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Old 02-20-2013, 04:41 PM
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So when Andre Smith was first drafted he had a stellar hold out of 3 weeks I believe it was.
His agent is known to be a tough negotiator to the point of banging your head against the wall.

If Andre Smith has been humbled and really likes this team, perhaps he will reign in his agent. Something tells me his agent is going to encourage Smith to squeeze the Bengals for every dime and nickel they can.

While MJ has pointed out he would like to stay, Andre Smith has been quiet. I pray that Andre has been humbled and won't try to pull a stunt with his agent. Alas I fear that is coming. I'd rather Tag MJ and work on a longer term deal, then deal with Andre Smith and his agent.

Anthony Collins can come in and step up right to the plate. The Bengals signed him to a two year deal last year. I believe they were preparing themselves for Andre possible Departure. I've heard so many people on this forum say that Collins should start, that he is starter material.
I happen to be one of those.
I'd rather us Tag MJ work on a deal or perhaps see if his production falls off next year and try to get a lower price. (Rather not have another 1 year Antwan Odom inflation deal).
If Collins is heir apparent you don;t have to use a high draft pick on the O-line to replace Smith.
Also if Collins does play well we can sign him cheaper to a long term deal as opposed to Smith.
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Joseph said he wanted to stay too. Players go to the team that offers the most money. When they money is the same is when loyalty comes into play.

Andre Smith wasn't the 1st one of Mike Brown's draft picks to hold out...Just food for thought.
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Joseph said he wanted to stay too. Players go to the team that offers the most money. When they money is the same is when loyalty comes into play.

Andre Smith wasn't the 1st one of Mike Brown's draft picks to hold out...Just food for thought.
True.... But I still think agents come into play and we all know Andre Smith Agent from Hard Knocks. Mind you everything is skewed on TV so what do we know?

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So when Andre Smith was first drafted he had a stellar hold out of 3 weeks I believe it was.
His agent is known to be a tough negotiator to the point of banging your head against the wall.

If Andre Smith has been humbled and really likes this team, perhaps he will reign in his agent. Something tells me his agent is going to encourage Smith to squeeze the Bengals for every dime and nickel they can.

While MJ has pointed out he would like to stay, Andre Smith has been quiet. I pray that Andre has been humbled and won't try to pull a stunt with his agent. Alas I fear that is coming. I'd rather Tag MJ and work on a longer term deal, then deal with Andre Smith and his agent.

Anthony Collins can come in and step up right to the plate. The Bengals signed him to a two year deal last year. I believe they were preparing themselves for Andre possible Departure. I've heard so many people on this forum say that Collins should start, that he is starter material.
I happen to be one of those.
I'd rather us Tag MJ work on a deal or perhaps see if his production falls off next year and try to get a lower price. (Rather not have another 1 year Antwan Odom inflation deal).
If Collins is heir apparent you don;t have to use a high draft pick on the O-line to replace Smith.
Also if Collins does play well we can sign him cheaper to a long term deal as opposed to Smith.
Why should Andre be 'humbled' and why shouldn't he get as much money as possible? If the going rate for my services was 9 mil/yr, I'd want 9 mil. You want to pay me 7 mil? Bye

I have no clue if Collins could step in but if he's suddenly your new starter, you'd better spend a draft pick on a good back-up because the O-line depth just got paper thin.

The thing I remember most about Hard Knocks was Katie whining about how much money players want, apparently without realizing she was describing her daddy to a tee.
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If I'm not mistaken, Smith hired a new agent this season, which could actually point to him coming back. The relationship between the Bengals and his former agent wasn't great.
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Think the Bengals will ante up and sign both MJ and Andre without flinching.
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Why should Andre be 'humbled' and why shouldn't he get as much money as possible? If the going rate for my services was 9 mil/yr, I'd want 9 mil. You want to pay me 7 mil? Bye

I have no clue if Collins could step in but if he's suddenly your new starter, you'd better spend a draft pick on a good back-up because the O-line depth just got paper thin.

The thing I remember most about Hard Knocks was Katie whining about how much money players want, apparently without realizing she was describing her daddy to a tee.
Loyalty isnt a thing in the NFL unfortantely...

You mess up your combine and make a mess with your agent..

but we still took a shot.

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As much as it ***** when good players leave it is a business.

I never understood fans getting butthurt and taking it so personally over a guy taking more money somewhere else.

While I do not want to lose these guys I do not blame either if they choose to chase a bigger contract.

I just do not understand where some fans act like these guys really "owe" us anything.
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Why should Andre be 'humbled' and why shouldn't he get as much money as possible? If the going rate for my services was 9 mil/yr, I'd want 9 mil. You want to pay me 7 mil? Bye

I have no clue if Collins could step in but if he's suddenly your new starter, you'd better spend a draft pick on a good back-up because the O-line depth just got paper thin.

The thing I remember most about Hard Knocks was Katie whining about how much money players want, apparently without realizing she was describing her daddy to a tee.
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So when Andre Smith was first drafted he had a stellar hold out of 3 weeks I believe it was.
His agent is known to be a tough negotiator to the point of banging your head against the wall.

If Andre Smith has been humbled and really likes this team, perhaps he will reign in his agent. Something tells me his agent is going to encourage Smith to squeeze the Bengals for every dime and nickel they can.

While MJ has pointed out he would like to stay, Andre Smith has been quiet. I pray that Andre has been humbled and won't try to pull a stunt with his agent. Alas I fear that is coming. I'd rather Tag MJ and work on a longer term deal, then deal with Andre Smith and his agent.

Anthony Collins can come in and step up right to the plate. The Bengals signed him to a two year deal last year. I believe they were preparing themselves for Andre possible Departure. I've heard so many people on this forum say that Collins should start, that he is starter material.
I happen to be one of those.
I'd rather us Tag MJ work on a deal or perhaps see if his production falls off next year and try to get a lower price. (Rather not have another 1 year Antwan Odom inflation deal).
If Collins is heir apparent you don;t have to use a high draft pick on the O-line to replace Smith.
Also if Collins does play well we can sign him cheaper to a long term deal as opposed to Smith.
I could care less which one of them is signed long term as long as one of them is signed so we can franchise tag the other so we would have more time to get them signed long term. We would also be guaranteed to have both on the roster in 2013.
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but we still took a shot.

You missed most of the first 2 years

but we stuck by you.

You played well the next two years..

Now we will pay you.
When has loyalty ever been a thing in the NFL? Can't play at a high level any longer? Time to move on with your life's work, where's your play book?

The Bengals took a shot a the player they thought could help them the most, they didn't do anything out of the goodness of their heart. If anything, maybe the team should've been less concerned with winning the negotiation and maybe Smith's first two years aren't a waste. Maybe the team picks up his option and we're not talking about him being a free agent now.

If the Bengals would've cut him after his second season, he would have been without a team for about 10 seconds before somebody else took a shot on him.
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Andre owes the bengals nothing. The bengals are the ones who chose to draft his rights and sign him to a particular deal. He signed a deal with them. He fulfilled his contract. The bengals had the choice to extend his contract by two years and they declined to do so. Now Andre has his choice of where he wants to play and is free to explore his options. If they wanted to get more out of him, they should have extended him.

I thought it was a big mistake no to extend his contract at the time. But hey, it's their choice.
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Andre owes the bengals nothing. The bengals are the ones who chose to draft his rights and sign him to a particular deal. He signed a deal with them. He fulfilled his contract. The bengals had the choice to extend his contract by two years and they declined to do so. Now Andre has his choice of where he wants to play and is free to explore his options. If they wanted to get more out of him, they should have extended him.

I thought it was a big mistake no to extend his contract at the time. But hey, it's their choice.
I agree. We have done Andre no favors. We drafted him, then demanded he meet numerous milestones before we would pay him. When the time came to extend him we said no. If I were Andre and another team offered me a nickle more, I'd walk.
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I could care less which one of them is signed long term as long as one of them is signed so we can franchise tag the other so we would have more time to get them signed long term. We would also be guaranteed to have both on the roster in 2013.
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if Andre is tagged he would be paid that "average of the top 5 in his position" calculation. This was re-designed since the rookie wage scale and is a little less than that number from previous years. My uneducated guess is that a RT would be less money in this situation than a DE, as that is often the highest paid position on the defense. A LT would be higher, no doubt.

It kind of makes sense to tag Andre anyway. MJ has a higher "ceiling" as he becomes even bigger and stronger. It seems Andre needs constant prodding to reach what he already is.
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I agree. We have done Andre no favors. We drafted him, then demanded he meet numerous milestones before we would pay him. When the time came to extend him we said no. If I were Andre and another team offered me a nickle more, I'd walk.
And that's why I would tag him over MJ. If I were MJs people, I would want to sign BEFORE Andre as that would place the tag squarely on Andre's head.

And as far as doing Andre no favors, he should look in the mirror and realize it was his own failures that cost him millions. The Bengals made a smart business decision. Only when Andre was faced with not making the kind of money he was slotted for did he start to work.
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And that's why I would tag him over MJ. If I were MJs people, I would want to sign BEFORE Andre as that would place the tag squarely on Andre's head.

And as far as doing Andre no favors, he should look in the mirror and realize it was his own failures that cost him millions. The Bengals made a smart business decision. Only when Andre was faced with not making the kind of money he was slotted for did he start to work.
It's not all Smith's fault and the Bengals made a semi-smart business decision. Supposedly, the Bengals offered Smith LESS than DHB got with Oakland; if I'm Smith, I don't sign that deal either. The Bengals could've negotiated in good faith sooner, put all the weight incentives in the contract and probably gotten Smith in camp and into game shape sooner. Then maybe his first two years aren't lost and they don't have to worry about re-signing him now.
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I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if Andre is tagged he would be paid that "average of the top 5 in his position" calculation. This was re-designed since the rookie wage scale and is a little less than that number from previous years. My uneducated guess is that a RT would be less money in this situation than a DE, as that is often the highest paid position on the defense. A LT would be higher, no doubt.

It kind of makes sense to tag Andre anyway. MJ has a higher "ceiling" as he becomes even bigger and stronger. It seems Andre needs constant prodding to reach what he already is.
Yeah I seen it the other day, I don't remember the exact numbers but I know OL is somewhere around 9.5 mill and IIRC DE tag number was something like a million more.

Ideally if it were me I'd do everything possible to re-sign MJ quickly, but according to NFL AM this morning it doesn't sound like those negotiations are going smooth/quick just yet. But after signing MJ then I franchise Andre and quite frankly I wouldn't re-sign him to a LTC unless he took what I wanted to offer. Essentially I would make him show me he has truly turned a corner with his commitment to staying in shape by playing out the tag for a season. If he chooses to sit the season my guess is he will not garner as much attention for multiple reasons at that point. Plus it gives the Bengals one more season to prepare for his absence. Some will call that underhanded but frankly IMO he just isn't trustworthy to sign to a LTC at this juncture. If he can maintain this conditioning for another season maybe I change my mind about him.

If I can't re-sign MJ quickly well then I make other arrangements (like drafting Andre's replacement), my guess is Andre is a goner because I doubt the Bengals pay him like another team will because they know his commitment to conditioning isn't up to snuff. If Andre Smith gets a big bag of guaranteed money this offseason he will be diving headfirst into that big bag of donuts real soon thereafter, JMO. Andre will be looking for the most money he can possibly get, agent or no agent.
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Did Andre have a weight or effort problem at Alabama? I'm thinking he probably didn't since he was a top 10 pick.
If not, people continuously harping on Smith's rookie year as the resason not to trust him are being kinda petty.

He was extremely late to camp due to a contact negotiation that took way too long, and that was mainly the Bengals fault since they offered less money than a guy that was drafted after him.

Give the guy a break already. He's played hard the last2 seasons, and was doing well in 2010 until he broke his foot again., which was really no fault of his own either.
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When has loyalty ever been a thing in the NFL? Can't play at a high level any longer? Time to move on with your life's work, where's your play book?

The Bengals took a shot a the player they thought could help them the most, they didn't do anything out of the goodness of their heart. If anything, maybe the team should've been less concerned with winning the negotiation and maybe Smith's first two years aren't a waste. Maybe the team picks up his option and we're not talking about him being a free agent now.

If the Bengals would've cut him after his second season, he would have been without a team for about 10 seconds before somebody else took a shot on him.
After his first 2 years NO WAY do you pick up the option...
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After his first 2 years NO WAY do you pick up the option...
I agree. What I'm saying is if the team had done things differently, maybe Smith gets into camp earlier, gets/stays in shape and those first two years aren't essentially a loss. If that had happened, they pick up the option and we're not freaking out over losing him and/or Johnson.

What's done is done but I don't get blaming Smith 100% for those first two years and I don't think he owes the Bengals anything.
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Did Andre have a weight or effort problem at Alabama? I'm thinking he probably didn't since he was a top 10 pick.
If not, people continuously harping on Smith's rookie year as the resason not to trust him are being kinda petty.

He was extremely late to camp due to a contact negotiation that took way too long, and that was mainly the Bengals fault since they offered less money than a guy that was drafted after him.

Give the guy a break already. He's played hard the last2 seasons, and was doing well in 2010 until he broke his foot again., which was really no fault of his own either.
I assume you are referring to my post so I'll answer. I don't trust Andre due to the fact he had 4 years to prove to the world that the lack of conditioning knock he had coming into his draft was behind him. I'm not being petty I just don't trust a guy who couldn't manage more than one full season out of 4 and the one he did play out just so happened to lead right into his FA year. Seen it way too many times in the NFL not to recognize it and speak on it when I do. I got nothing against Andre Smith the person but I think sinking a big long term contract into him is a poor decision, just as I thought drafting him in the 1st place was, I saw this issue coming then.
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In general, if a team is winning and has the potential to go further and a guy is doing well in that system, he isn't going to want to go somewhere else and learn a new system and have to move and what not. That said, any team trying to woo him with millions of dollars will also try and sweet talk him a bit. I don't think Andre would go to a team that wasn't winning and didn't look like it could win in the future though.

Also, the fact that Andre has been doing well in recent years tells me he has bought in to our system and cares about his career.
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It's not all Smith's fault and the Bengals made a semi-smart business decision. Supposedly, the Bengals offered Smith LESS than DHB got with Oakland; if I'm Smith, I don't sign that deal either. The Bengals could've negotiated in good faith sooner, put all the weight incentives in the contract and probably gotten Smith in camp and into game shape sooner. Then maybe his first two years aren't lost and they don't have to worry about re-signing him now.
I disagree. The Bengals were paying Smith to be a RT, not a WR. Whether you or Andre like it or not, folks do get paid differently in different positions and the slotting system isn't always going to be in a straight line as far as guaranteed money. Andre's former agent knew exactly what he was doing, using the media against the cheap ol' bengals, and the Bengals didn't budge. The money the settled on would have paid him extremely well if he would simply be in shape and be able to play....which go hand in hand. Smith has no one but himself to blame.

The fact that the Bengals had a backup plan in Collins was just good business.
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Yeah I seen it the other day, I don't remember the exact numbers but I know OL is somewhere around 9.5 mill and IIRC DE tag number was something like a million more.

Ideally if it were me I'd do everything possible to re-sign MJ quickly, but according to NFL AM this morning it doesn't sound like those negotiations are going smooth/quick just yet. But after signing MJ then I franchise Andre and quite frankly I wouldn't re-sign him to a LTC unless he took what I wanted to offer. Essentially I would make him show me he has truly turned a corner with his commitment to staying in shape by playing out the tag for a season. If he chooses to sit the season my guess is he will not garner as much attention for multiple reasons at that point. Plus it gives the Bengals one more season to prepare for his absence. Some will call that underhanded but frankly IMO he just isn't trustworthy to sign to a LTC at this juncture. If he can maintain this conditioning for another season maybe I change my mind about him.

If I can't re-sign MJ quickly well then I make other arrangements (like drafting Andre's replacement), my guess is Andre is a goner because I doubt the Bengals pay him like another team will because they know his commitment to conditioning isn't up to snuff. If Andre Smith gets a big bag of guaranteed money this offseason he will be diving headfirst into that big bag of donuts real soon thereafter, JMO. Andre will be looking for the most money he can possibly get, agent or no agent.
Agreed. I hope MJ gets a long term deal, but it has to allow Dunlap and Geno to have room for deals as well. Andre should get the tag if needed, and I would never give him a ltc with a ton of upfront for the reasons you stated. He did impress me after the first two years, but I would fear a regression if he isn't motivated.
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