People put the Qb to high on the Totem pole

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Nately120

Forgive me for expecting a bit more out of Dalton.

And what did you expect out of him?

Where exactly has he failed you?

[bishopbengals]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

Flacco has won at least 1 playoff game in each of his 1st 5 years.

I like Dalton...but about 15-20 qbs are better than him. We need a WR2 badly!

Percy Harvin anyone?

Flacco didn't win ****. The Ravens won playoff games, Flacco had 1 touchdown in 5 games. How would he have won anything?

[Toast Jones]

One day a lot of people are going to look back and think "Why did I defend Andy Dalton so much? He wasn't that good."

Now, I don't think he's bad. He's just kinda "meh" or "blah". Pick your word. If you wanna have Chad Pennington as your QB for the next 10 years then more power to you. He's not going anywhere (and he shouldn't...yet) so it is what is. You can win without having a great QB. I just hope we get him some more talent, because a player of his caliber needs weapons to take that next step.

PS I think the OP meant pedestal, not totem pole. At least I think. Either way, it made me laugh.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by JungleJuice

People like you use the term elite to the point that it is not what it should represent.

ANYONE can get hot.

The term ELITE should be reserved for the guys that are ALWAYS just that.... elite.
Not 1 or 2 hot seasons or a crucial playoff run...... how about a career of exceptional performance.

Manning and Brady are the only QBs playing right now that I would deem elite.
With Manning its the talent and Brady the drive leadership and will to win.
And both of those guys have their weaknesses also.

Exactly. Flacco and Eli are not elite, sorry. They're just proof that any solid QB can go on a run.

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Toast Jones

One day a lot of people are going to look back and think "Why did I defend Andy Dalton so much? He wasn't that good."

Would you mind if I bookmark this page and this comment in particular so that if you're right, I can bring this up and be like 'good call', but if you're wrong I can slap you with it until your in a coma?

[bishopbengals]

Originally Posted by Toast Jones

One day a lot of people are going to look back and think "Why did I defend Andy Dalton so much? He wasn't that good."

Now, I don't think he's bad. He's just kinda "meh" or "blah". Pick your word. If you wanna have Chad Pennington as your QB for the next 10 years then more power to you. He's not going anywhere (and he shouldn't...yet) so it is what is. You can win with not having a great QB. I just hope we get him some more talent, because a player of his caliber needs weapons to take that next step.

PS I think the OP meant pedestal, not totem pole. At least I think. Either way, it made me laugh.

Okay, here's the thing. It's okay to criticize Dalton to an extent, but to give up on him already is completely insane. It seems a lot on this board have already given up on him. Give him talent before you give up on him. One wide receiver alone can't cut it.

[Toast Jones]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

Would you mind if I bookmark this page and this comment in particular so that if you're right, I can bring this up and be like 'good call', but if you're wrong I can slap you with it until your in a coma?

Ok?

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Toast Jones

Ok?

Psst...it was a joke.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by bishopbengals

Flacco didn't win ****. The Ravens won playoff games, Flacco had 1 touchdown in 5 games. How would he have won anything?

The same could be said of Dalton. People could say he's a product of AJ Green and the defense.

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

The same could be said of Dalton. People could say he's a product of AJ Green and the defense.

You could; except that he's statistically better than Flacco in their first 2 years working with less offensively. Then you look at the last 2 years and Dalton has thrown more TD's than Flacco working with, as I said, a lot less weaponry.

[bishopbengals]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

The same could be said of Dalton. People could say he's a product of AJ Green and the defense.

This is true, but people forget that the NFL at one point actually allowed their quarterbacks to develop before throwing them to the fire. Especially when said quarterback was neither a top pick nor a first rounder. I would expect Andy would need some help outside of AJ with how poor the rest of his offense is. Just as Flacco didn't have very many weapons in his first few years. Even despite all of this, Andy still has outperformed Flacco's first 2 years.

[Toast Jones]

Originally Posted by bishopbengals

Flacco didn't win ****. The Ravens won playoff games, Flacco had 1 touchdown in 5 games. How would he have won anything?

Um, what?

First of all, there's only 4 postseason games. 2nd, by 1 you actually mean 11, right?

I'm not a big Flacco fan, but the guy had one of the best postseason's of recent memory. He had 3 TD's in 3 straight games, and didn't have a single pick the entire postseason. He averaged just shy of 300 yards a game. He posted a 117 QB rating. And that's obviously including matchups against the Niners and Broncos defenses.

What do you mean he didn't win anything? If he didn't win anything, then no QB has ever. They're all team wins I guess. Montana never won Superbowl, who knew? Elway? Nada. Aikman. Didn't win squat.

[Nately120]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

And what did you expect out of him?

Where exactly has he failed you?

More than -6 yards passing in the first half of the Texans game. More than 0 TDs for his 4 playoff INTS. Come on, am I really nuts to expect more than this? If so then just call me crazy.

[bishopbengals]

Originally Posted by Toast Jones

Um, what?

First of all, there's only 4 postseason games. 2nd, by 1 you actually mean 11, right?

I'm not a big Flacco fan, but the guy had one of the best postseason's of recent memory. He had 3 TD's in 3 straight games, and didn't have a single pick the entire postseason. He averaged just shy of 300 yards a game. He posted a 117 QB rating. And that's obviously including matchups against the Niners and Broncos defenses.

What do you mean he didn't win anything? If he didn't win anything, then no QB has ever. They're all team wins I guess. Montana never won Superbowl, who knew? Elway? Nada. Aikman. Didn't win squat.

Woah buddy. I am talking about his first 5 playoff games EVER. Not this year.

[bishopbengals]

Originally Posted by Nately120

More than -6 yards passing in the first half of the Texans game. More than 0 TDs for his 4 playoff INTS. Come on, am I really nuts to expect more than this? If so then just call me crazy.

That is valid, but still not worthy of giving up on the man. The Playoff atmosphere has gotten to him, obviously. Not to mention the pressure of playing near his hometown. Hopefully he won't be in Houston next time,

[Toast Jones]

Originally Posted by bishopbengals

Woah buddy. I am talking about his first 5 playoff games EVER. Not this year.

Yeah, well he won some of those too. Just look at his postseason record.

[Nately120]

Originally Posted by bishopbengals

That is valid, but still not worthy of giving up on the man. The Playoff atmosphere has gotten to him, obviously. Not to mention the pressure of playing near his hometown. Hopefully he won't be in Houston next time,

I never said to give up on Dalton. Plus, it's the fact that we only have a single coach I'd call competent that kills us in the playoffs, mostly.

[bishopbengals]

Originally Posted by Toast Jones

Yeah, well he won some of those too. Just look at his postseason record.

The Ravens won despite him, he put only 1 touchdown on the board in 5 games. You honestly can't give those wins to him. Yes his team won, but they could have won without him basically.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by bishopbengals

Okay, here's the thing. It's okay to criticize Dalton to an extent, but to give up on him already is completely insane. It seems a lot on this board have already given up on him. Give him talent before you give up on him. One wide receiver alone can't cut it.

Originally Posted by Toast Jones

Yeah, well he won some of those too. Just look at his postseason record.

C'mon Toast...how did Flacco win those games? Was it his one TD? Or his 7 picks?

Maybe it was the 132 average yards he put up?

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Nately120

More than -6 yards passing in the first half of the Texans game. More than 0 TDs for his 4 playoff INTS. Come on, am I really nuts to expect more than this? If so then just call me crazy.

Lack luster blocking and a half-******** game plan that ignored your #1 weapon and your running game that was averaging well over 5 YPC.

Yeah, totally on Dalton there.

[Nately120]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

Lack luster blocking and a half-******** game plan that ignored your #1 weapon and your running game that was averaging well over 5 YPC.

Yeah, totally on Dalton there.

Never said it was totally on Dalton. I know we have a lousy offense, I know we have idiot coaches...that being said, I still expected something more from Dalton.

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Nately120

Never said it was totally on Dalton. I know we have a lousy offense, I know we have idiot coaches...that being said, I still expected something more from Dalton.

Very few QB's could do what he did with what he had, and even fewer could do more.

I guess I just don't get it; quarterbacks don't come in and be 2007's Tom Brady. To expect it (or something near it) seems so insanely illogical...

[Go Cards]

Speaking of totem poles.

Believe the bird on the top is what the Seahawks are named after.

[Nately120]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

Very few QB's could do what he did with what he had, and even fewer could do more.

I guess I just don't get it; quarterbacks don't come in and be 2007's Tom Brady. To expect it (or something near it) seems so insanely illogical...

Ok, you really seem intent on attributing every ridiculous "all or nothing" expectation and belief to me so I'll just stop even attempting to discuss this with you.

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Nately120

Ok, you really seem intent on attributing every ridiculous "all or nothing" expectation and belief to me so I'll just stop even attempting to discuss this with you.

You're not leaving a whole lot to work with either since all you're doing is beating around the bush. I get it, you're disappointed with him because...yeah, exactly.