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Old 02-15-2013, 07:12 PM
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Probably Rodgers with a close 2nd of AP or Calvin.

And there is no defensive player in the league I would even consider for at least the top 5 players I would add.
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Nick Mangold.

Improves the pocket, improves the running game, and by extending drives via improving the run and pass, improves the defense.

Nice choice! Not many are willing to admit that offensive success hinges on blocking. Have a great OL, you have a great offense, no matter who you plug in at the skill positions.
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Nice choice! Not many are willing to admit that offensive success hinges on blocking. Have a great OL, you have a great offense, no matter who you plug in at the skill positions.
Tell that to the Jets.

On paper, their O-line looks pretty solid but man is their offense offensive.
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To explain my reasoning behind Miller, we desperately need a good 4-3 OLB, and one that could provide 15+ sacks on a yearly basis would be huge. Miller would bring a great pass rush to a legendary one. Team will be running the ball every play to save their quarterbacks!

AP is a good choice as well. Luck too.
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I would take Patrick Willis in a heartbeat.
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No limitations.
For me it would be a new owner. Since the question is "player", I'd take John Elway as a new owner.
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Easy : Brady to throw and Calvin Johnson to catch.
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Or maybe just Calvin Johnson

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Agreed. Dalton's rookie numbers were better than Luck's overall.
Luck threw for more yards.

but, Dalton had 4% better completion
20-13 TD/Int for Dalton to Luck's 23-18
80.4 Rat for Dalton and 76.5 Luck
the biggest for me is 10 fumbles for Luck and 5 lost to Dalton's 4 and 2 lost

Dalton didn't have the luxury of an offseason program.
Both took over teams with terrible records the season before. (Cin 4-12, Ind 2-14)

Luck is a good player, but I don't see him being the savior everyone thinks him to be right now.
Indy won a lot of games they shouldn't have this past season.
Luck threw the ball 111 more times than Dalton his rookie year, which explains the interception increase. 1int for every 35 attempts for Luck, 1int for every 40 attempts for 2011 Dalton. If Dalton attempted the same number of passes, he throws 16ints his rookie year.

Dalton didn't have an off-season program, you're right, but neither did any other team that year. Defenses as a whole suffered, which made it easier on offenses. That's why we saw, what, 4? QBs surpass 5k yards in 2011. Besides, that's not to say Luck didn't suffer extenuating circumstances either. Chuck Pagano, his HC, was diagnosed with Leukemia early in the season, which I'm sure took it's toll on the whole team mentally; making performance suffer.

Oh, and let's not forget Dalton has had the great luxury of a top 10 defense since he's been in the NFL; a very underrated part of a QBs overall performance. The Colt's defense ranked 21st in points allowed last year.

At this point, to me, it looks like Luck has the greater potential.
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Luck threw the ball 111 more times than Dalton his rookie year, which explains the interception increase. 1int for every 35 attempts for Luck, 1int for every 40 attempts for 2011 Dalton. If Dalton attempted the same number of passes, he throws 16ints his rookie year.
So Dalton still wins there. That's not even counting all the fumbles Luck had.

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Dalton didn't have an off-season program, you're right, but neither did any other team that year. Defenses as a whole suffered, which made it easier on offenses. That's why we saw, what, 4? QBs surpass 5k yards in 2011. Besides, that's not to say Luck didn't suffer extenuating circumstances either. Chuck Pagano, his HC, was diagnosed with Leukemia early in the season, which I'm sure took it's toll on the whole team mentally; making performance suffer.
Quite the contrary. Pagano's health issues served as an inspiration for that entire team. I'd say they played better because of it. Also, Arians did such a great job that he landed a HC job this year.


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Oh, and let's not forget Dalton has had the great luxury of a top 10 defense since he's been in the NFL; a very underrated part of a QBs overall performance. The Colt's defense ranked 21st in points allowed last year.
The Colt's defense gave up an average of 18.3 points in their 11 wins.

The defense that gets ripped so much is actually the reason they won so many games.

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At this point, to me, it looks like Luck has the greater potential.
We'll see. He has a bigger arm, that's about it IMO.
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We'll see. He has a bigger arm, that's about it IMO.
I know he's been compared to Manning because he was the first overall pick to the Colts, but I think he's going to be the best QB in the league eventually. He had nothing in his receivers except for Reggie Wayne (who was double covered all year) He made Ty Hilton look like a superstar.

Get Luck a toy like AJ Green, and you're looking at the next Brady/Moss season. His adjustments at the line are something rookies aren't supposed to be able to do. Not a runner like RGIII, but he also doesn't carry the injury risk.
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One thing that doesn't get mentioned enough with Dalton is how many of his interceptions hit our wr hands. That's why Sanu was an upgrade. He caught the ball reliably.
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I know he's been compared to Manning because he was the first overall pick to the Colts, but I think he's going to be the best QB in the league eventually. He had nothing in his receivers except for Reggie Wayne (who was double covered all year) He made Ty Hilton look like a superstar.

Get Luck a toy like AJ Green, and you're looking at the next Brady/Moss season. His adjustments at the line are something rookies aren't supposed to be able to do. Not a runner like RGIII, but he also doesn't carry the injury risk.
I do think that Luck has note potential...but Akili Smith had more physical potential than a guy like Drew Brees. Other factors matter.
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One thing that doesn't get mentioned enough with Dalton is how many of his interceptions hit our wr hands. That's why Sanu was an upgrade. He caught the ball reliably.
Yeah, Marvin Jones in particular had a few passes go off his hands and nearly intercepted. One of them got intercepted for sure. Dalton also lets the ball get away from him sometimes. He missed Hawkins a dozen times all season by the length of his fingers, which is why I think Sanu is a better fit at slot for us.
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Ok, I am a dumb dumb. Millz you got me, I was trying to kill the bug in your avatar.
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I know he's been compared to Manning because he was the first overall pick to the Colts, but I think he's going to be the best QB in the league eventually. He had nothing in his receivers except for Reggie Wayne (who was double covered all year) He made Ty Hilton look like a superstar.

Get Luck a toy like AJ Green, and you're looking at the next Brady/Moss season. His adjustments at the line are something rookies aren't supposed to be able to do. Not a runner like RGIII, but he also doesn't carry the injury risk.
You talk about Reggie Wayne like he's chopped liver. He's probably a future HOF'er.

Hilton and Donnie Avery are solid WR's. Luck didn't "make" them anything.

If I had to choose a set of WRs for one season, I'd choose Wayne, Hilton and Avery over Green, Binns and Hawkins all day.

3 good (one great) WR's > 1 phenomenal one.

You also ignored my point about the Colts' defense.
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If I had to choose a set of WRs for one season, I'd choose Wayne, Hilton and Avery over Green, Binns and Hawkins all day.
Dude, I'd choose me, you, and Green over Wayne (2012), Hilton, and Avery.
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I'd probably go with Earl Thomas or Brady. Brady to Green would be money all day. I'd also like to see what Brady could do with a player like Hawkins.
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You talk about Reggie Wayne like he's chopped liver. He's probably a future HOF'er.

Hilton and Donnie Avery are solid WR's. Luck didn't "make" them anything.

If I had to choose a set of WRs for one season, I'd choose Wayne, Hilton and Avery over Green, Binns and Hawkins all day.

3 good (one great) WR's > 1 phenomenal one.

You also ignored my point about the Colts' defense.
I didn't ignore anything. We're talking about Andrew Luck here, not the Indianapolis defense. Luck had a coach that was fighting cancer all season, a rookie OC, two rookie tight ends, a rookie running back, and a rookie wide receiver. He led 7 fourth quarter comebacks (tied for 1st in the NFL as a rookie, which admittedly, is helped by the defense, but still impressive.

Wayne had one of the better seasons of his career, Avery had his best season as a pro, and Hilton was in talks for OROY. Must have been a lucky year for them I guess. Certainly couldn't have been their quarterback that helped them achieve this. Luck took a 2-14 team to the playoffs, but you still think he's only a strong arm?

Look, you can discount his entire season by saying his defense was good, but I've watched him play enough to see for myself.

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[quote=ibengals;2810708]I didn't ignore anything. We're talking about Andrew Luck here, not the Indianapolis defense. Luck had a coach that was fighting cancer all season, a rookie OC, two rookie tight ends, a rookie running back, and a rookie wide receiver. He led 7 fourth quarter comebacks (tied for 1st in the NFL as a rookie, which admittedly, is helped by the defense, but still impressive.

Wayne had one of the better seasons of his career, Avery had his best season as a pro, and Hilton was in talks for OROY. Must have been a lucky year for them I guess. Certainly couldn't have been their quarterback that helped them achieve this. Luck took a 2-14 team to the playoffs, but you still think he's only a strong arm?

Look, you can discount his entire season by saying his defense was good, but I've watched him play enough to see for myself.[/QUOTE

]His defense wasn't as good as Daltons.
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Dude, I'd choose me, you, and Green over Wayne (2012), Hilton, and Avery.
2011 Wayne had 960 yards with random schlubs like Curtis Painter, Dan Orlovsky and 40 y.o. Kerry Collins throwing to him. He a great receiver. Period.

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I didn't ignore anything. We're talking about Andrew Luck here, not the Indianapolis defense. Luck had a coach that was fighting cancer all season, a rookie OC, two rookie tight ends, a rookie running back, and a rookie wide receiver. He led 7 fourth quarter comebacks (tied for 1st in the NFL as a rookie, which admittedly, is helped by the defense, but still impressive.

Wayne had one of the better seasons of his career, Avery had his best season as a pro, and Hilton was in talks for OROY. Must have been a lucky year for them I guess. Certainly couldn't have been their quarterback that helped them achieve this. Luck took a 2-14 team to the playoffs, but you still think he's only a strong arm?

Look, you can discount his entire season by saying his defense was good, but I've watched him play enough to see for myself.
I watched 4 games with Andrew Luck last year. He was good at hitting wide open receivers, but I don't think I ever saw him throw through a tight window with any accuracy. The Lions game I saw was a complete joke. The Lions gave the game away.

As for the performance of the WR's, that's more related to the sheer amount of times the Colts were chucking it up. People just love to give all the credit to the QB, but this was Wayne's 4th season with 100+ catches. Dude is a baller. Avery put up numbers very similar to what he did in St. Louis with Sam Bradford. Do you think he's elite too? And when was Hilton in discussion for ROY over Morris and Martin? Either way the QB gets all the cred. Ridiculous.

Jerome had a career high 725 yards with Dalton at the helm. Didn't see anyone giving Andy credit for that. Maybe it's because Andy wasn't a much-hyped #1 overall draft pick.
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I didn't ignore anything. We're talking about Andrew Luck here, not the Indianapolis defense. Luck had a coach that was fighting cancer all season, a rookie OC, two rookie tight ends, a rookie running back, and a rookie wide receiver. He led 7 fourth quarter comebacks (tied for 1st in the NFL as a rookie, which admittedly, is helped by the defense, but still impressive.

Wayne had one of the better seasons of his career, Avery had his best season as a pro, and Hilton was in talks for OROY. Must have been a lucky year for them I guess. Certainly couldn't have been their quarterback that helped them achieve this. Luck took a 2-14 team to the playoffs, but you still think he's only a strong arm?

Look, you can discount his entire season by saying his defense was good, but I've watched him play enough to see for myself.[/QUOTE

]His defense wasn't as good as Daltons.
Bruce Arians was a new OC but by no means a Rookie one.
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in the entire NFL right now, no questions, who would it be? No limitations. Could be Manning, Watt, Rodgers etc......


For me, it would be Von Miller.


For our team, Adrian Peterson would help us the most.
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Carson Palmer

Nah i'm going with Andrew Luck. He is young and if he had AJ, Gresh, and our defense plus a year or two under his belt he'd be best in the league imo
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