Mohammed Sanu and Anquan Boldin

[bradfritz21]

Originally Posted by TheLeonardLeap

I'm sorry, but this thread cracks me up a little bit. Simply because there's some people talking about Sanu like how he plays, all his game strengths, and all his game weaknesses are already clearly obvious..... the guy played 9 games, and had 16 catches. Maybe for some people that's enough to tell me how explosive, athletic, acrobatic he is, how his hands are, how his routes are... and all this other information being put out there.

But for me, I just see a rookie who had 9 games, 16 catches for under 10 yards a catch. How is that enough to decide or know anything about the guy? To me it's like the people who said the Bengals should trade Gresham and let Orson Charles start because he's more athletic, runs better routes, so on, so forth..... after he had a whopping 8 catches for 101 yards in 16 games.

I get it, Sanu caught 4 TDs in 9 games... but he finished with 16 catches, 154 yards as a third round pick.

Then you say he got hurt... but then I say his 9 games translate to a full season of 28 catches, 274 yards, 7 TDs.

Then you say "But he only started catching passes week 7-12..." which is a bit like cherry picking, but regardless I will say that even with cherry picking his productive games, that still only projects out to be a full season of 51 catches, 493 yards, 13 TDs.. which means even projecting the cherry picked games, it'd mean he was a good red zone WR, and pretty crap between the 20's.

9 games, 16 catches, 154 yards, 4 TDs is simply not enough to declare this guy Anquan Boldin (or anyone else good for that matter)... or ready to be the starting #2 and actually be a good one. At least that's my opinion on the matter.

TDs aside, his 16/154 in 9 games is a vastly more similar pace to Andre Caldwell his rookie season than Anquan Boldin. (projected 28/274 vs 25/178).... which simply isn't getting it done as proper help to take all the attention off of AJ Green.

Um............. it's this thing called college. It's a secondary education thing after high school. Most colleges or universities have sports programs where students play. All of the big schools are covered by this thing called the "media" and they tape, report, and analyze all of the players, schools, and games. If you couldn't watch any of the games, some people take things from this "media" and put them on another thing called the "internet" where people can view them on these things called "websites."

That's how I know anything more than I've seen Sanu do for the Bengals, but I don't know about anybody else.

[TheLeonardLeap]

Originally Posted by bradfritz21

Um............. it's this thing called college. It's a secondary education thing after high school. Most colleges or universities have sports programs where students play. All of the big schools are covered by this thing called the "media" and they tape, report, and analyze all of the players, schools, and games. If you couldn't watch any of the games, some people take things from this "media" and put them on another thing called the "internet" where people can view them on these things called "websites."

That's how I know anything more than I've seen Sanu do for the Bengals, but I don't know about anybody else.

Because playing against doctors and lawyers has shown how talented everyone is.. and everyone who was good in college is good in the NFL, right? No busts ever? Nobody who fails to live up to their talent? Of course not.. because it's not like every single person who ever gets drafted in the NFL was a super athletic and talented college player. That's why Chase Coffman is already an NFL Hall of Famer, right? And Maualuga, Simpson, Mays, Rivers, and every other Bengals player of past and present who were EXTREMELY talented in college, turned out to be great pros, right? No busts in the NFL draft ever.

See? I can do the sarcasm too.

College doesn't mean anything, otherwise Tebow would already have 3 Super Bowls. I am sorry, but until you see a player get meaningful playing time matched up against NFL quality teams, in real NFL games, there's no way to know for certain how they might produce. But thanks for choosing to make fun of me about college, media, and internet.... rather than address the serious statistical facts I pointed out.

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by TheLeonardLeap

which means even projecting the cherry picked games, it'd mean he was a good red zone WR, and pretty crap between the 20's.

Some of us can judge a player more on watching him than on just the numbers.

But I wouldn't expect that level of analysis from someone who thinks that it somehow gets EASIER for some receiver to get open in the red zone where the defense has a huge advantage than between the 20's where the defenders have to spread out and cover so much more area..

[fozzie11]

Originally Posted by TheLeonardLeap

Because playing against doctors and lawyers has shown how talented everyone is.. and everyone who was good in college is good in the NFL, right? No busts ever? Nobody who fails to live up to their talent? Of course not.. because it's not like every single person who ever gets drafted in the NFL was a super athletic and talented college player. That's why Chase Coffman is already an NFL Hall of Famer, right? And Maualuga, Simpson, Mays, Rivers, and every other Bengals player of past and present who were EXTREMELY talented in college, turned out to be great pros, right? No busts in the NFL draft ever.

See? I can do the sarcasm too.

College doesn't mean anything, otherwise Tebow would already have 3 Super Bowls. I am sorry, but until you see a player get meaningful playing time matched up against NFL quality teams, in real NFL games, there's no way to know for certain how they might produce. But thanks for choosing to make fun of me about college, media, and internet.... rather than address the serious statistical facts I pointed out.

I really don't think anyone is saying he is as good as Boldin they are just comparing the skill-sets they have seen from both players to be similar... there is this thing called POTENTIAL and what Sanu has is POTENTIAL whether he lives up to it or not has yet to be seen.

[DWright]

Originally Posted by TheLeonardLeap

I'm sorry, but this thread cracks me up a little bit. Simply because there's some people talking about Sanu like how he plays, all his game strengths, and all his game weaknesses are already clearly obvious..... the guy played 9 games, and had 16 catches. Maybe for some people that's enough to tell me how explosive, athletic, acrobatic he is, how his hands are, how his routes are... and all this other information being put out there.

But for me, I just see a rookie who had 9 games, 16 catches for under 10 yards a catch. How is that enough to decide or know anything about the guy? To me it's like the people who said the Bengals should trade Gresham and let Orson Charles start because he's more athletic, runs better routes, so on, so forth..... after he had a whopping 8 catches for 101 yards in 16 games.

I get it, Sanu caught 4 TDs in 9 games... but he finished with 16 catches, 154 yards as a third round pick.

Then you say he got hurt... but then I say his 9 games translate to a full season of 28 catches, 274 yards, 7 TDs.

Then you say "But he only started catching passes week 7-12..." which is a bit like cherry picking, but regardless I will say that even with cherry picking his productive games, that still only projects out to be a full season of 51 catches, 493 yards, 13 TDs.. which means even projecting the cherry picked games, it'd mean he was a good red zone WR, and pretty crap between the 20's.

9 games, 16 catches, 154 yards, 4 TDs is simply not enough to declare this guy Anquan Boldin (or anyone else good for that matter)... or ready to be the starting #2 and actually be a good one. At least that's my opinion on the matter.

TDs aside, his 16/154 in 9 games is a vastly more similar pace to Andre Caldwell his rookie season than Anquan Boldin. (projected 28/274 vs 25/178).... which simply isn't getting it done as proper help to take all the attention off of AJ Green.

Sanu played in the offense during 6 games. One of those games he had one play at QB not even WR so that means he played WR in 5 games.

He came in during the second half of the first Pittsburg game and had 3 catches on 3 targets and one run for a first down. He then proceeded to start the next 4 games before the injury he had 13 catches and I believe 4 runs (we are not talking about end arounds either pure split back runs) and 4 TD's. Including not one but two one handed catches.

[bonesaw]

Originally Posted by TheLeonardLeap

Because playing against doctors and lawyers has shown how talented everyone is.. and everyone who was good in college is good in the NFL, right? No busts ever? Nobody who fails to live up to their talent? Of course not.. because it's not like every single person who ever gets drafted in the NFL was a super athletic and talented college player. That's why Chase Coffman is already an NFL Hall of Famer, right? And Maualuga, Simpson, Mays, Rivers, and every other Bengals player of past and present who were EXTREMELY talented in college, turned out to be great pros, right? No busts in the NFL draft ever.

See? I can do the sarcasm too.

College doesn't mean anything, otherwise Tebow would already have 3 Super Bowls. I am sorry, but until you see a player get meaningful playing time matched up against NFL quality teams, in real NFL games, there's no way to know for certain how they might produce. But thanks for choosing to make fun of me about college, media, and internet.... rather than address the serious statistical facts I pointed out.

Speculating on how a player is going to do on a football message board. Stop the madness! What do you want to talk about?

[bradfritz21]

Originally Posted by TheLeonardLeap

Because playing against doctors and lawyers has shown how talented everyone is.. and everyone who was good in college is good in the NFL, right? No busts ever? Nobody who fails to live up to their talent? Of course not.. because it's not like every single person who ever gets drafted in the NFL was a super athletic and talented college player. That's why Chase Coffman is already an NFL Hall of Famer, right? And Maualuga, Simpson, Mays, Rivers, and every other Bengals player of past and present who were EXTREMELY talented in college, turned out to be great pros, right? No busts in the NFL draft ever.

See? I can do the sarcasm too.

College doesn't mean anything, otherwise Tebow would already have 3 Super Bowls. I am sorry, but until you see a player get meaningful playing time matched up against NFL quality teams, in real NFL games, there's no way to know for certain how they might produce. But thanks for choosing to make fun of me about college, media, and internet.... rather than address the serious statistical facts I pointed out.

Your claim was about his athletic ability, how explosive he is, how acrobatic he is, how his hands are, and how is routes are, which I pointed out how he has all of those things, which I backed up with game film from the NFL and tape of college to back it up, so that proves that he has all of those things.

Jerome Simpson was coming around nicely, but he was sort of a project player from a small school, which our organization isn't the best at developing players, so obviously he wasn't going to succeed here when he was just starting.

Tebow has been exactly what everyone thought, and that's that he's not a pocket passer (made a few good throws from the pocker), and he's more of just a gadget player, which is why he's not exactly flourishing in the NFL.

Keith Rivers was doing alright until he got injured.

Every team saw something in Maualuga that they didn't like, but we took a chance on him and he flopped.

Point is that Sanu has shown all the things needed to be an NFL receiver, especially the things that you listed.

You should work on the sarcasm thing.

[McC]

Originally Posted by TheLeonardLeap

I'm sorry, but this thread cracks me up a little bit. Simply because there's some people talking about Sanu like how he plays, all his game strengths, and all his game weaknesses are already clearly obvious..... the guy played 9 games, and had 16 catches. Maybe for some people that's enough to tell me how explosive, athletic, acrobatic he is, how his hands are, how his routes are... and all this other information being put out there.

But for me, I just see a rookie who had 9 games, 16 catches for under 10 yards a catch. How is that enough to decide or know anything about the guy? To me it's like the people who said the Bengals should trade Gresham and let Orson Charles start because he's more athletic, runs better routes, so on, so forth..... after he had a whopping 8 catches for 101 yards in 16 games.

I get it, Sanu caught 4 TDs in 9 games... but he finished with 16 catches, 154 yards as a third round pick.

Then you say he got hurt... but then I say his 9 games translate to a full season of 28 catches, 274 yards, 7 TDs.

Then you say "But he only started catching passes week 7-12..." which is a bit like cherry picking, but regardless I will say that even with cherry picking his productive games, that still only projects out to be a full season of 51 catches, 493 yards, 13 TDs.. which means even projecting the cherry picked games, it'd mean he was a good red zone WR, and pretty crap between the 20's.

9 games, 16 catches, 154 yards, 4 TDs is simply not enough to declare this guy Anquan Boldin (or anyone else good for that matter)... or ready to be the starting #2 and actually be a good one. At least that's my opinion on the matter.

TDs aside, his 16/154 in 9 games is a vastly more similar pace to Andre Caldwell his rookie season than Anquan Boldin. (projected 28/274 vs 25/178).... which simply isn't getting it done as proper help to take all the attention off of AJ Green.

You're not seeing the forest for the trees by focusing only on the numbers. It's way more about the skills he possesses than the number of catches.

He looks like a perfect slot receiver but you can move him around too. He threw a TD pass and ran for a couple first downs out of the backfield. Jay was at his most creative with Sanu.

He is strong to the ball and catches well in traffic. Nobody ever said he was the second coming of Jerry Rice, just that he showed promise which was easy to see. He's a player and it didn't take long to see it.

He's not in charge of how many opportunities he got. He is in charge fo making the most of his chances and he did that.

He doesn't change the need for a WR2 but he brings plenty to the offense.

[Sham69Rock]

Originally Posted by McC

You're not seeing the forest for the trees by focusing only on the numbers. It's way more about the skills he possesses than the number of catches.

He looks like a perfect slot receiver but you can move him around too. He threw a TD pass and ran for a couple first downs out of the backfield. Jay was at his most creative with Sanu.

He is strong to the ball and catches well in traffic. Nobody ever said he was the second coming of Jerry Rice, just that he showed promise which was easy to see. He's a player and it didn't take long to see it.

He's not in charge of how many opportunities he got. He is in charge fo making the most of his chances and he did that.

He doesn't change the need for a WR2 but he brings plenty to the offense.

Looks to be our slot WR for the next 1/2 dozen years, & 1 helluva slot guy, if he stays healthy. I also agree that he doesn't change the need for a WR2 in any way/shape/form. Good post.

[ZeGerman]

Originally Posted by TGISunday

He, like many successful receivers, was a college qb I believe.

Kind of. He was FSU's #1 WR, but the 3rd string QB. You may remember him as a QB because in his last bowl game both of FSU's top 2 QBs went down and he moved from WR to play QB in the 2nd half. Actually almost led the Noles back from a large deficit but came up just short, if I remember correctly. Regardless definitely a football player with a lot of talent

[finso]

Originally Posted by bengals85

I look at a guy like Mohammed Sanu and hope that he can become the player of a Anquan Boldin. Both receivers stand 6'2 weighing around 220 lbs. flacco had the same trust in Boldin as Dalton had with Sanu before is injury. Lets just hope Sanu can stay healthy next year and become the player we expect to see.

After seeing what Sanu brought to the table in limited playing time, I think he can be a very good WR. I think he can be that true, "legit" #2 everyone wants.

[Anderson_fan1988]

Originally Posted by TheLeonardLeap

I'm sorry, but this thread cracks me up a little bit. Simply because there's some people talking about Sanu like how he plays, all his game strengths, and all his game weaknesses are already clearly obvious..... the guy played 9 games, and had 16 catches. Maybe for some people that's enough to tell me how explosive, athletic, acrobatic he is, how his hands are, how his routes are... and all this other information being put out there.

But for me, I just see a rookie who had 9 games, 16 catches for under 10 yards a catch. How is that enough to decide or know anything about the guy? To me it's like the people who said the Bengals should trade Gresham and let Orson Charles start because he's more athletic, runs better routes, so on, so forth..... after he had a whopping 8 catches for 101 yards in 16 games.

I get it, Sanu caught 4 TDs in 9 games... but he finished with 16 catches, 154 yards as a third round pick.

Then you say he got hurt... but then I say his 9 games translate to a full season of 28 catches, 274 yards, 7 TDs.

Then you say "But he only started catching passes week 7-12..." which is a bit like cherry picking, but regardless I will say that even with cherry picking his productive games, that still only projects out to be a full season of 51 catches, 493 yards, 13 TDs.. which means even projecting the cherry picked games, it'd mean he was a good red zone WR, and pretty crap between the 20's.

9 games, 16 catches, 154 yards, 4 TDs is simply not enough to declare this guy Anquan Boldin (or anyone else good for that matter)... or ready to be the starting #2 and actually be a good one. At least that's my opinion on the matter.

TDs aside, his 16/154 in 9 games is a vastly more similar pace to Andre Caldwell his rookie season than Anquan Boldin. (projected 28/274 vs 25/178).... which simply isn't getting it done as proper help to take all the attention off of AJ Green.

And how many of those 16 catches were third down conversions? Or kept Dalton in a groove? Took any pressure off Green? Touchdowns? The stats might not have been very high, but he helped keep drives alive. Also made some pretty sick catches too.