NFL under 25 All-Pro team

[Sideline Tweeting 101]

Geno, AJ, and Big Z each made the list of the NFL under 25 All-Pro team!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...iters_harrison

[basballguy]

Originally Posted by Sideline Tweeting 101

Geno, AJ, and Big Z each made the list of the NFL under 25 All-Pro team!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...iters_harrison

anyone that picks Russell Wilson over RG3 is selecting with personal bias.

[Dalton's_Gang]

how is that? I have nothing agaisnt either QB, but in my opinion Russell played better than RG3 did and stayed healthy. one could say anyone who picks RG3 or Andrew Luck is being biased as well .

[basballguy]

Originally Posted by Dalton's_Gang

how is that? I have nothing agaisnt either QB, but in my opinion Russell played better than RG3 did and stayed healthy. one could say anyone who picks RG3 or Andrew Luck is being biased as well .

I know this is JN but RG3 beats Wilson in virtually every statistic (albeit it's close on some).

[basballguy]

back on topic, glad to see these 3 guys on the list.

[kronadon]

alot of people run around here claiming we get no love from national media. 3 Bengals make Elliot Harrison's article. the gist of the article is

"With that in mind, I began pondering ... Who are the best players in the league? And more crucially, which guys have the most upside (with the caveat being that they are under 25)? Call it the All-Start-Up Team, with the best 25 players under 25 on the board -- 11 on offense, 11 on defense, a kicker, a punter and one extra defender, to account for 4-3 and 3-4 alignments."


the three are Geno Atkins, AJ Green, and Kevin Zeitler.
here are his quotes about each.

Defensive Tackle
Geno Atkins, Cincinnati Bengals
Atkins was a huge factor in Cincy going from 3-5 in November to 10-6 and in the playoffs come January. Atkins led all DTs in sacks with 12.5, recording 34.5 combined hurries and knockdowns.

Wide Receiver
A.J. Green, Cincinnati Bengals
Move over, Andre Johnson -- A.J. Green is the best wideout in the AFC. In two seasons, Green has exploded for 2,407 yards and 18 scores. His supreme athleticism is ever-apparent.

Guard
Kevin Zeitler, Cincinnati Bengals
This is one guy who had a very strong rookie season without much acclaim. You can nitpick, but he was called for just two penalties in 16 starts and can be a mauler.

[MasterElessar]

Nice article. Huber could've easily been picked over the other guy. His stats were absurd this year. Kid's a weapon. A punter who can strike inside the 10 (not just the 20) is the unsung hero of a top 10 defense.

We're close. Just be glad of one thing: we get to keep all these guys! Oh, but what will we complain about then? Lets smash another draft.

[Dalton's_Gang]

Id rather have Russell Wilson on my team than RG3. Atleast with Wilson you wont have to worry about his knee buckling every play like the redskins will have to do with RG3 now. RG3 not even 25 and has had 2 reconstructive knee surgeries? not good IMO. As for your stats, those differences are negligible. differences are so minute it doesnt make much of a difference.

I know a guy who played football and had 2 or more reconstructive knee surgeries before 25 and now being 25 he is having so much pain and health issues with his knees and this is after hes quit football. Just think was RG3 is going to go through now.

[eoxyod]

Originally Posted by basballguy

I know this is JN but RG3 beats Wilson in virtually every statistic (albeit it's close on some).

In terms of everything past base stats, Russel performed better when adding his SoS against pass defenses.

[Go Cards]

Originally Posted by basballguy

I know this is JN but RG3 beats Wilson in virtually every statistic (albeit it's close on some).

RGIII even doubles Russell in fumbles.

But both are pretty sporty QB's in my opinion.

[Jay62107]

Originally Posted by Dalton's_Gang

how is that? I have nothing agaisnt either QB, but in my opinion Russell played better than RG3 did and stayed healthy. one could say anyone who picks RG3 or Andrew Luck is being biased as well .

Russel Wilson also had something that neither RG3 or luck had in a defense that could keep them in games.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by basballguy

anyone that picks Russell Wilson over RG3 is selecting with personal bias.

Ummmm one played a whole season and won a playoff game...

The other couldnt stay on the field

russell wilson will have the better longer carreer than RGIII too..

anyone that picks RGIII is listening to the media too much.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by XenoMorph

Ummmm one played a whole season and won a playoff game...

The other couldnt stay on the field

russell wilson will have the better longer carreer than RGIII too..

anyone that picks RGIII is listening to the media too much.

RG 3 had a 102.4 QB Rating and that doesn't even factor in his 815 rushing yards and 7 TD's. He threw 20 TD's and only 5 Int's.

Wilson wasn't far behind, but clearly RG 3 had a better rookie season.

Plus, Seattle won a playoff game last year too. It's not like he made a 3-13 team better.

[bengal_prideforlife]

Originally Posted by basballguy

I know this is JN but RG3 beats Wilson in virtually every statistic (albeit it's close on some).

Wait, identical stats (though Wilson threw a lot more TD's) and one seems somewhat prone to injury (ok to be fair it's just a knee smh) and you would start your franchise with RG3?!?!


I think you should go apply to be the GM of the Steelers, that'd be a GREAT move for the Bengals.



Stick to baseball.

[bengal_prideforlife]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

RG 3 had a 102.4 QB Rating and that doesn't even factor in his 815 rushing yards and 7 TD's. He threw 20 TD's and only 5 Int's.

Wilson wasn't far behind, but clearly RG 3 had a better rookie season.

Plus, Seattle won a playoff game last year too. It's not like he made a 3-13 team better.

It always strikes me as ridiculous when a players ability is brought into question based on him being on a solid team.



Darn that Tom Brady, he is horrible....

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

RG 3 had a 102.4 QB Rating and that doesn't even factor in his 815 rushing yards and 7 TD's. He threw 20 TD's and only 5 Int's.

Wilson wasn't far behind, but clearly RG 3 had a better rookie season.

Plus, Seattle won a playoff game last year too. It's not like he made a 3-13 team better.

Yeah.... but RGIII might not even play next year. and he is less durable than michael vick.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by basballguy

I know this is JN but RG3 beats Wilson in virtually every statistic (albeit it's close on some).

Yep look at him leading the way in fumbles....

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by bengal_prideforlife

It always strikes me as ridiculous when a players ability is brought into question based on him being on a solid team.



Darn that Tom Brady, he is horrible....

The reason I brought that up was because below my post it was pointed out that Wilson won a playoff game and Griffin didn't.

Wilson inherited a playoff team. Griffin took a bad Redskins team and took them to the playoffs.

It's relevant.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by XenoMorph

Yep look at him leading the way in fumbles....

Wilson actually lost 1 more.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by XenoMorph

Yeah.... but RGIII might not even play next year. and he is less durable than michael vick.

The Pro Wilson side should be he didn't cost the #2 pick in the draft and the potentially longer career thing. He was definately a great value. A better value than RG3 when you factor it all in.

[McC]

Originally Posted by Sideline Tweeting 101

Geno, AJ, and Big Z each made the list of the NFL under 25 All-Pro team!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...iters_harrison

Some really good building blocks for now and for the future. All are obviously deserving.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

The Pro Wilson side should be he didn't cost the #2 pick in the draft and the potentially longer career thing. He was definately a great value. A better value than RG3 when you factor it all in.

Yeah... Dont get me wrong i dont hate RGIII... i dont hate running QBs either.. but for what they gave up for him... (to get to that #2 spot 3 1st round picks)

If they cant play a game plan that keeps him healthy.. He wont last and they will suffer from overspending and poor use.

[McC]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

The Pro Wilson side should be he didn't cost the #2 pick in the draft and the potentially longer career thing. He was definately a great value. A better value than RG3 when you factor it all in.

Plus, you not only have to where RGIII was drafted, you have to add to it the king's ransom the Skins paid to move up. All Seattle had to do was sit there and use a third. I always thought it was obvious how special Wilson is at two different colleges, so much so that the height was a non-factor. Other than height, there were no knocks on him--deadly accurate, cool as a cucumber, very intelligent and a very hard worker.

[Night's Watch]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

The reason I brought that up was because below my post it was pointed out that Wilson won a playoff game and Griffin didn't.

Wilson inherited a playoff team. Griffin took a bad Redskins team and took them to the playoffs.

It's relevant.

This could be argued all day long, lol. Seattle was not a playoff team so neither QB inheritted a playoff team. Cousins did just fine in RGIII asbsence. The fact that the numbers of a 3rd rounder are comparable to a 2nd overall pick in itself kind of show who was the better QB for 2012. And if you start looking for future reasons, then RGIII should be better, but again, injures have to be factored into that as well.

If anything, Luck would be argued the best in a taking over a bad team and drastically improving them. Redskins were 5-11 added Garcon, plus picks...Colts were 2-14, lost Garcon only added picks.

[Steeler Eater]

Originally Posted by basballguy

anyone that picks Russell Wilson over RG3 is selecting with personal bias.

True, but Russell Wilson can also play football next season, I have a bad feeling RGIII is going to miss most of it.