one of the most athletic safeties in a Long time. He runs a four three fourty is a sure tackler and has above average coverage ability and instincts.moving to safety might be the only Way Allen sticks on This roster, it's my opinion That Brandon ghee will Show and prove This year at corner costing Terrance Newman his roster spot, so Jason Allen either moves to safety or the free agent market
Who is James Allen or Antonio Bryant?
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Jason Allen came Out of Tennessee as one of the most athletic safeties in a Long time. He runs a four three fourty is a sure tackler and has above average coverage ability and instincts.moving to safety might be the only Way Allen sticks on This roster, it's my opinion That Brandon ghee will Show and prove This year at corner costing Terrance Newman his roster spot, so Jason Allen either moves to safety or the free agent market
I believe that was a beef of Allen's in Houston. He does not want to play safety and I am pretty sure that Zimmer told him in coming here that he would not bounce back and forth and could concentrate on the CB position.

I could be wrong but I think that is what was stated when we signed him.
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Just cut him and get a real SS to play the position. We need some young talant back there not someone that we dont know if he will be there from week to week!
Marvin and Zimmer do not differentiate between FS and SS. They like guys that can cover and support the run and that can play either position.
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Cowboys. And yes, I remember hearing something among the same lines
It was the Texans.
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Jason Allen came Out of Tennessee as one of the most athletic safeties in a Long time. He runs a four three fourty is a sure tackler and has above average coverage ability and instincts.moving to safety might be the only Way Allen sticks on This roster, it's my opinion That Brandon ghee will Show and prove This year at corner costing Terrance Newman his roster spot, so Jason Allen either moves to safety or the free agent market
Who is this Jason Allen character you speak of? Never heard of him.
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Yeah but if ghee and prater stick only way to keep Allen is at. Safety
Then don't keep him. Didn't do squat on special teams. They are going to need to develop Dye and Iloka, as well as get a veteran in FA. This is my number one priority after signing MJ, Andre, and extending Geno.

Frankly, I'm shocked more folks aren't on board with a veteran safety as such a key need after watching the defense look dreadful without their B- safety on the field (Crocker). That, along with MLB, is the only real hole on the defense. With Burfict likely moving to MIKE, I think a veteran S like Goldson would give the Bengals a potentially #1 defense in the NFL.

Spend the majority of your draft on offense: RB, WR, TE, and G/C(Warmack, please?) and then draft some speed and depth at DE/LB and the team will have depth and talent at all spots.

I really don't want to hope a S from the draft "pans out". Team is too close to guess.
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Dontay Moch could save us a pick at LBer too...if he could play. The point is neither of those guys are reliable. Anything you get is gravy at this point. You have to plan like they are non-factors.
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Marvin and Zimmer do not differentiate between FS and SS. They like guys that can cover and support the run and that can play either position.
And Jason Allen is not the guy for any of that.
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Frankly, I'm shocked more folks aren't on board with a veteran safety as such a key need after watching the defense look dreadful without their B- safety on the field (Crocker). That, along with MLB, is the only real hole on the defense. With Burfict likely moving to MIKE, I think a veteran S like Goldson would give the Bengals a potentially #1 defense in the NFL.
Actually I think there is a good chance we sign a top (not THE top) free agent safety mainly because safety is one of the cheaper positions in free agency. Same with LBs for a 3-4 scheme. The only LBs that make really big money are 3-4 OLBs.

So I look for us to try and use free agency for a LB or Safety and them address our other needs in the draft.
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Actually I think there is a good chance we sign a top (not THE top) free agent safety mainly because safety is one of the cheaper positions in free agency. Same with LBs for a 3-4 scheme. The only LBs that make really big money are 3-4 OLBs.

So I look for us to try and use free agency for a LB or Safety and them address our other needs in the draft.
I agree with this. We could probably compile a list too.
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