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Hall is far and away our best corner right now, so there's no way in hell I'd move him to safety. Would be a very silly move.

edit: I suggested Kirkpatrick at safety, and got laughed at for it, but it's not as crazy as you think. Malcolm Jenkins of the Saints played corner his first year, then moved to safety his second, and hasn't looked back. Always thought he'd make a good safety. Hard hitting, good instincts, quick to react.
It is as crazy as I think. When Kirkpatrick was drafted, he was 186lbs.. he's listed as 190 now. Either way, injuries aside 190lbs for a safety is just too light for a 6'2" safety. For being 6'2", he needs to put on at least 20lbs in order to be able to become a safety. RBs would just plow straight over the lanky kid on the regular.

Leon Hall isn't going to be moved to safety. The Bengals would have zero good starting CBs then. Adam Jones is good, but only when he's not forced to be a starter. He's a great 3rd CB/returner. Otherwise it seems that he gets a little broken when he's forced to play more. So unless they think a 36 year old Terrence Newman and Mr Glass sounds like a tempting starting cornerback tandem, I doubt it.

Even coming off the serious injury, Hall played at a high level this year.
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Leon Hall is currently on a 5 year 42 million dollar contract.

For that reason alone I would say no. He'd be the highest paid safety in the league.

On top of that, the CB position would be painfully weak without Leon there.

You'd have Dre (who's proven nothing), Newman (35 years old), Allen (total bust), and Ghee? Ouch.
Good point. Of course Hobson's speculation springs from him reasoning that it's not out of the question that the Bengals would draft the more premium position of corner over safety at 21. So in that hypothetical we would have another talented corner other than those mentioned who would presumably be starting but as you mentioned, even Dre has proven nothing so far, let alone this hypothetical first rounder yet to be named.

I have to agree with the consensus here, pre draft smoke.
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I read the article, I saw no mention of Hall to Safety.

I call B.S., sounds like you're promoting the move to me.
It's in there. But it sounds like just Hobson speculating instead of something a coach said.

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Another reason the Bengals may want to draft a corner instead of a safety with that first pick: While Vaccaro sounds like a solid player, he had just five interceptions in 51 career games and has a rep for missing tackles at the point of attack. So if he's not Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu, the Bengals could very well have a Pro Bowl safety sitting there in Hall if they ever decide to move him.


That's more like Hobson speculation. Not exactly a quote from the coaches, as the other guy had suggested...
its not a direct quote from the coaches, but it sounded to me like its been brought up to hobson at some point(im speculating). elsewise why would he even mention moving a near pro bowl corner to safety. its not like it doesnt fit the lewis bengals profile to take a late first round corner and as the draft prospects line up it fits bpa for us. de also lines up well at the point in the draft with bpa for us
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It is as crazy as I think. When Kirkpatrick was drafted, he was 186lbs.. he's listed as 190 now. Either way, injuries aside 190lbs for a safety is just too light for a 6'2" safety. For being 6'2", he needs to put on at least 20lbs in order to be able to become a safety. RBs would just plow straight over the lanky kid on the regular.

Leon Hall isn't going to be moved to safety. The Bengals would have zero good starting CBs then. Adam Jones is good, but only when he's not forced to be a starter. He's a great 3rd CB/returner. Otherwise it seems that he gets a little broken when he's forced to play more. So unless they think a 36 year old Terrence Newman and Mr Glass sounds like a tempting starting cornerback tandem, I doubt it.

Even coming off the serious injury, Hall played at a high level this year.
Hall is the same sort of build as Dre, just shorter. Either one of them are big enough to play FS but not SS. Plus, adding 20 pounds of muscle is not hard for these guys with the nutritionists and strength coaches they have access to.
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I think either Dre or Leon could play FS hypothetically, but not SS. But I agree, it's silly, I just can't see it.
I suppose it's possible. There is ONE starting FS in the NFL with a build similar to Dre's.

Here's a picture of him in college:

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I suppose it's possible. There is ONE starting FS in the NFL with a build similar to Dre's.

Here's a picture of him in college:

LMAO

Ijs tho. There's a difference between free and strong, lankier dudes can handle FS as long as they can cover and are a good tackler, which we know Leon is and Dre appeared to be the same sort in college.
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It is as crazy as I think. When Kirkpatrick was drafted, he was 186lbs.. he's listed as 190 now. Either way, injuries aside 190lbs for a safety is just too light for a 6'2" safety. For being 6'2", he needs to put on at least 20lbs in order to be able to become a safety. RBs would just plow straight over the lanky kid on the regular.

Leon Hall isn't going to be moved to safety. The Bengals would have zero good starting CBs then. Adam Jones is good, but only when he's not forced to be a starter. He's a great 3rd CB/returner. Otherwise it seems that he gets a little broken when he's forced to play more. So unless they think a 36 year old Terrence Newman and Mr Glass sounds like a tempting starting cornerback tandem, I doubt it.

Even coming off the serious injury, Hall played at a high level this year.
Do people around here just go to ESPN.com, look at their weights and determine their future? People CAN gain weight, people CAN change positions. I'm so sick of everyone around here determining EVERYTHING by size. Russell Wilson was too small, Alfred Morris was too slow..... People look way too far into measurables.

Dashon Goldson is 6'2, and plays at 200lbs. Is it crazy to think that Dre can't, under any circumstance, add a measly 10 pounds? Anyways, if Dre sticks at corner, that's fine, but it's NOT crazy to think he can play safety.


edit: Thomas DeCoud, Falcons. 6'2, 192lbs - Free Safety. (76 tackles, 1 sack, 6 interceptions in 2012)

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how about we move mike nugent to safety?
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Do people around here just go to ESPN.com, look at their weights and determine their future? People CAN gain weight, people CAN change positions. I'm so sick of everyone around here determining EVERYTHING by size. Russell Wilson was too small, Alfred Morris was too slow..... People look way too far into measurables.

Dashon Goldson is 6'2, and plays at 200lbs. Is it crazy to think that Dre can't, under any circumstance, add a measly 10 pounds? Anyways, if Dre sticks at corner, that's fine, but it's NOT crazy to think he can play safety.


edit: Thomas DeCoud, Falcons. 6'2, 192lbs - Free Safety. (76 tackles, 1 sack, 6 interceptions in 2012)
Good find. Pretty good numbers too on one of the best scoring defenses in the league.
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Good find. Pretty good numbers too on one of the best scoring defenses in the league.
I found him 1st. he's the dude in the picture.
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Good point. Of course Hobson's speculation springs from him reasoning that it's not out of the question that the Bengals would draft the more premium position of corner over safety at 21. So in that hypothetical we would have another talented corner other than those mentioned who would presumably be starting but as you mentioned, even Dre has proven nothing so far, let alone this hypothetical first rounder yet to be named.

I have to agree with the consensus here, pre draft smoke.
No doubt. Hobs talks out of his *** this time of year.
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You don't pay a guy $10 million a year to be a safety.
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I dont see why Leon cant move to safety like a Charles Woodson or Ronde Barber. He basically plays a modified Safety/Corner role now.
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I don't see why people think we are loaded at CB.

Newman is aging. Pacman is a free agent and injury prone. Ghee has never really played. We don't know if Kirkpatrick will produce. Allen was a bust and only has 1 more year on his contract.

That's a lot of question marks!
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I found him 1st. he's the dude in the picture.
Ah, gotcha. Since it said Terez Owens, I thought it was some back up I never heard of.....edit: I just realized you mentioned that he was a starter but it was the name I didn't recognize that I noticed the most.

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Yes he does, it's his job tho, so what can ya do rt?

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Well, Hobs has the agenda of being on MBs payroll, therefore journalistic integrity is out the door with him as a matter of course. The members here have no such agenda so actually, our speculation at least has the potential to be objective and sometimes depending on the poster, rather accurate.
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Yeah, lets take our only legit CB and make him switch positions.

For the 5th time, no. Let's not start this thread AGAIN in 2 months.
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Yeah, lets take our only legit CB and make him switch positions.

For the 5th time, no. Let's not start this thread AGAIN in 2 months.
Dude, it seemed new to me, sorry I guess.

You know really, if one were inclined, they could cop that "omg, not this again" attitude with about 80 percent of the threads in dis joint.

You know what I do if a certain topic is tired or lame to me? I don't bother reading, let alone posting on it, but maybe that's just me.

Honestly, it seemed like a pretty novel concept and I thought there was some decent discussion about it.
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Why not try Lamur at safety? He played SS at KSU until his senior year. Not saying we should bank on Lamur at SS, but try him out there at least.

We could draft his former team mate, Arthur Brown to take over SAM. Move Burfict to Mike. We might still have Howard at Will, but why risk it? Take K. Greene, too.

Also, let's not forget we still have Iloka and Sands.
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Why not try Lamur at safety? He played SS at KSU until his senior year. Not saying we should bank on Lamur at SS, but try him out there at least.

We could draft his former team mate, Arthur Brown to take over SAM. Move Burfict to Mike. We might still have Howard at Will, but why risk it? Take K. Greene, too.

Also, let's not forget we still have Iloka and Sands.
Would move Hall but meh to all that. Get rid of iloka and sands. Backups at best.
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There's a couple moves I'd make... Hall would be a very good safety ...actually a better safety than CB and Taylor Mays should be tested at OLB position. Mays is a big fast guy that likes to hit and sitting back at safety making hits he does will continue getting flagged whether it's a clean hit or not because the hit will always look worse than it actually is due to his size.
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Agreed, especially when he is still in what I would consider to be his prime years at CB. It seems to me that most of the higher profile CBs that convert to S, do it on the tail end of their careers.
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I heard this notion has been submitted by Hobson apparently and I've noticed some discussion about it but didn't find a thread for it when I searched.

I know he's roughly the same size as Crocker but my first thought is that he's not stocky enough for SS. Crocker while only listed two pounds heavier certainly appears to be more naturally stout where as Hall is more of a lanky build. I think Hall is a willing and capable tackler but I don't see him at all as a SS you wanna stack the box with. Nelson seems to fit that position better from a strictly physical dimensions perspective. So I have to assume this move would include moving Nelson to SS in order for Hall to play FS cuz we know Nelson aint coming off the field.

If Nelson and Hall are our safeties, that sounds great, but then I have to assume we plan on starting Kirkpatrick who is essentially still going to be a rookie in terms of experience and a 1st rounder drafted this April. If we do draft a corner in the first that will pretty much tell me Hobson wasn't bluffing and Hall moving to safety is at least being strongly considered.

Do we think this will actually happen and if so, do we agree with such a move? What worries you more, screwing with Nelson's apparently rediscovered mojo by switching him to SS or starting what would basically be a rookie tandem at corner?

I love the sound of Hall at FS tbh, having a good corner in his prime on the field as your 3rd corner/center fielder has the potential to be very beneficial in handling the "chuck it all over the field" offenses we see these days.

But then again, isn't it a huge gamble? It seems to me that in this scenario we'd be banking on Hall transitioning to safety, probably on Nelson transitioning to SS from FS, and then betting that two corners with zero NFL starts heading into 2013 won't get us killed.

Idk, sounds like a bit much to me. Wouldn't it be easier/safer/more sound to just draft Elam or sign whatshisface the Bills released to shore up SS? You tell me.....The more I think about, if Hobson has submitted such a move is being considered, I'd probably put my money on it being a smoke screen Lewis is using to disguise his intentions of drafting a SS he has his eye on at 21. There's just too many variables in play that could back fire if they did go the "Hall to safety" route.
Dude, what are you talking about? Nobody has mentioned moving Hall to safety now. They were talking about much later in his career.

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Newman isn't some 23 year old CB. He's a free agent that may or may not be back. If he's back...who knows how he will play because he's about 33.

Wed literally need to sign another starting CB and maybe 2 if we did this.

Plus we have no idea if Kirkpatrick or Ghee can play.

Then there is Jason Allen who couldn't get on the field and has been a career 3rd CB and is considered a draft bust.

And the often injured Pacman who is a free agent and 1 incident away from a lifetime ban.
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